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Post by Aj_June on May 15, 2019 6:03:41 GMT
I mean Jon is the biggest part of the series and one of the two most important characters that moved the story since the beginning. And yet they have not given him a single good episode this season. May be they decided to give him something at the end to make his character more memorable. May be he is going to Nissa Nissa? Or give a speech or something?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2019 8:08:48 GMT
I was just thinking about that myself. I thought Dany killing him might be her official heel turn, but that happened differently. Then he was the most obvious contender to take out the NK, but that happened differently as well. All that's left for him now from a narrative standpoint is to try and take what's left of that throne from Dany.
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Post by CoolJGSâș on May 15, 2019 11:23:21 GMT
I'm hoping they show the cracks in his plot armor.
I like Jon but I don't think most would take him as king except to force the story. If they transformed Dany they should transform him to and subvert expectation regarding the throne.
I think he should die, even heroically, because he is already dead. We have to learn the purpose of him rising again, but I would be surprised if it would be due to something as minor as who sits on the Throne.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 15, 2019 13:44:19 GMT
I mean Jon is the biggest part of the series and one of the two most important characters that moved the story since the beginning. And yet they have not given him a single good episode this season. May be they decided to give him something at the end to make his character more memorable. May be he is going to Nissa Nissa? Or give a speech or something? He's not a very complex character. Jon is a generic hero in the same way that Ned was - there's nothing more to really build on for his character other than to show some reaction shots of him reacting to Dany's decisions.
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Post by CoolJGSâș on May 15, 2019 14:00:17 GMT
I mean Jon is the biggest part of the series and one of the two most important characters that moved the story since the beginning. And yet they have not given him a single good episode this season. May be they decided to give him something at the end to make his character more memorable. May be he is going to Nissa Nissa? Or give a speech or something? He's not a very complex character. Jon is a generic hero in the same way that Ned was - there's nothing more to really build on for his character other than to show some reaction shots of him reacting to Dany's decisions. except Ned was not a generic hero, he was a scumbag masquerading as a hero. |
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Post by Aj_June on May 15, 2019 19:48:49 GMT
I was just thinking about that myself. I thought Dany killing him might be her official heel turn, but that happened differently. Then he was the most obvious contender to take out the NK, but that happened differently as well. All that's left for him now from a narrative standpoint is to try and take what's left of that throne from Dany. I think if he kills Dany instead of Arya killing Dany then Jon will not hold on to the throne because he would have done something that would bear a lifelong feeling of sadness for him. He might then abdicate his claim to the throne for someone else.
In any case, whatever he was he was still the no.1 star of the show till the very last season. This is the first season when he hasn't been the man doing the main action or running the show. Probably killing Dany will be his prize but I won't mind if Arya does that.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2019 19:55:26 GMT
I was just thinking about that myself. I thought Dany killing him might be her official heel turn, but that happened differently. Then he was the most obvious contender to take out the NK, but that happened differently as well. All that's left for him now from a narrative standpoint is to try and take what's left of that throne from Dany. I think if he kills Dany instead of Arya killing Dany then Jon will not hold on to the throne because he would have done something that would bear a lifelong feeling of sadness for him. He might then abdicate his claim to the throne for someone else.
In any case, whatever he was he was still the no.1 star of the show till the very last season. This is the first season when he hasn't been the man doing the main action or running the show. Probably killing Dany will be his prize but I won't mind if Arya does that.
why would he feels sadness ? he doesnt even have love for her no matter what he told her out of fear , dany is a criminal she committed criminal acts against humanity , if anything he should be re-joicing if he is the one taking her out , if he feels sad because she is his aunt and only other targaryen family he has it will come across so fake dany could care less she has some family and was ready to send him live with nuns so his true parentage was never revealed. whoever takes her out needs to be rewarded 
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Post by Aj_June on May 15, 2019 19:55:41 GMT
I'm hoping they show the cracks in his plot armor. I like Jon but I don't think most would take him as king except to force the story. If they transformed Dany they should transform him to and subvert expectation regarding the throne. I think he should die, even heroically, because he is already dead. We have to learn the purpose of him rising again, but I would be surprised if it would be due to something as minor as who sits on the Throne. If they kill him then it do be a good and will also make sense for he should be dead anyway. But they have taken out NK already and the other enemies are dead so I wouldn't put money on his death.
