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Post by Morgana on May 14, 2019 10:16:21 GMT
Someone pointed out on Twitter that Varys was trying to get the little girl to poison Dany. Kinda a lame attempt given his level of experience, and it didn't seem like he was trying very hard. Also, the scene was so vague I think most people didn't pick up on it, so shame on the writers. I know I didn't pick up on that. It was a shock to me when Tyrion ratted on Varys, though if he found out about the poison it would make more sense. I'm still hating Tyrion though - how hypocritical of him to report on Varys yet he himself betrayed Dany by letting Jamie go.
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Post by Morgana on May 14, 2019 10:17:54 GMT
So did Dany know Varys was trying to poison her? Or did she execute him only because he was pushing for Jon to take the Iron Throne. Treason Yes, but Tyrion should be burned next because he also committed it. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 10:22:22 GMT
Yes, but Tyrion should be burned next because he also committed it. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. Yeah, break the pot! (silly historical reference below) 
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Post by Morgana on May 14, 2019 10:26:58 GMT
Yes, but Tyrion should be burned next because he also committed it. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. Yeah, break the pot! (silly historical reference below) I don't get the reference - did you get mine?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 10:33:03 GMT
Yeah, break the pot! (silly historical reference below) I don't get the reference - did you get mine? Making the pot charcoal black? Breaking the pot is Daenerys' poor replacement for the wheel. The reference was to the old Vase of Soissons legend in which old frank king Clovis I breaks a soldier's head in retaliation for that soldier breaking the vase he dared deny his king. It does not fit the treason situation, that's why I call it silly.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 10:42:09 GMT
Yes, but Tyrion should be burned next because he also committed it. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. I’m not sure why he wouldn’t. A large point of this episode is giving into what is our nature or not being able to let go. Varys has to try and depose Dany and Tyrion has to look out for his family, even Cersei. Their ideal are worth dying for in their head. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 14, 2019 12:42:56 GMT
He may have been poisoning her all all along it the girl may poison her later. Varys’ numerous abilities were underutilized in the show though. Theory: Varys slowly poisoning Daenerys is the reason she went mad. This is going to be popular with Danidiots. LOL Leo yep anything to excuse danosaurs actions , seems varys had the most balls ( no pun intended) after all to stand up and say something , too bad tyrion betrayed his own good old friend but his time is coming , varys didnt deserve this .
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Post by Morgana on May 14, 2019 13:02:24 GMT
I don't get the reference - did you get mine? Making the pot charcoal black? Breaking the pot is Daenerys' poor replacement for the wheel. The reference was to the old Vase of Soissons legend in which old frank king Clovis I breaks a soldier's head in retaliation for that soldier breaking the vase he dared deny his king. It does not fit the treason situation, that's why I call it silly.
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Post by pk9 on May 14, 2019 18:08:16 GMT
Someone pointed out on Twitter that Varys was trying to get the little girl to poison Dany. Kinda a lame attempt given his level of experience, and it didn't seem like he was trying very hard. Also, the scene was so vague I think most people didn't pick up on it, so shame on the writers. I’ll be damned. I never would have picked up on that from that scene. It was a very vague scene. Well, there's more than one interpretation. The innocuous one was that he was just having the girl spy on Dany and/or try to get her to eat (hence his reporting of her food habits to Jon). Even if he was trying to "poison" her, it might not have been an assassination attempt. Maybe he was trying to slip her Milk of the Poppy or something that would just make her ill so she would have to delay the attack. I doubt we'll ever find out though. If he was trying to kill her, it makes his whole "I hope I deserve this punishment" line ridiculous, because attempted regicide is always deserving of a death sentence from the monarch you are trying to kill.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 21:06:51 GMT
I’ll be damned. I never would have picked up on that from that scene. It was a very vague scene. Well, there's more than one interpretation. The innocuous one was that he was just having the girl spy on Dany and/or try to get her to eat (hence his reporting of her food habits to Jon). Even if he was trying to "poison" her, it might not have been an assassination attempt. Maybe he was trying to slip her Milk of the Poppy or something that would just make her ill so she would have to delay the attack. I doubt we'll ever find out though. If he was trying to kill her, it makes his whole "I hope I deserve this punishment" line ridiculous, because attempted regicide is always deserving of a death sentence from the monarch you are trying to kill. That is definitely another option After all he knew her father and perhaps was he knew the signs.. |
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Post by pk9 on May 15, 2019 14:53:40 GMT
Well, there's more than one interpretation. The innocuous one was that he was just having the girl spy on Dany and/or try to get her to eat (hence his reporting of her food habits to Jon). Even if he was trying to "poison" her, it might not have been an assassination attempt. Maybe he was trying to slip her Milk of the Poppy or something that would just make her ill so she would have to delay the attack. I doubt we'll ever find out though. If he was trying to kill her, it makes his whole "I hope I deserve this punishment" line ridiculous, because attempted regicide is always deserving of a death sentence from the monarch you are trying to kill. athats definitely another option After all he knew her father and perhaps was he king the signs.. Now that I think about it more, if the writers did have Varys trying to kill her, i think they should have made it more explicit during the execution scene. Imagine something like this: Varys says his whole "I hope I deserve this" line, and then Dany is like "Oh yes, you definitely deserve it..." (brings out the little girl to stand next to Varys)... "you tried to have me poisoned AGAIN."... and then she burns them BOTH alive. This would demonstrate her ruthlessness and also show her state of mind that she's not above killing children if she thinks they have wronged her. I don't know if Davos was there, but his reaction to seeing a little girl burn alive would definitely be worth exploring as well.
