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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 23:09:48 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue?
With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc.
Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby.
What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out?
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on May 13, 2019 23:25:19 GMT
There's a big difference between a woman's private and confidential consultation with a medical professional versus those incidences where a newborn baby is left abandoned. To me, it's pretty clear that the "pro-lifers" keep moving the goalposts from a severe restrictions on second and third trimester abortions. Now it's to the point where prison time is on the table (based on proposed bills in GOP-majority state legislatures) if a woman has an abortion in the sixth week of pregnancy or goes out of state.
Small government, private choice? Neither is the case.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 13, 2019 23:53:30 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out? You think that is bad? Think of the horror stories of animals being murdered to be eaten.
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Post by Sandman on May 14, 2019 0:02:40 GMT
Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby.
It sure is. But try telling that to clueless Democrats. How anyone can want to replace Trump with a Democrat in mind boggling. American voters can not be stupid enough to put a Democrat in the White House. (or can they)
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Post by Marv on May 14, 2019 0:24:01 GMT
If the baby can survive outside the womb then more power to it. I support a woman’s right to sever those ties at any moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 2:32:53 GMT
If the baby can survive outside the womb then more power to it. I support a woman’s right to sever those ties at any moment. What about that child's right to live?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 2:40:50 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out? You think that is bad? Think of the horror stories of animals being murdered to be eaten. Not even in the same ballpark, or at least to those of us who value human life over that of animals.
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Post by mslo79 on May 14, 2019 3:55:17 GMT
That's why I say liberals are totally blind when they can't see that and I use that (abortion) as a basic test judge which political party is the overall better of the two. because if someone can't get that serious moral issue right, they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas and that's exactly what happens as time passes they go lower-and-lower (i.e. gay agenda and the like/euthanasia etc). before you know it, they will be pushing for pedophiles "rights". hell, you can already see it in that TedX video a while ago trying to downplay pedophiles and try to paint them in a more sympathetic light. liberals sugar-coat the immoral act of abortion by trying to label it as a 'choice' instead of what it really is... a basic life issue, which is clear cut right(protecting human life at it's most innocent stage, which is in a mothers womb) vs wrong(ending a babies life). basically they are putting a persons "choice" higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. at the end of the day... no matter how they(liberals) try to dress it up, abortion is murder at the end of the day. Popes have said this in the past and the Catholic church is the authority on such matters and for those who can hear the truth, they listen instead of rebelling against the truth. but at the same time... is it really surprising many on the left support abortion? ; because the left are pretty much godless, they don't believe in objective morality, so they make up the rules as they go along instead of basing things around God's (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) truth. so when someone makes up things as they go along, they, little-by-little get worse and worse as time passes. it's like those on the left want no restraint whatsoever when it comes to anything sexual but by doing this they reject the truth that humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and we no longer see things correctly as not everything we perceive as good, is actually good and that's where the Catholic church comes into play as it's THE church Jesus Christ guides since it's the one He started with Peter (see Matthew 16:18) who was basically the first pope and then it went down through the generations til today. so basically those who are for abortion are either blind and don't see evil for what it is, which I suspect is most people who are for abortion, or just evil, which I am sure some people are who promote the culture of death and know what they are doing and try to use fancy words etc to make abortion appear better than it truly is as abortion is murder when you bottom line it. like the Catholic church says, life begins at conception. see CCC #2270-2275 which is here... www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm ; that's official church teachings there (it's also direct from Vatican's website to). here is #2270-2271 etc (linked to above) ; "Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life. Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law"
abortion is a mortal sin (serious sin) and someone risks going to hell for that since it's a serious offense against the "Thou Shall Not Kill' commandment.
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Post by hi224 on May 14, 2019 3:59:19 GMT
hmmm.
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Post by theauxphou on May 14, 2019 9:00:02 GMT
Depends on the situation.
