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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 16:55:54 GMT
- Varus betrayal and execution having taken place the previous episode.
- Jamie is caught by guards and quickly released by Tyrion giving us their goodbye scene, skipping the pointless scene of Daenerys being disappointing in Tyrion yet again.
- Tyrion doesn't give Jamie some secret smuggler's path to find Cersi so they can have a romantic getaway. Jamie's goal is to simply surrender himself to her as a Hail Mary that he can talk her down.
- The Hound gives his lecture to Arya, she takes him seriously but doesn't just give up. Instead she is swept away by the crowd as the Red Keep's doors close. He makes it in, she doesn't.
- Daenerys not be part of the first part of the battle. She had to lay low because of the scorpions. The ground forces have an actual real battle with the Golden Company while Yara Greyjoy leads a fleet in an epic naval battle which concludes with her killing her uncle (instead of him magically washing ashore with Jamie).
- Guards bring a surrendered and shackled Jamie to Cersei. She tells Qyburn and Gegor to leave her alone with him in a room in the Red Keep, drama ensues.
- Cleagonbowl commences exactly as before, except Cersei isn't there she's with Jamie and the Red Keep isn't collapsing.
- Jamie can't convince Cersei of shit, and realizes he has to kill her. Uses some sneaky trick like a tool hidden in his fake hand to make that happen. She was prepared as well and they basically kill each other.
- Meanwhile Tyrion concocts a brilliant scheme (remember he used to be able to do things like that) to use Davos' smuggler route or something to have some soldiers sneak in and destroy a scorpion or two. This gives an opening for Daeny to move inside the city with her dragon and flank and destroy the sorpions defending the walls where the ground battle is taking place and roast the Golden Company's back line who was kicking Jon and everyone else's asses. She then proceeds to destroy all the scorpions along the walls.
- Glorious, hard fought victory! Now the bells ring... Daeny snaps, and starts roasting civilians. Jon and Tyrion give their WTF faces and the episode ends.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 17:19:39 GMT
Those aren’t tweaks lol
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 17:25:07 GMT
Another dumb fuck who wanted Jaime to kill Cersei. Fuck off.
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Post by Nightman on May 14, 2019 17:53:25 GMT
That makes too much sense. Hence, it could never be allowed.
The best plan would have been for them to strike at night, with Dany coming straight down on the Red Keep like Aegon did at Harrenhal, and as you said, Tyrion smuggling in people. Unfortunately, Tyrion was always a traitor, or he would have suggested doing that last season.
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Post by Nightman on May 14, 2019 17:55:27 GMT
Another dumb fuck who wanted Jaime to kill Cersei. Fuck off. Instead, the lizard got the honors. What a shame that little lions are too weak against real power.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 14, 2019 17:57:31 GMT
Instead, the lizard got the honors. What a shame that little lions are too weak against real power. Somewhere, House Castamere are laughing their heads off.
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Post by pk9 on May 14, 2019 17:58:21 GMT
- - Glorious, hard fought victory! Now the bells ring... Daeny snaps, and starts roasting civilians. Jon and Tyrion give their WTF faces and the episode ends. You've missed the most important part, I think. Dany needs a reason to snap. I say you keep either Jorah or Rhaegal alive up to this point. Then, bells ring, it looks like we have a glorious victory... and someone gets in one last shot, killing someone precious to Dany right in front of her eyes... and she snaps.
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Post by Nightman on May 14, 2019 18:00:20 GMT
Instead, the lizard got the honors. What a shame that little lions are too weak against real power. Somewhere, House Castamere are laughing their heads off. Now that you mention it, Cersei and Jamie's demise was reminiscent of the fate of the Reynes: dying trapped beneath a castle. Just with less water and more ceiling.
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Post by Nightman on May 14, 2019 18:01:56 GMT
- - Glorious, hard fought victory! Now the bells ring... Daeny snaps, and starts roasting civilians. Jon and Tyrion give their WTF faces and the episode ends. You've missed the most important part, I think. Dany needs a reason to snap. I say you keep either Jorah or Rhaegal alive up to this point. Then, bells ring, it looks like we have a glorious victory... and someone gets in one last shot, killing someone precious to Dany right in front of her eyes... and she snaps. Even better, just leave that whole thing out.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 18:12:29 GMT
Another dumb fuck who wanted Jaime to kill Cersei. Fuck off. Instead, the lizard got the honors. What a shame that little lions are too weak against real power. Lizards and snakes are the original enemy, the primal evil. Everyone knows that. Real lions don't turn on each other.
