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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 16, 2019 8:14:49 GMT
Woulda been cool to spoiler tag that. I hadn't read any leaks. Sorry about that wasn't intentional I thought you may have read it I thought I saw your name in that thread , anyway doesn't mean is true and hopefully is not find it hard to believe someone who doesn't want to be lord of anything to end in that position I suspect these last leaks are fake (the part with Bran). They were written by a different person from those that have proven right so far. Barely anyone will cry for Daenerys any more (I hope those who would will choke instead) but get a box of tissues nonetheless. I remember reading of an event that will make the Red Wedding pale and I'm not certain we had it yet.
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Post by Morgana on May 16, 2019 8:46:57 GMT
I'm hoping they show the cracks in his plot armor. I like Jon but I don't think most would take him as king except to force the story. If they transformed Dany they should transform him to and subvert expectation regarding the throne. I think he should die, even heroically, because he is already dead. We have to learn the purpose of him rising again, but I would be surprised if it would be due to something as minor as who sits on the Throne. Perhaps his purpose is to kill Dany. I don't see him as ruling.
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Post by Morgana on May 16, 2019 8:51:25 GMT
I mean Jon is the biggest part of the series and one of the two most important characters that moved the story since the beginning. And yet they have not given him a single good episode this season. May be they decided to give him something at the end to make his character more memorable. May be he is going to Nissa Nissa? Or give a speech or something? I watch a show called 'Thronecast' which airs after the TV episode. Someone in the show gave what I think was a quite plausible ending. He said Dany will kill them all and rule on the throne - coming full circle as there was a mad Targaryen on the throne at the beginning of the series. He also gave a reasoning for this as being that they want to show that despite everything that has happened over all the past seasons, nothing ever really changes, 'good' doesn't necessarily triumph over evil, and they are back to where they were at the start.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 9:01:51 GMT
I guess he'll kill Dany but imo it'll be uneventful as their relationship hasn't really been formed enough for the audience to feel the impact.
It'll just piss me off even more imo if they do the Nissa Nissa Prophecy storyline when it doesn't seem earned yet they ignored the Valonqar Prophecy as Cersei and Jaime just fucking died basically off screen.
I will say, the biggest supporting actor so far this season has been Cersei. Like, fucking hell. What has she done this season? All this build up to her losing power and she has what? Maybe 30 minutes of screen time this final season?! Jon has been a side character too but imo the injustice to Cersei is far worse.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 16, 2019 9:39:57 GMT
I watch a show called 'Thronecast' which airs after the TV episode. Someone in the show gave what I think was a quite plausible ending. He said Dany will kill them all and rule on the throne - coming full circle as there was a mad Targaryen on the throne at the beginning of the series. He also gave a reasoning for this as being that they want to show that despite everything that has happened over all the past seasons, nothing ever really changes, 'good' doesn't necessarily triumph over evil, and they are back to where they were at the start. "Nothing new under the sun" is as good a moral as any for this story. It is, after all, both something true in that evolution is almost always a slower process than that of political change and a wise decision to leave interpretation as open as possible. The moment an artist appears as giving a "message", he locks himself up in some pigeon hole and goes out of date while more neutral works keep calling for analysis and new interpretation. Having an infertile Daenerys rule by terror is not, however, the best way of conveying this. A split of Westeros into new fragments, bound to face internal turmoil first, then conflict with each other later is another way of going back to the pre-Targaryen past and this is where Bronn comes into play. In Episode 4, he was given this piece of fake-truth to expose: - Highgarden will never belong to a cutthroat. - No? Who were your ancestors, the ones who made your family rich? Fancy lads in silk? They were fucking cutthroats. That's how all the great houses started, isn't it? (No, it's not, but that's what the show says and it might have a purpose.) I understand there is some enigmatic new Prince of Dorne floating around. Sansa is Lady of Winterfell and possibly future ruler of the North. The Lord of Storms End is a blacksmith. I won't be surprised if Bronn the Fucking Cutthroat becomes some new Lann the Clever after killing the right people. The actor said he won't be liked that much after the season, Bronn hasn't earned that yet. So that's a deeper fall back but seeing a bunch of thugs become the new Lords of Divided Westeros would be a plausible alternative.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2019 10:51:23 GMT