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Post by Marv on May 14, 2019 9:29:49 GMT
If the baby can survive outside the womb then more power to it. I support a woman’s right to sever those ties at any moment. What about that child's right to live? Everyone has a right to live on their own.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 14, 2019 9:56:02 GMT
Abortion is fine, we should have more of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 10:17:49 GMT
What about that child's right to live? Everyone has a right to live on their own. Exactly. So that baby has a right. Let me ask you this question, and this is not out of anger or spite. This is an honest scenario. I'm only using this for debate. If a mother kills her 3 day old triplets tomorrow on the news and says, "They were in my body, I made them. I decided I couldn't handle triplets. So I cut their throats." Everyone would mourn the loss of those babies and ask for that evil woman to be put to death. Five days earlier she asks for an abortion while they are in her belly. That makes it okay? Because there is a layer of skin over them?
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on May 14, 2019 11:16:58 GMT
Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. It sure is. But try telling that to clueless Democrats. How anyone can want to replace Trump with a Democrat in mind boggling. American voters can not be stupid enough to put a Democrat in the White House. (or can they) When only one instance of a president with an "R" next to their name who won the popular vote in the 21st century. Which would be George W. Bush in 2004. I'm going to take a stab at this and say the stupid people are the "Trumpsters". Abortion is being made into a top issue all of a sudden by the GOP, when it doesn't deserve to be. I'll say it again, the goalposts are being moved.
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Post by someguy on May 14, 2019 11:29:28 GMT
That's why I say liberals are totally blind when they can't see that and I use that (abortion) as a basic test judge which political party is the overall better of the two. because if someone can't get that serious moral issue right, they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas and that's exactly what happens as time passes they go lower-and-lower (i.e. gay agenda and the like/euthanasia etc). before you know it, they will be pushing for pedophiles "rights". hell, you can already see it in that TedX video a while ago trying to downplay pedophiles and try to paint them in a more sympathetic light. liberals sugar-coat the immoral act of abortion by trying to label it as a 'choice' instead of what it really is... a basic life issue, which is clear cut right(protecting human life at it's most innocent stage, which is in a mothers womb) vs wrong(ending a babies life). basically they are putting a persons "choice" higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. at the end of the day... no matter how they(liberals) try to dress it up, abortion is murder at the end of the day. Popes have said this in the past and the Catholic church is the authority on such matters and for those who can hear the truth, they listen instead of rebelling against the truth. but at the same time... is it really surprising many on the left support abortion? ; because the left are pretty much godless, they don't believe in objective morality, so they make up the rules as they go along instead of basing things around God's (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) truth. so when someone makes up things as they go along, they, little-by-little get worse and worse as time passes. it's like those on the left want no restraint whatsoever when it comes to anything sexual but by doing this they reject the truth that humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and we no longer see things correctly as not everything we perceive as good, is actually good and that's where the Catholic church comes into play as it's THE church Jesus Christ guides since it's the one He started with Peter (see Matthew 16:18) who was basically the first pope and then it went down through the generations til today. so basically those who are for abortion are either blind and don't see evil for what it is, which I suspect is most people who are for abortion, or just evil, which I am sure some people are who promote the culture of death and know what they are doing and try to use fancy words etc to make abortion appear better than it truly is as abortion is murder when you bottom line it. like the Catholic church says, life begins at conception. see CCC #2270-2275 which is here... www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm ; that's official church teachings there (it's also direct from Vatican's website to). here is #2270-2271 etc (linked to above) ; "Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life. Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law"
abortion is a mortal sin (serious sin) and someone risks going to hell for that since it's a serious offense against the "Thou Shall Not Kill' commandment.
Why do so many people feel the need to boil everything down to a conservative vs liberal issue? I'm pro-life, but I don't call myself a conservative. Also, I'm all for gay rights, and I'm surprised more pro-life people aren't, considering how,unlikely it is for gay people to have abortions
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Post by Fox in the Snow on May 14, 2019 12:01:02 GMT
Abortion is a tough one. I'm all for a woman's (or anyone's) rights over their own body and while it does seem like an arbitrary line is drawn as to when the foetus becomes a "human life", that does seem to be the case with a lot of laws.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 14, 2019 13:07:19 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out?It's a big difference. One is a medical procedure, the other isn't. You worry about your body and let other women worry about theirs.