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Post by Aj_June on May 15, 2019 19:57:30 GMT
I think if he kills Dany instead of Arya killing Dany then Jon will not hold on to the throne because he would have done something that would bear a lifelong feeling of sadness for him. He might then abdicate his claim to the throne for someone else.
In any case, whatever he was he was still the no.1 star of the show till the very last season. This is the first season when he hasn't been the man doing the main action or running the show. Probably killing Dany will be his prize but I won't mind if Arya does that.
why would he feels sadness ? he doesnt even have love for her no matter what he told her out of fear , dany is a criminal she committed criminal acts against humanity , if anything he should be re-joicing if he is the one taking her out , if he feels sad because she is his aunt and only other targaryen family he has it will come across so fake dany could care less she has some family and was ready to send him live with nuns so his true parentage was never revealed. whoever takes her out needs to be rewarded Anytime you murder someone who has been close to you then you feel sad. Whether he loves her or not will be clearer in the next episode but as per current story he does love her and Sophoe Turner said he is madly in love with her.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2019 19:58:50 GMT
why would he feels sadness ? he doesnt even have love for her no matter what he told her out of fear , dany is a criminal she committed criminal acts against humanity , if anything he should be re-joicing if he is the one taking her out , if he feels sad because she is his aunt and only other targaryen family he has it will come across so fake dany could care less she has some family and was ready to send him live with nuns so his true parentage was never revealed. whoever takes her out needs to be rewarded Anytime you murder someone who has been close to you then you feel sad. Whether he loves her or not will be clearer in the next episode but as per current story he does love her and Sophoe Turner said he is madly in love with her. oh please lets not go there its a fight against me you will never win
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Post by Aj_June on May 15, 2019 20:00:02 GMT
Anytime you murder someone who has been close to you then you feel sad. Whether he loves her or not will be clearer in the next episode but as per current story he does love her and Sophoe Turner said he is madly in love with her. oh please lets not go there its a fight against me you will never win Lol....I will claim the same thing. But I am fine with fighting a bit for fun. But let's make if after the show finishes.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2019 20:46:29 GMT
I was just thinking about that myself. I thought Dany killing him might be her official heel turn, but that happened differently. Then he was the most obvious contender to take out the NK, but that happened differently as well. All that's left for him now from a narrative standpoint is to try and take what's left of that throne from Dany. I think if he kills Dany instead of Arya killing Dany then Jon will not hold on to the throne because he would have done something that would bear a lifelong feeling of sadness for him. He might then abdicate his claim to the throne for someone else.
In any case, whatever he was he was still the no.1 star of the show till the very last season. This is the first season when he hasn't been the man doing the main action or running the show. Probably killing Dany will be his prize but I won't mind if Arya does that.
I have to agree with jonsa. He'd already fallen out of love with her after finding out she's his aunt, and now's she burning innocents to his horror. I don't think killing her will break him too much. But it's highly possible Arya will deal the finishing blow, certainly. If not Jon were to hand off the throne, who'd he give it to? |
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Post by Aj_June on May 15, 2019 20:54:23 GMT
I think if he kills Dany instead of Arya killing Dany then Jon will not hold on to the throne because he would have done something that would bear a lifelong feeling of sadness for him. He might then abdicate his claim to the throne for someone else.
In any case, whatever he was he was still the no.1 star of the show till the very last season. This is the first season when he hasn't been the man doing the main action or running the show. Probably killing Dany will be his prize but I won't mind if Arya does that.
I have to agree with jonsa. He'd already fallen out of love with her after finding out she's his aunt, and now's she burning innocents to his horror. I don't think killing her will break him too much. But it's highly possible Arya will deal the finishing blow, certainly. If not Jon were to hand off the throne, who'd he give it to? Well, he has kissed her even after that. Although I don't mind if anyone believes he doesn't love Dany anymore. But should be answered well in their next interaction.
As for Jon abdicating his throne : He might not necessarily give his throne to anybody. After Robert's Rebellion Ned Stark & Jon Arryn could have been kings too but they never asserted themselves. Robert was more assertive & flamboyant and so he readily took it and he probably read Ned's nature and he also was a prodigy of Jon Arryn so he was sure of their support. But it was mentioned in the books that the throne could have been taken by Jon or Ned too.
I believe if someone asserts his claim and has enough support then he/she might be made the king/queen. Or they might vote. Starks may have great support because of their association with Vale & Riverrun. Wonder if new boundaries will include north of wall in north too.
