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Post by heeeeey on May 19, 2019 17:10:42 GMT
You ARE a soul that has a temporary body.
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Post by Catman on May 19, 2019 17:16:57 GMT
midichlorians
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 17:20:05 GMT
The human soul weighs circa 453 grams.
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Post by maya55555 on May 19, 2019 19:13:27 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 19, 2019 19:58:13 GMT
Good, midichlorians was one of the dumbest things Lucas did to Star Wars. Best to just sweep that one under the rug. Like Richie having a brother in the first season of "Happy Days".
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Post by faustus5 on May 19, 2019 20:24:58 GMT
Good, midichlorians was one of the dumbest things Lucas did to Star Wars. Best to just sweep that one under the rug. Like Richie having a brother in the first season of "Happy Days". For me, even worse was giving a protocol droid the origin story of having been built by a ten year old Darth Vader to help Mom around the house.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 19, 2019 20:29:34 GMT
Good, midichlorians was one of the dumbest things Lucas did to Star Wars. Best to just sweep that one under the rug. Like Richie having a brother in the first season of "Happy Days". For me, even worse was giving a protocol droid the origin story of having been built by a ten year old Darth Vader to help Mom around the house. It is kinda weird C3P0 didn't seem to recognize or really talk about growing up with Lil Vader in the originals. Was this ever explained? I thought I heard something about his memory being erased.
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Post by heeeeey on May 19, 2019 20:32:33 GMT
For me, even worse was giving a protocol droid the origin story of having been built by a ten year old Darth Vader to help Mom around the house. It is kinda weird C3P0 didn't seem to recognize or really talk about growing up with Lil Vader in the originals. Was this ever explained? I thought I heard something about his memory being erased. Well, you have to admit, you and Faustus's tiny minds have enough of a challenge as it is.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 19, 2019 20:36:18 GMT
It is kinda weird C3P0 didn't seem to recognize or really talk about growing up with Lil Vader in the originals. Was this ever explained? I thought I heard something about his memory being erased. Well, you have to admit, you and Faustus's tiny minds have enough of a challenge as it is. You've been asked numerous times to provide evidence behind how this supposed "soul" works, you can't. I figured this thread would be better suited to talk about plotholes in the Star Wars prequels.
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Post by Aj_June on May 19, 2019 20:50:41 GMT
You ARE a soul that has a temporary body. What about the monster created by Dr. Frankenstein. Has he got a soul too?
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Post by heeeeey on May 19, 2019 21:31:19 GMT
You ARE a soul that has a temporary body. What about the monster created by Dr. Frankenstein. Has he got a soul too? Yes, he had a kind soul. He was representative of the misunderstood outcast of society. The misfit. The story was allegorical in that way.
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Post by lunda2222 on May 20, 2019 0:12:31 GMT
Sorry, not buying it.
The soul, in many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, is the incorporeal essence of a living being. Soul or psyche (Ancient Greek: ψυχή psūkhḗ, of ψύχειν psū́khein, "to breathe") comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. Depending on the philosophical system, a soul can either be mortal or immortal.
For this discussion I am going with the Judeo-Christianity, belief that human beings have immortal souls, which the OP seems to favour.
The problem I have with this is that all theses things are dependent on the feedback of a body. In other words: It requires a body for what you call a soul to grow and expand. A twenty year old are not the same person they where when you where five. A forty year old are not the same person they where when they where twenty etc.
An everlasting existence without any such opportunity is pretty much the worst fate I can think of. I can't prove there isn't a soul, but I hope with every shred of a being it's not.
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Post by heeeeey on May 20, 2019 2:01:48 GMT
Sorry, not buying it. The soul, in many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, is the incorporeal essence of a living being. Soul or psyche (Ancient Greek: ψυχή psūkhḗ, of ψύχειν psū́khein, "to breathe") comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. Depending on the philosophical system, a soul can either be mortal or immortal. For this discussion I am going with the Judeo-Christianity, belief that human beings have immortal souls, which the OP seems to favour. The problem I have with this is that all theses things are dependent on the feedback of a body. In other words: It requires a body for what you call a soul to grow and expand. A twenty year old are not the same person they where when you where five. A forty year old are not the same person they where when they where twenty etc. An everlasting existence without any such opportunity is pretty much the worst fate I can think of. I can't prove there isn't a soul, but I hope with every shred of a being it's not. Wrong.
