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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 14, 2019 19:50:18 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out? Yes, LATE TERM abortion is awful. But that's the fake BS that the right always points to. "They're killing late term babies!"
NOPE! No one is killing late term babies. A woman knows she's pregnant far sooner than when its late in her term.
Birth control, pills, condoms. etc. all are preferred to abortion, absolutely. Of course. But they're trying to take those away too! So WTF?
I wouldn't want anyone I love or know personally to have to go through an abortion. I would even recommend against it. BUT it's not my choice because its not my body.
If we start telling women what they can or cant do with their own bodies where will it end?
What I love the most is how pissed this makes men... who will NEVER have to make the choice of whether or not they should be pregnant.
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Post by uncreative on May 15, 2019 1:20:16 GMT
Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. I've got some good news for you then. It's almost only ever done because of a medical emergency or a non-viable fetus.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 17:12:00 GMT
Depends on the situation. You mean like if the mother's life or health is being jeopardized by the pregnancy? Otherwise it is murder?
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 17:25:29 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out? You think that is bad? Think of the horror stories of animals being murdered to be eaten. Everyone can't be a vegetarian or vegan Warren. Many people need meat to live. I agree with the animal cruelty folks. No need to be cruel. But to stop eating meat all together is impossible.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 17:54:30 GMT
If the baby can survive outside the womb then more power to it. I support a woman’s right to sever those ties at any moment. No baby can survive outside the womb without adults taking care of it. Inside/outside womb is just a technicality.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 17:55:32 GMT
What about that child's right to live? Everyone has a right to live on their own. Post birth babies can't live on their own.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 17:59:12 GMT
Abortion is a tough one. I'm all for a woman's (or anyone's) rights over their own body and while it does seem like an arbitrary line is drawn as to when the foetus becomes a "human life", that does seem to be the case with a lot of laws. A human zygote is formed at conception. A human zygote is alive. It is a human life.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 18:00:35 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out?It's a big difference. One is a medical procedure, the other isn't. You worry about your body and let other women worry about theirs. No. We have a responsibility to worry about the young.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 18:02:31 GMT
That's why I say liberals are totally blind when they can't see that and I use that (abortion) as a basic test judge which political party is the overall better of the two. because if someone can't get that serious moral issue right, they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas and that's exactly what happens as time passes they go lower-and-lower (i.e. gay agenda and the like/euthanasia etc). before you know it, they will be pushing for pedophiles "rights". hell, you can already see it in that TedX video a while ago trying to downplay pedophiles and try to paint them in a more sympathetic light. liberals sugar-coat the immoral act of abortion by trying to label it as a 'choice' instead of what it really is... a basic life issue, which is clear cut right(protecting human life at it's most innocent stage, which is in a mothers womb) vs wrong(ending a babies life). basically they are putting a persons "choice" higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. at the end of the day... no matter how they(liberals) try to dress it up, abortion is murder at the end of the day. Popes have said this in the past and the Catholic church is the authority on such matters and for those who can hear the truth, they listen instead of rebelling against the truth. but at the same time... is it really surprising many on the left support abortion? ; because the left are pretty much godless, they don't believe in objective morality, so they make up the rules as they go along instead of basing things around God's (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) truth. so when someone makes up things as they go along, they, little-by-little get worse and worse as time passes. it's like those on the left want no restraint whatsoever when it comes to anything sexual but by doing this they reject the truth that humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve and we no longer see things correctly as not everything we perceive as good, is actually good and that's where the Catholic church comes into play as it's THE church Jesus Christ guides since it's the one He started with Peter (see Matthew 16:18) who was basically the first pope and then it went down through the generations til today. so basically those who are for abortion are either blind and don't see evil for what it is, which I suspect is most people who are for abortion, or just evil, which I am sure some people are who promote the culture of death and know what they are doing and try to use fancy words etc to make abortion appear better than it truly is as abortion is murder when you bottom line it. like the Catholic church says, life begins at conception. see CCC #2270-2275 which is here... www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm ; that's official church teachings there (it's also direct from Vatican's website to). here is #2270-2271 etc (linked to above) ; "Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life. Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law"
abortion is a mortal sin (serious sin) and someone risks going to hell for that since it's a serious offense against the "Thou Shall Not Kill' commandment.