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Post by hi224 on May 15, 2019 15:22:02 GMT
athats definitely another option After all he knew her father and perhaps was he king the signs.. Now that I think about it more, if the writers did have Varys trying to kill her, i think they should have made it more explicit during the execution scene. Imagine something like this: Varys says his whole "I hope I deserve this" line, and then Dany is like "Oh yes, you definitely deserve it..." (brings out the little girl to stand next to Varys)... "you tried to have me poisoned AGAIN."... and then she burns them BOTH alive. This would demonstrate her ruthlessness and also show her state of mind that she's not above killing children if she thinks they have wronged her. I don't know if Davos was there, but his reaction to seeing a little girl burn alive would definitely be worth exploring as well. Interesting but a bit heavy handed as well. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 15, 2019 16:43:40 GMT
Now that I think about it more, if the writers did have Varys trying to kill her, i think they should have made it more explicit during the execution scene. Imagine something like this: Varys says his whole "I hope I deserve this" line, and then Dany is like "Oh yes, you definitely deserve it..." (brings out the little girl to stand next to Varys)... "you tried to have me poisoned AGAIN."... and then she burns them BOTH alive. This would demonstrate her ruthlessness and also show her state of mind that she's not above killing children if she thinks they have wronged her. I don't know if Davos was there, but his reaction to seeing a little girl burn alive would definitely be worth exploring as well. Interesting but a bit heavy handed as well. not only that you would have to assume Dany was evil/crazy the whole time. She was pretty disinterested in the execution. |
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Post by pk9 on May 16, 2019 19:41:23 GMT
Interesting but a bit heavy handed as well. not only that you would have to assume Dany was evil/crazy the whole time. She was pretty disinterested in the execution. Why would executing someone who was attempting to murder her suggest that Dany was evil or crazy, even if that individual was a child?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2019 19:48:14 GMT
not only that you would have to assume Dany was evil/crazy the whole time. She was pretty disinterested in the execution. Why would executing someone who was attempting to murder her suggest that Dany was evil or crazy, even if that individual was a child? it seemed like it was to rattle Varys further. Why wouldn’t they just bring the kid out at the same time? |
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Post by Marv on May 16, 2019 22:03:07 GMT
I was fine with it. Although he seemed to have a knack for leaving these situations before so I’m not sure exactly why he stayed knowing he’d die. Maybe his convo with Melisandre and his knowledge from the flames as a child led to his acceptance here. But I was fine with it. It made sense for him.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2019 22:34:39 GMT
I was fine with it. Although he seemed to have a knack for leaving these situations before so I’m not sure exactly why he stayed knowing he’d die. Maybe his convo with Melisandre and his knowledge from the flames as a child led to his acceptance here. But I was fine with it. It made sense for him. sinve they decided to make him the one who cares about the real I don’t think he had any other options. He could have left and sent the letters while Dany was preoccupied with grief but not sure where he would go. |
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Post by pk9 on May 16, 2019 22:41:58 GMT
Why would executing someone who was attempting to murder her suggest that Dany was evil or crazy, even if that individual was a child? it seemed like it was to rattle Varys further. Why wouldn’t they just bring the kid out at the same time? Well, it wasn't like Varys was already lined up at the stake and given an opportunity to say his last words. He made that speech while he was being led out to the spot. So the girl could have just been in a second group that arrived just afterwards. So it wouldn't have been planned specifically to torment Varys. I think she would have added more weight to the scene, since Varys accepted his sentence so stoically. The little girl would have been crying and begging for mercy.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 17, 2019 19:25:25 GMT
it seemed like it was to rattle Varys further. Why wouldn’t they just bring the kid out at the same time? Well, it wasn't like Varys was already lined up at the stake and given an opportunity to say his last words. He made that speech while he was being led out to the spot. So the girl could have just been in a second group that arrived just afterwards. So it wouldn't have been planned specifically to torment Varys. I think she would have added more weight to the scene, since Varys accepted his sentence so stoically. The little girl would have been crying and begging for mercy. you know what? if this is true and not some lame theory dany stan fans came up with i really dont care , even if varys was trying to poison her , good for him for trying to take her out he would have stopped a massacre, and the show is not over dany wouldnt have any problem burning any child , she burned several when she attacked KL .
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Post by hi224 on May 17, 2019 19:26:27 GMT
Well, it wasn't like Varys was already lined up at the stake and given an opportunity to say his last words. He made that speech while he was being led out to the spot. So the girl could have just been in a second group that arrived just afterwards. So it wouldn't have been planned specifically to torment Varys. I think she would have added more weight to the scene, since Varys accepted his sentence so stoically. The little girl would have been crying and begging for mercy. you know what? if this is true and not some lame theory dany stan fans came up with i really dont care , even if varys was trying to poison her , good for him for trying to take her out he would have stopped a massacre, and the show is not over dany wouldnt have any problem burning any child , she burned several when she attacked KL . you see her dying as well?.
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