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Post by Aj_June on May 15, 2019 20:59:28 GMT
Although I will add that Robert's 1/8 targ bloodline is also listed as one reason that helped him claim the throne.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2019 21:01:05 GMT
I think if he kills Dany instead of Arya killing Dany then Jon will not hold on to the throne because he would have done something that would bear a lifelong feeling of sadness for him. He might then abdicate his claim to the throne for someone else.
In any case, whatever he was he was still the no.1 star of the show till the very last season. This is the first season when he hasn't been the man doing the main action or running the show. Probably killing Dany will be his prize but I won't mind if Arya does that.
I have to agree with jonsa. He'd already fallen out of love with her after finding out she's his aunt, and now's she burning innocents to his horror. I don't think killing her will break him too much. But it's highly possible Arya will deal the finishing blow, certainly. If not Jon were to hand off the throne, who'd he give it to? He would give it to Sansa , that's who I would like to see him give the throne to ,he already did it once before when he was king in the north he left the north to Sansa when he headed to dragonstone in his words he left the north "in good hands " unless all these leaks are true and he leaves it to bran .sansa has proven time after time she will be a good caring queen she's not into cutting off heads or violence she will rule justly ,and be loved by the people , she once told cersei if I'm ever queen I will make them love me , I still want my jonsa theory (Jon and Sansa ruling together ) to be true I don't have much faith in D&D anymore, but will see , I won't loose hope until last credits scrolls
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2019 21:12:23 GMT
I have to agree with jonsa. He'd already fallen out of love with her after finding out she's his aunt, and now's she burning innocents to his horror. I don't think killing her will break him too much. But it's highly possible Arya will deal the finishing blow, certainly. If not Jon were to hand off the throne, who'd he give it to? He would give it to Sansa , that's who I would like to see him give the throne to ,he already did it once before when he was king in the north he left the north to Sansa when he headed to dragonstone  in his words he left the north  "in good hands " unless all these leaks are true and he leaves it to bran .sansa has proven time after time she will be a good caring queen she's not  into cutting off heads or violence she will rule justly ,and be loved by the people , she once told cersei if I'm ever queen I will make them love me , I still want my jonsa theory (Jon and Sansa ruling together ) to be true I don't have much faith in D&D anymore, but will see , I won't loose hope until last credits scrolls Woulda been cool to spoiler tag that. I hadn't read any leaks. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2019 21:15:37 GMT
He would give it to Sansa , that's who I would like to see him give the throne to ,he already did it once before when he was king in the north he left the north to Sansa when he headed to dragonstone in his words he left the north "in good hands " unless all these leaks are true and he leaves it to bran .sansa has proven time after time she will be a good caring queen she's not into cutting off heads or violence she will rule justly ,and be loved by the people , she once told cersei if I'm ever queen I will make them love me , I still want my jonsa theory (Jon and Sansa ruling together ) to be true I don't have much faith in D&D anymore, but will see , I won't loose hope until last credits scrolls Woulda been cool to spoiler tag that. I hadn't read any leaks. Sorry about that wasn't intentional I thought you may have read it I thought I saw your name in that thread , anyway doesn't mean is true and hopefully is not find it hard to believe someone who doesn't want to be lord of anything to end in that position
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Post by CoolJGSâș on May 15, 2019 22:26:45 GMT
I'm hoping they show the cracks in his plot armor. I like Jon but I don't think most would take him as king except to force the story. If they transformed Dany they should transform him to and subvert expectation regarding the throne. I think he should die, even heroically, because he is already dead. We have to learn the purpose of him rising again, but I would be surprised if it would be due to something as minor as who sits on the Throne. If they kill him then it do be a good and will also make sense for he should be dead anyway. But they have taken out NK already and the other enemies are dead so I wouldn't put money on his death. it depends on the showâs intent. So I am positive that the show after the books ended, actually since Dorne and Mereen, was all D and D. However they make stick to Martins finale. The books are not about the Game of Thrones as much as it is about its main title - A Song Of Fire and Ice. So Jon could still have one enemy and especially if Dany decides to go after Sansa or Sansa doesnât bend the knee. Jonâs swan song may be Dany. Heck even in the show they have pushed Jon to be against Dany |
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Post by Marv on May 15, 2019 23:19:44 GMT
He has no moment to hang his hat on this season or his storyline overall.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 16, 2019 6:44:43 GMT
If not Jon were to hand off the throne, who'd he give it to? It's not his to give. The Red Keep is a ruin, a pile of rubble. The Iron Throne is buried in it and it fell on me anyway. It's mine now 
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