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Post by Nightman on May 14, 2019 18:20:33 GMT
Instead, the lizard got the honors. What a shame that little lions are too weak against real power. Lizards and snakes are the original enemy, the primal evil. Everyone knows that. Real lions don't turn on each other. The lions in the series and on this board are bigger snakes than Drogon could dream of.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 19:57:02 GMT
- - Glorious, hard fought victory! Now the bells ring... Daeny snaps, and starts roasting civilians. Jon and Tyrion give their WTF faces and the episode ends. You've missed the most important part, I think. Dany needs a reason to snap. I say you keep either Jorah or Rhaegal alive up to this point. Then, bells ring, it looks like we have a glorious victory... and someone gets in one last shot, killing someone precious to Dany right in front of her eyes... and she snaps. She doesn't "snap" as in losing her temper. She snaps because she's a literal paranoid schizophrenic, just like her dad, and the bells triggered a full onset of this. The bells also mean she's supposed to do something everyone else she doesn't trust wants her to do.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 20:51:20 GMT
That makes too much sense. Hence, it could never be allowed. The best plan would have been for them to strike at night, with Dany coming straight down on the Red Keep like Aegon did at Harrenhal, and as you said, Tyrion smuggling in people. Unfortunately, Tyrion was always a traitor, or he would have suggested doing that last season. i had no issues with the battle plan itself. However I do think that Tyrion caused so many losses the previous season that he should have been replaced immediately by Jorah who actually did have the ability to cross cultures. He definitely should have been canned this season.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 20:59:33 GMT
You've missed the most important part, I think. Dany needs a reason to snap. I say you keep either Jorah or Rhaegal alive up to this point. Then, bells ring, it looks like we have a glorious victory... and someone gets in one last shot, killing someone precious to Dany right in front of her eyes... and she snaps. She doesn't "snap" as in losing her temper. She snaps because she's a literal paranoid schizophrenic, just like her dad, and the bells triggered a full onset of this. The bells also mean she's supposed to do something everyone else she doesn't trust wants her to do. [The bells did not trigger that imo. The bells rang and she still had rage. It wasn’t enough. The punishment needed to continue If her idiotic snap happened at all it was when her last supports abandoned her the night before. Granted her grief led to it but that actually makes sense in the story. Her jumping on her dragon and destroying the Iron fleet when Rhaegal died or her destroying the scorpions and Cersei after Missandi’s death would have made more sense than this. It was stupid.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 14, 2019 21:06:04 GMT
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 14, 2019 22:56:46 GMT
LOL here is a fun fact remember when rosa told shae about when sansa was born? "the day she was born they rang the bells from sunrise to sunset"
could mean rise of the new QUEEN
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 1:45:28 GMT
She doesn't "snap" as in losing her temper. She snaps because she's a literal paranoid schizophrenic, just like her dad, and the bells triggered a full onset of this. The bells also mean she's supposed to do something everyone else she doesn't trust wants her to do. [The bells did not trigger that imo. The bells rang and she still had rage. It wasn’t enough. The punishment needed to continue If her idiotic snap happened at all it was when her last supports abandoned her the night before. Granted her grief led to it but that actually makes sense in the story. Her jumping on her dragon and destroying the Iron fleet when Rhaegal died or her destroying the scorpions and Cersei after Missandi’s death would have made more sense than this. It was stupid. I completely disagree. It’s all in her face, that look she has when they ring. It’s pure confusion and terror. She literally lost her mind, and it’s a genetic disease due to centuries of Targaryen inbreeding.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 15, 2019 2:05:28 GMT
[The bells did not trigger that imo. The bells rang and she still had rage. It wasn’t enough. The punishment needed to continue If her idiotic snap happened at all it was when her last supports abandoned her the night before. Granted her grief led to it but that actually makes sense in the story. Her jumping on her dragon and destroying the Iron fleet when Rhaegal died or her destroying the scorpions and Cersei after Missandi’s death would have made more sense than this. It was stupid. I completely disagree. It’s all in her face, that look she has when they ring. It’s pure confusion and terror. She literally lost her mind, and it’s a genetic disease due to centuries of Targaryen inbreeding. While it might be confusions since she is feeling things she has NEVER felt before the writers deciding to make her that way, I don't think it's confusion and terror. She is certainly not scared during the KL massacre or at any point in time preceding it. I don't think she has been any less confused about her intentions ever and that wouldn't make sense and hour later as she's still blowing the city away. But who knows, the very first line of the finale may be "I was confused" because apparently the writers can do as they wish whether it sucks or not.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2019 8:54:17 GMT
Jaime gets to Cersei, karate chops her in the throat, and she dies while he's pardoned for Good Character Arc Behavior.
After the bells ring, Dany spares everyone and they all enjoy a pint. The citizens of King's Landing create "I'm With Her" and "White Savior" signs, Jon realizes he loves her even if she's his inbed hillbilly aunt, and they have heroic sex. Arya formally apologizes to Jon for robbing him of his Night King kill, who they resurrect just so Jon can be the one to finish him.
Then the episode ends with HBO giving me D&D's paychecks and Emmys while they're locked up in Gitmo. GRRM then personally shakes my hand, telling me "That's exactly how I'm going to end it in my books" while Emilia Clarke gives me a HJ and fans clap.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 15, 2019 11:20:04 GMT
My primary change would really just be that it picks up the same day/night that Missandei is killed.
They wanted to subvert the big battle trope anyway, so start the episode forgoing all of that and just have Dany destroy KL or begin it at least.
This seems fun so I'll give it a shot.
I think the episode was too concerned with closures of one kind or another so I wouldn't have even considered all of that. Qyburn, not Tyrion, would have figured out a way to get Cersei out (Seriously how could the dude not have a Plan B even if Cersei was too stupid to leave). Jaime would have intervened right around the same time Hound shows up; to deal with his zombie brother.
Jaime, realizing it was Cersei is hired Bronn to kill him, can't shake his love for her but still kills her and stays with her body until the Red Keep is demolished.
The stuff that happened at the beginning happens at back end as everyone is realizing that Dany has gone loco. Jon arrives at the end of the destruction after the Unsullied and Dothraki sack the city, Varys still tries to betray her using KL and Jon;s heritage, Jon is more amenable to it, & Tyrion tries a compromise.
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