Except even the Bible identifies a fetus as property. And that's not even counting all pregnant women and fetuses god killed in The Flood and plagues. But most importantly, god forgives all sins. Even abortion is forgivable. The Bible also said women were property. A man could beat and kill his wife.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 15, 2019 18:04:06 GMT
It's a big difference. One is a medical procedure, the other isn't. You worry about your body and let other women worry about theirs. No. We have a responsibility to worry about the young. Liar. You want children to be human shields.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 15, 2019 18:04:30 GMT
Except even the Bible identifies a fetus as property. And that's not even counting all pregnant women and fetuses god killed in The Flood and plagues. But most importantly, god forgives all sins. Even abortion is forgivable. The Bible also said women were property. A man could beat and kill his wife. Yep. Which is why it's a crock to reference it in 2019.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 18:07:27 GMT
The Bible also said women were property. A man could beat and kill his wife. Yep. Which is why it's a crock to reference it in 2019. No. There are many good things in the Bible. But everything in there is not good. One needs to be discriminating. And separate the good from bad. Abortion is murder. Unless the life or health of the mother is at risk.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 15, 2019 18:14:26 GMT
Yep. Which is why it's a crock to reference it in 2019. No. There are many good things in the Bible. But everything in there is not good. One needs to be discriminating. And separate the good from bad. Abortion is murder. Unless the life or health of the mother is at risk. Yes, there are. No, it's not. That's why doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on May 15, 2019 18:23:25 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out? You're as right about this as you were about Boston stopping Giannis.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 18:38:14 GMT
No. There are many good things in the Bible. But everything in there is not good. One needs to be discriminating. And separate the good from bad. Abortion is murder. Unless the life or health of the mother is at risk. Yes, there are. No, it's not. That's why doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder. Doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder because abortion is legal. Abortion is legal because the majority wants it to be. Its called democracy. It wasn't legalized because it is right. It was legalized because it is popular.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 15, 2019 18:42:36 GMT
Yes, there are. No, it's not. That's why doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder. Doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder because abortion is legal. Abortion is legal because the majority wants it to be. Its called democracy. It wasn't legalized because it is right. It was legalized because it is popular. And that's exactly why it's not murder. Murder is legal term defining an illegal crime. Abortion is legal; therefore, it's not a crime. so it's not murder. And yes, it was legalized because it's right. Body autonomy is a right.
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Post by Marv on May 15, 2019 18:45:56 GMT
Everyone has a right to live on their own. Post birth babies can't live on their own. When I refer to living on their own I pretty much solely mean without the use of the mothers organs.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 18:46:27 GMT
Doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder because abortion is legal. Abortion is legal because the majority wants it to be. Its called democracy. It wasn't legalized because it is right. It was legalized because it is popular. And that's exactly why it's not murder. Murder is legal term defining an illegal crime. Abortion is legal; therefore, it's not a crime. so it's not murder. And yes, it was legalized because it's right. Body autonomy is a right. You are hiding behind semantics. It is wrong to kill anyone unless they are an imminent threat to your life or physical well being. Abortion is wrong. Right now, it is legalized murder.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 18:49:26 GMT
Post birth babies can't live on their own. When I refer to living on their own I pretty much solely mean without the use of the mothers organs. This is getting ridiculous. Of course there is some difference between a pre birth baby and a post birth baby. But so what? They are both human beings with the DNA set up pre-determining their body type, and mental, psychological and emotional make up. That person will never get another chance at life if it is murdered.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 15, 2019 19:08:11 GMT
And that's exactly why it's not murder. Murder is legal term defining an illegal crime. Abortion is legal; therefore, it's not a crime. so it's not murder. And yes, it was legalized because it's right. Body autonomy is a right. You are hiding behind semantics. It is wrong to kill anyone unless they are an imminent threat to your life or physical well being. Abortion is wrong. Right now, it is legalized murder. Nope. If it's legal, it's not murder. Stop trying to change the meaning of words.
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