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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 14, 2019 21:50:25 GMT
literally or i should say a nervous breakdown , i read some of the most idiotic theories as to why she suddenly went "mad" because before all this she was an angel LOL this is same dany going back season 2 that promised she will burn cities to the ground Turn me away and yours will be first! - her words , there shouldn't be any confusion as to who she really always WAS.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2019 22:23:19 GMT
This has always been a stupid argument.
When a handful of quotes are needed over 8 seasons to show Dany as insane then the show failed to show her as insane..
She flat out never behaved as she did in Sunday’s episode and yes that was a challenge. People need to stop pretending they had an inside knowledge of it.
After all it’s a good chance their person for the throne has been crapped in too.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 14, 2019 22:28:36 GMT
You guys just didn’t pay attention. I did.
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Post by Marendil on May 14, 2019 23:17:00 GMT
You guys just didn’t pay attention. I did. There's a huge difference between threatening your enemies with destruction and firing your own city as a victory lap. Once that city surrendered she had won, it was her city, all that commerce and industry hers to tax from her own subjects. All she had to do was land in front of the Red Keep and tell them to open the gate or Drogon would huff and puff and blow the house down and then ascend to the Iron Throne with her armies as escort.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 14, 2019 23:24:19 GMT
This has always been a stupid argument. When a handful of quotes are needed over 8 seasons to show Dany as insane then the show failed to show her as insane.. She flat out never behaved as she did in Sunday’s episode and yes that was a challenge. People need to stop pretending they had an inside knowledge of it. After all it’s a good chance their person for the throne has been crapped in too. Pretending? This thread was made after only episode 2: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/167372/alternate-series-minds-dany-hatersMad Queen predictions have existed for seasons upon seasons before that. The show didn't fail to show her as insane, Dany stans failed to see. Throughout this entire season alone, she's been making thinly veiled murder threats, but you guys have covered your ears and made excuses. In what universe is "What do dragons eat?" "Anything they want" not a threat? The one of denial you yourselves created. Hell, the entire purpose of Varys and Tyrion being her counselors was to rein in her bloodlust and genetically inbred predisposition for insanity. It sometimes worked, sometimes didn't, and now they've failed or turned on her and she's had one mighty sh*tty week so she's not playing around anymore.
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Post by Marendil on May 14, 2019 23:43:37 GMT
This has always been a stupid argument. When a handful of quotes are needed over 8 seasons to show Dany as insane then the show failed to show her as insane.. She flat out never behaved as she did in Sunday’s episode and yes that was a challenge. People need to stop pretending they had an inside knowledge of it. After all it’s a good chance their person for the throne has been crapped in too. The show didn't fail to show her as insane, Dany stans failed to see. Throughout this entire season alone, she's been making thinly veiled murder threats, but you guys have covered your ears and made excuses. In what universe is "What do dragons eat?" "Anything they want" not a threat? The one of denial you yourselves created. Why did absolutely no one involved in the scene react as though that was a threat? The supposed recipient in fact proffered a genuine apology afterward for her catty behavior that precipitated the comment instead. It was a statement of fact and grim humor, nothing else.
Aerys Targaryen cackled in glee as his victims burned and planned to blow up the whole city, including the Red Keep, as he thought he wouldn't burn but be transformed into a dragon instead. Another Targaryen prince consumed wildfire in the same attempt to become a dragon. That's the kind of madness they were referring to.
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Post by Nightman on May 14, 2019 23:50:11 GMT
You guys just didn’t pay attention. I did. There's a huge difference between threatening your enemies with destruction and firing your own city as a victory lap. Once that city surrendered she had won, it was her city, all that commerce and industry hers to tax from her own subjects. Someone suggested the fact she torched the city after she won makes her a Philadelphia Eagles fan. That would be a salient twist.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 15, 2019 2:51:32 GMT
This has always been a stupid argument. When a handful of quotes are needed over 8 seasons to show Dany as insane then the show failed to show her as insane.. You're an idiot. Nothing can convince idiots of anything they don't want. Daenarys fans have been limited to idiots for seasons. They don't understand the show because they don't understand things. That's how you recognise idiots. Now fuck off and die, idiot. Or just die. No one needs you.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 15, 2019 2:55:26 GMT
Read this: And give Daenerys fans what they deserve, anywhere you see them. Set them aside. For good.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 15, 2019 3:01:46 GMT
The show didn't fail to show her as insane, Dany stans failed to see. The point of the show is not just to tell the story of a tyrant, it has become to show how tyrants can attract a following today. It has been to show how fools fall for propaganda based on simplistic goals and simple music put together. That's why Daenerys was unashamedly painted as a hero when she was burning things and people down. That's why positive sounding music rang when she was riding weapons of mass destruction. Beware of fools. Beware of the simple. Beware of danidiots. That's the lesson.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 15, 2019 3:09:45 GMT
If Danny was gonna be mad, fine, cool...peoples issue isnt her going mad (Minus fanboys-girls) the issue is this, she simply "went mad."