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Post by goz on May 20, 2019 2:18:56 GMT
Sorry, not buying it. The soul, in many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, is the incorporeal essence of a living being. Soul or psyche (Ancient Greek: ψυχή psūkhḗ, of ψύχειν psū́khein, "to breathe") comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. Depending on the philosophical system, a soul can either be mortal or immortal. For this discussion I am going with the Judeo-Christianity, belief that human beings have immortal souls, which the OP seems to favour. The problem I have with this is that all theses things are dependent on the feedback of a body. In other words: It requires a body for what you call a soul to grow and expand. A twenty year old are not the same person they where when you where five. A forty year old are not the same person they where when they where twenty etc. An everlasting existence without any such opportunity is pretty much the worst fate I can think of. I can't prove there isn't a soul, but I hope with every shred of a being it's not. Wrong. ^ ^ Erudite intellectual, knowledgeable and factual reply with links to scientific papers, philosophical and theological arguments and treatise, precedents, precepts and illustrations with evidence of same. TWAT
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Post by heeeeey on May 20, 2019 3:12:45 GMT
^ ^ Erudite intellectual, knowledgeable and factual reply with links to scientific papers, philosophical and theological arguments and treatise, precedents, precepts and illustrations with evidence of same. TWAT Scientific papers written by and for ignorant twits and pompous asses who love to hear themselves talk? Not necessary.
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Post by goz on May 20, 2019 3:35:32 GMT
^ ^ Erudite intellectual, knowledgeable and factual reply with links to scientific papers, philosophical and theological arguments and treatise, precedents, precepts and illustrations with evidence of same. TWAT Scientific papers written by and for ignorant twits and pompous asses who love to hear themselves talk? Not necessary. That is something anti-intellectuals say because they are too stupid and intentionally ignorant to understand the compendium of acquired human knowledge including science, TWAT.
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Post by lunda2222 on May 20, 2019 3:43:09 GMT
You might be interested in Mormonism. They teach that the human soul evolves and becomes godlike. Who onearth would want that kind of power and responsibillity?
Still it's better than the alternative being discussed.
As for interest? I am interested in most mythologies. Don't believe in any, but I find the subject facinating.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 20, 2019 4:06:39 GMT
Sorry, not buying it. The soul, in many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, is the incorporeal essence of a living being. Soul or psyche (Ancient Greek: ψυχή psūkhḗ, of ψύχειν psū́khein, "to breathe") comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. Depending on the philosophical system, a soul can either be mortal or immortal. For this discussion I am going with the Judeo-Christianity, belief that human beings have immortal souls, which the OP seems to favour. The problem I have with this is that all theses things are dependent on the feedback of a body. In other words: It requires a body for what you call a soul to grow and expand. A twenty year old are not the same person they where when you where five. A forty year old are not the same person they where when they where twenty etc. An everlasting existence without any such opportunity is pretty much the worst fate I can think of. I can't prove there isn't a soul, but I hope with every shred of a being it's not. What if you went with the opposite, that the soul is not immortal? Just the essence of a living being. Soul or psyche comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. And when that living being dies, all that dies with it? Just wondering...
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Post by lunda2222 on May 20, 2019 6:15:36 GMT
What if you went with the opposite, that the soul is not immortal? Just the essence of a living being. Soul or psyche comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. And when that living being dies, all that dies with it? Just wondering... Mortal souls are common in the eastern religions, but not in that way.
Personally I don't think souls exist at all, at least not as something separate from a living being and yes it dies along with us. Not a bad fate when you think about it. It just means you're in the same state you where in before you where born.
The only thing that lives on in you is what people remember about you.
Cattle die and kinsmen die,
thyself too soon must die,
but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
fair fame of one who has earned.
- Håvamål
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Post by heeeeey on May 20, 2019 12:49:15 GMT
A soul is our state of being really, something we symbolically give birth too. It is not a separate entity. Wrong, but amusing how you state that with such authority, as if you know that for a fact. Lol
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