I mean Jon is the biggest part of the series and one of the two most important characters that moved the story since the beginning. And yet they have not given him a single good episode this season. May be they decided to give him something at the end to make his character more memorable. May be he is going to Nissa Nissa? Or give a speech or something? I watch a show called 'Thronecast' which airs after the TV episode. Someone in the show gave what I think was a quite plausible ending. He said Dany will kill them all and rule on the throne - coming full circle as there was a mad Targaryen on the throne at the beginning of the series. He also gave a reasoning for this as being that they want to show that despite everything that has happened over all the past seasons, nothing ever really changes, 'good' doesn't necessarily triumph over evil, and they are back to where they were at the start. There was a fat Baratheon on the throne at the beginning of the series.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2019 10:55:05 GMT
I guess he'll kill Dany but imo it'll be uneventful as their relationship hasn't really been formed enough for the audience to feel the impact. It'll just piss me off even more imo if they do the Nissa Nissa Prophecy storyline when it doesn't seem earned yet they ignored the Valonqar Prophecy as Cersei and Jaime just fucking died basically off screen. I will say, the biggest supporting actor so far this season has been Cersei. Like, fucking hell. What has she done this season? All this build up to her losing power and she has what? Maybe 30 minutes of screen time this final season?! Jon has been a side character too but imo the injustice to Cersei is far worse. I like the twist that this was not going to be another big battle and that Cersei, as always, overestimated her intelligence on a matter when she's not familiar with it. She's not really familiar with a lot of things except the sweet, sweet, love of her brother. She was a bonehead.
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Post by Morgana on May 16, 2019 11:53:49 GMT
I watch a show called 'Thronecast' which airs after the TV episode. Someone in the show gave what I think was a quite plausible ending. He said Dany will kill them all and rule on the throne - coming full circle as there was a mad Targaryen on the throne at the beginning of the series. He also gave a reasoning for this as being that they want to show that despite everything that has happened over all the past seasons, nothing ever really changes, 'good' doesn't necessarily triumph over evil, and they are back to where they were at the start. There was a fat Baratheon on the throne at the beginning of the series. True, but there was a mad Targaryan before him.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2019 11:56:48 GMT
There was a fat Baratheon on the throne at the beginning of the series. True, but there was a mad Targaryan before him. Well this is the flaw in episode five. Nothing else matches the Mad King scenario except Dany was made crazy much younger than her dad. To me the crazier ones were Rhaegar and Lyanna so why not have Jon and Dany be OK with her decision. That would be a twist too.
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Post by Morgana on May 16, 2019 11:57:13 GMT
I watch a show called 'Thronecast' which airs after the TV episode. Someone in the show gave what I think was a quite plausible ending. He said Dany will kill them all and rule on the throne - coming full circle as there was a mad Targaryen on the throne at the beginning of the series. He also gave a reasoning for this as being that they want to show that despite everything that has happened over all the past seasons, nothing ever really changes, 'good' doesn't necessarily triumph over evil, and they are back to where they were at the start. "Nothing new under the sun" is as good a moral as any for this story. It is, after all, both something true in that evolution is almost always a slower process than that of political change and a wise decision to leave interpretation as open as possible. The moment an artist appears as giving a "message", he locks himself up in some pigeon hole and goes out of date while more neutral works keep calling for analysis and new interpretation. Having an infertile Daenerys rule by terror is not, however, the best way of conveying this. A split of Westeros into new fragments, bound to face internal turmoil first, then conflict with each other later is another way of going back to the pre-Targaryen past and this is where Bronn comes into play. In Episode 4, he was given this piece of fake-truth to expose: - Highgarden will never belong to a cutthroat. - No? Who were your ancestors, the ones who made your family rich? Fancy lads in silk? They were fucking cutthroats. That's how all the great houses started, isn't it? (No, it's not, but that's what the show says and it might have a purpose.) I understand there is some enigmatic new Prince of Dorne floating around. Sansa is Lady of Winterfell and possibly future ruler of the North. The Lord of Storms End is a blacksmith. I won't be surprised if Bronn the Fucking Cutthroat becomes some new Lann the Clever after killing the right people. The actor said he won't be liked that much after the season, Bronn hasn't earned that yet. So that's a deeper fall back but seeing a bunch of thugs become the new Lords of Divided Westeros would be a plausible alternative. I think, if Dany became ruler, the Kingdoms would split anyway, with Sansa in the North.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 16, 2019 11:59:23 GMT