The issue imo is the issue most have had this season, rushed nonsense and bad writing. I have no issue with her being mad but it does seem just to be too rushed.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 15, 2019 3:20:20 GMT
If Danny was gonna be mad, fine, cool...peoples issue isnt her going mad (Minus fanboys-girls) the issue is this, she simply "went mad." The issue imo is the issue most have had this season, rushed nonsense and bad writing. I have no issue with her being mad but it does seem just to be too rushed. I won't defend the writing or the pace in general. But people going "mad" this way is not something that shows. Whenever you see in the news that some crazy has gone on a killing spree, you wonder how that could happen. "He was always a nice, polite guy" people say. They don't start hinting at it all over before they do. Their neighbour don't see them gradually break. When Breivik went on to shoot dozens on an island back in 2011, people didn't go "it was foreshadowed". It wasn't bad writing, that the way things actually work.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2019 4:47:31 GMT
The show didn't fail to show her as insane, Dany stans failed to see. The point of the show is not just to tell the story of a tyrant, it has become to show how tyrants can attract a following today. It has been to show how fools fall for propaganda based on simplistic goals and simple music put together. That's why Daenerys was unashamedly painted as a hero when she was burning things and people down. That's why positive sounding music rang when she was riding weapons of mass destruction. Beware of fools. Beware of the simple. Beware of danidiots. That's the lesson. I was actually just thinking about that the other day. The way fans unconditionally supported her brutality and didn't question her constant city burning threats, refusing to believe she'd go mad until she was finally burning innocents. I was like "wow, this is how Hitler came to power".
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 15, 2019 5:13:21 GMT
The point of the show is not just to tell the story of a tyrant, it has become to show how tyrants can attract a following today. It has been to show how fools fall for propaganda based on simplistic goals and simple music put together. That's why Daenerys was unashamedly painted as a hero when she was burning things and people down. That's why positive sounding music rang when she was riding weapons of mass destruction. Beware of fools. Beware of the simple. Beware of danidiots. That's the lesson. I was actually just thinking about that the other day. The way fans unconditionally supported her brutality and didn't question her constant city burning threats, refusing to believe she'd go mad until she was finally burning innocents. I was like "wow, this is how Hitler came to power". Nearly. After her speech to the Dothraki on top of Drogon in S6E06, the director made a comparison to Nazi rallies in Nuremberg. It was always there for those who wanted to see and it was always intended to work this way.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2019 6:08:30 GMT
I was actually just thinking about that the other day. The way fans unconditionally supported her brutality and didn't question her constant city burning threats, refusing to believe she'd go mad until she was finally burning innocents. I was like "wow, this is how Hitler came to power". Nearly. After her speech to the Dothraki on top of Drogon in S6E06, the director made a comparison to Nazi rallies in Nuremberg. It was always there for those who wanted to see and it was always intended to work this way. That 2016 interview and article sure deflates the narrative that "they turned Dany evil out of nowhere to subvert expectations". So in light of all this stuff, are you starting to like the show again?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 15, 2019 6:26:57 GMT
Nearly. After her speech to the Dothraki on top of Drogon in S6E06, the director made a comparison to Nazi rallies in Nuremberg. It was always there for those who wanted to see and it was always intended to work this way. That 2016 interview and article sure deflates the narrative that "they turned Dany evil out of nowhere to subvert expectations". So in light of all this stuff, are you starting to like the show again? No, I cannot like or enjoy it because it still has changed its language in one I do not want to hear. It still is down from adult to baby talk. At least I do not disagree with everything it says or with it saying it. I am not at peace with the end of the Lannisters, I never will be, but they have not made them the villains. I am grateful for that, for now. The ending will tell if it can stay that way.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2019 13:12:02 GMT
You guys just didn’t pay attention. I did. There's a huge difference between threatening your enemies with destruction and firing your own city as a victory lap. Once that city surrendered she had won, it was her city, all that commerce and industry hers to tax from her own subjects. All she had to do was land in front of the Red Keep and tell them to open the gate or Drogon would huff and puff and blow the house down and then ascend to the Iron Throne with her armies as escort.
I agree no matter how some of dany fans want to spin this or her behavior , all the burning and chaos could have been avoided if she did what you just described i think she wanted to do what she did she is used to conquering but she is one bad ruler , she will never sit on the iron chair like darrio told her .
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2019 13:22:14 GMT
If Danny was gonna be mad, fine, cool...peoples issue isnt her going mad (Minus fanboys-girls) the issue is this, she simply "went mad." The issue imo is the issue most have had this season, rushed nonsense and bad writing. I have no issue with her being mad but it does seem just to be too rushed. i agree season is rushed with a lot of gaps that hopefully for all the book readers may be filled in at some point i totally agree with that but personally for me i saw hints of danys madness or personality that she can be capable of something like this since season 1 and as seasons went on it became worse , once she was able to meet and negotiate with people/houses in westeros other than slaves or masters , it was apparent she couldn't deal because she always sucked being a ruler , she may be good conquering because she has dragons but she cant rule , dany is used getting her way either be men falling at her feet because of her beauty , or threatning to burn people when they dont do what she asks of them .
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 15, 2019 13:23:55 GMT
Dany has done one good thing
She got rid of Cersei
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2019 13:27:51 GMT
Dany has done one good thing She got rid of Cersei actually she didnt not the way dany would have hoped cersei died in the arms of someone who loved her cant think of any other better way to go in situations like that and dany will die alone and UN-LOVED
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