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Post by Marv on May 14, 2019 13:09:19 GMT
Everyone has a right to live on their own. Exactly. So that baby has a right. Let me ask you this question, and this is not out of anger or spite. This is an honest scenario. I'm only using this for debate. If a mother kills her 3 day old triplets tomorrow on the news and says, "They were in my body, I made them. I decided I couldn't handle triplets. So I cut their throats." Everyone would mourn the loss of those babies and ask for that evil woman to be put to death. Five days earlier she asks for an abortion while they are in her belly. That makes it okay? Because there is a layer of skin over them? If an abortion can be performed without killing the fetus/baby then I’m for it. So long as there’s someone to take care of it via adoption, orphanage, whatever.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 14, 2019 13:12:38 GMT
That's why I say liberals are totally blind when they can't see that and I use that (abortion) as a basic test judge which political party is the overall better of the two. because if someone can't get that serious moral issue right, they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas and that's exactly what happens as time passes they go lower-and-lower (i.e. gay agenda and the like/euthanasia etc). before you know it, they will be pushing for pedophiles "rights". hell, you can already see it in that TedX video a while ago trying to downplay pedophiles and try to paint them in a more sympathetic light. liberals sugar-coat the immoral act of abortion by trying to label it as a 'choice' instead of what it really is... a basic life issue, which is clear cut right(protecting human life at it's most innocent stage, which is in a mothers womb) vs wrong(ending a babies life). basically they are putting a persons "choice" higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. at the end of the day... no matter how they(liberals) try to dress it up, abortion is murder at the end of the day. Popes have said this in the past and the Catholic church is the authority on such matters and for those who can hear the truth, they listen instead of rebelling against the truth. but at the same time... is it really surprising many on the left support abortion? ; because the left are pretty much godless, they don't believe in objective morality, so they make up the rules as they go along instead of basing things around God's (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) truth. so when someone makes up things as they go along, they, little-by-little get worse and worse as time passes. it's like those on the left want no restraint whatsoever when it comes to anything sexual but by doing this they reject the truth that humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and we no longer see things correctly as not everything we perceive as good, is actually good and that's where the Catholic church comes into play as it's THE church Jesus Christ guides since it's the one He started with Peter (see Matthew 16:18) who was basically the first pope and then it went down through the generations til today. so basically those who are for abortion are either blind and don't see evil for what it is, which I suspect is most people who are for abortion, or just evil, which I am sure some people are who promote the culture of death and know what they are doing and try to use fancy words etc to make abortion appear better than it truly is as abortion is murder when you bottom line it. like the Catholic church says, life begins at conception. see CCC #2270-2275 which is here... www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm ; that's official church teachings there (it's also direct from Vatican's website to). here is #2270-2271 etc (linked to above) ; "Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life. Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law"
abortion is a mortal sin (serious sin) and someone risks going to hell for that since it's a serious offense against the "Thou Shall Not Kill' commandment.
Except even the Bible identifies a fetus as property. And that's not even counting all pregnant women and fetuses god killed in The Flood and plagues. But most importantly, god forgives all sins. Even abortion is forgivable.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 14, 2019 13:13:21 GMT
Exactly. So that baby has a right. Let me ask you this question, and this is not out of anger or spite. This is an honest scenario. I'm only using this for debate. If a mother kills her 3 day old triplets tomorrow on the news and says, "They were in my body, I made them. I decided I couldn't handle triplets. So I cut their throats." Everyone would mourn the loss of those babies and ask for that evil woman to be put to death. Five days earlier she asks for an abortion while they are in her belly. That makes it okay? Because there is a layer of skin over them? If an abortion can be performed without killing the fetus/baby then I’m for it. So long as there’s someone to take care of it via adoption, orphanage, whatever. I'm actually in favor of this. All pro-lifers should be required to take in at least one child that would've been aborted.
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