There was a fat Baratheon on the throne at the beginning of the series. True, but there was a mad Targaryan before him. Mad Targaryen, Fat Baratheon… I wanted to keep the Fair Lannister.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2019 13:53:47 GMT
"Nothing new under the sun" is as good a moral as any for this story. It is, after all, both something true in that evolution is almost always a slower process than that of political change and a wise decision to leave interpretation as open as possible. The moment an artist appears as giving a "message", he locks himself up in some pigeon hole and goes out of date while more neutral works keep calling for analysis and new interpretation. Having an infertile Daenerys rule by terror is not, however, the best way of conveying this. A split of Westeros into new fragments, bound to face internal turmoil first, then conflict with each other later is another way of going back to the pre-Targaryen past and this is where Bronn comes into play. In Episode 4, he was given this piece of fake-truth to expose: - Highgarden will never belong to a cutthroat. - No? Who were your ancestors, the ones who made your family rich? Fancy lads in silk? They were fucking cutthroats. That's how all the great houses started, isn't it? (No, it's not, but that's what the show says and it might have a purpose.) I understand there is some enigmatic new Prince of Dorne floating around. Sansa is Lady of Winterfell and possibly future ruler of the North. The Lord of Storms End is a blacksmith. I won't be surprised if Bronn the Fucking Cutthroat becomes some new Lann the Clever after killing the right people. The actor said he won't be liked that much after the season, Bronn hasn't earned that yet. So that's a deeper fall back but seeing a bunch of thugs become the new Lords of Divided Westeros would be a plausible alternative. I think, if Dany became ruler, the Kingdoms would split anyway, with Sansa in the North. It can’t split unless they find a way to kill Drogon. Pre-crazy it didn’t make sense to split, post-crazy it does but now they have being blown up to contend with
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 16, 2019 14:01:26 GMT
I think, if Dany became ruler, the Kingdoms would split anyway, with Sansa in the North. It can’t split unless they find a way to kill Drogon. Pre-crazy it didn’t make sense to split, post-crazy it does but now they have being blown up to contend with She's going to have to sleep next to him all the time. She smelled of dragon already but that was nothing…
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 16, 2019 16:21:00 GMT
Sorry about that wasn't intentional I thought you may have read it I thought I saw your name in that thread , anyway doesn't mean is true and hopefully is not find it hard to believe someone who doesn't want to be lord of anything to end in that position I suspect these last leaks are fake (the part with Bran). They were written by a different person from those that have proven right so far. Barely anyone will cry for Daenerys any more (I hope those who would will choke instead) but get a box of tissues nonetheless. I remember reading of an event that will make the Red Wedding pale and I'm not certain we had it yet. crossing fingers youre right leo maybe dany/jon get married ? but it will only be a set up to kill her and her remaining armies , love somebody to walk up on her and say sansa sends her regards -
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 16, 2019 16:29:44 GMT
Dang it leak discussion is going to be everywhere.
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Post by Morgana on May 17, 2019 10:07:39 GMT
I think, if Dany became ruler, the Kingdoms would split anyway, with Sansa in the North. It can’t split unless they find a way to kill Drogon. Pre-crazy it didn’t make sense to split, post-crazy it does but now they have being blown up to contend with Maybe Bran will be able to control him, or Jon - he is a Targaryen.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 17, 2019 11:08:31 GMT
It can’t split unless they find a way to kill Drogon. Pre-crazy it didn’t make sense to split, post-crazy it does but now they have being blown up to contend with Maybe Bran will be able to control him, or Jon - he is a Targaryen. Maybe, but I don;t think dragon's switch loyalties that easily. Warging could happen but it's a bit too fan fictiony for my tastes. He would have to stay warged with it.
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