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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 20, 2019 1:09:40 GMT
So I finally watched this film, albeit in a rather cursory fashion. And it was awful. Completely lacked the atmosphere that oozed out of every frame in the original. The deadites have a generic look to them and there's not a single memorable character. The narrative is a carbon copy of what came before, but with none of the subtle humour and no real creativity or vision. There were admittedly a few good gore effects, but overall I found it bland and soulless.
I'll stick with the 1981 film - the best horror flick of the 80s IMO.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 1:17:55 GMT
Thank you.
I don't think the movie is awful, but it is very mediocre imo. The only part of the movie I actually like is the last 10 minutes with the blood rain.
All of the personality and creativity of the original is sucked out and replaced with a lame drug addiction metaphor. Give me a break.
And how can you make a Evil Dead remake and leave out the character that franchise is famous for?
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 20, 2019 1:24:15 GMT
All of the personality and creativity of the original is sucked out and replaced with a lame drug addiction metaphor. Give me a break. And how can you make a Evil Dead remake and leave out the character that franchise is famous for? Yup. I felt like groaning when they went the drug metaphor route. And Evil Dead just isn't right without Ash Williams. I loved Season 1 of Ash Vs Evil Dead, but have yet to see the remaining seasons.
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Post by James on May 20, 2019 1:29:07 GMT
Well I knew you wouldn’t like it, haha. I thought it was decent enough. I feel like there was effort put into it, moreso than a lot of other horror remakes of today, and the raining blood scene is easily the best moment. At the end of the day, it is NO The Evil Dead, but for a remake (or technically sequel since that’s what they’re calling it now... ) it’s solid.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 1:35:45 GMT
All of the personality and creativity of the original is sucked out and replaced with a lame drug addiction metaphor. Give me a break. And how can you make a Evil Dead remake and leave out the character that franchise is famous for? Yup. I felt like groaning when they went the drug metaphor route. And Evil Dead just isn't right without Ash Williams. I loved Season 1 of Ash Vs Evil Dead, but have yet to see the remaining seasons. That's my point. I am mostly just annoyed that they remade it, because if you watch it on it's own terms it is a solid horror movie. Meaning that if the original franchise didn't exist I would probably like the 2013 version.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 1:37:21 GMT
Well I knew you wouldn’t like it, haha. I thought it was decent enough. I feel like there was effort put into it, moreso than a lot of other horror remakes of today, and the raining blood scene is easily the best moment. At the end of the day, it is NO The Evil Dead, but for a remake ( or technically sequel since that’s what they’re calling it now... ) it’s solid.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 20, 2019 1:40:12 GMT
Well I knew you wouldn’t like it, haha. I thought it was decent enough. I feel like there was effort put into it, moreso than a lot of other horror remakes of today, and the raining blood scene is easily the best moment. At the end of the day, it is NO The Evil Dead, but for a remake (or technically sequel since that’s what they’re calling it now... ) it’s solid. Yeah. I've got a thing for classic horror. I enjoy some of the newer stuff as well, but remakes tend to leave me cold. Especially when they remake horror masterpieces (The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Halloween, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Evil Dead).
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 20, 2019 1:42:17 GMT
Yup. I felt like groaning when they went the drug metaphor route. And Evil Dead just isn't right without Ash Williams. I loved Season 1 of Ash Vs Evil Dead, but have yet to see the remaining seasons. That's my point. I am mostly just annoyed that they remade it, because if you watch it on it's own terms it is a solid horror movie. Meaning that if the original franchise didn't exist I would probably like the 2013 version. I mightn't be as critical of it if it were a genuinely original movie, but remakes such as this are always going to appear lame when put up against the originals.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 1:48:32 GMT
That's my point. I am mostly just annoyed that they remade it, because if you watch it on it's own terms it is a solid horror movie. Meaning that if the original franchise didn't exist I would probably like the 2013 version. I mightn't be as critical of it if it were a genuinely original movie, but remakes such as this are always going to appear lame when put up against the originals. Yup. I'd put it along side The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. Not awful, Not good, but completely unnecessary and a waste of money and resources.
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Post by The Pumpkin King on May 20, 2019 2:19:38 GMT
I watched the movie in theaters, which left me with more of an impression. I thought it was okay. I've liked it less as time has gone on, though, which says a lot. When I first watched it I gave it a 6.5/10 stars. I think it's dropped down to 4.5/10 since. Now, I only watch it for scenes and favorite quick moments like the Deadite possessions. Honestly, the deadites are nothing like the original movie. So much about this movie is not like the original movie. I agree, the gore effects were a big highlight of this movie. I'm sick of these PG-13 horror remakes being made. I think out of all of the horror remakes around, I haven't seen every single one, only like 5% of them exceed the original. 15% of them improve on the original in areas. 25% of them are bearable. And 55% of them I watch once and I never watch them again usually. 2013 "Evil Dead" for me falls in that 25% category.
The actors and characters in this movie I thought were going to be written so much better, they weren't. And then when I heard actress Jane Levy, the lead in the film, say she doesn't even like horror movies, she only likes making them. I was like, "Huh." What happened to the scream queens of the '80s? The original Deadite actresses are still doing comic-cons for the original film till this day. "The Evil Dead" of 1981 is among maybe the top 6 favorite movies of mine of all time.
And where was actor Bruce Campbell? Not even just the character of Ash, but no cameo at least? I know he helped stand behind the remake's release, but he is the franchise of this film. "Ash vs Evil Dead" is great, I still have yet to watch season 3. I do think season 1 is better thus far. Too bad the show ended. Hope the opinion helps.
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Post by James on May 20, 2019 2:22:50 GMT
And where was actor Bruce Campbell? Not even just the character of Ash, but no cameo at least? I know he helped stand behind the remake's release, but he is the franchise of this film. Check out the post-credits scene.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 2:27:14 GMT
I watched the movie in theaters, which left me with more of an impression. I thought it was okay. I've liked it less as time has gone on, though, which says a lot. When I first watched it I gave it a 6.5/10 stars. I think it's dropped down to 4.5/10 since. Now, I only watch it for scenes and favorite quick moments like the Deadite possessions. Honestly, the deadites are nothing like the original movie. So much about this movie is not like the original movie. I agree, the gore effects were a big highlight of this movie. I'm sick of these PG-13 horror remakes being made. I think out of all of the horror remakes around, I haven't seen every single one, only like 5% of the them exceed the original. 15% of them improve on the original in areas. 25% of them are bearable. And 55% of them I watch once and I never watch them again usually. 2013 "Evil Dead" for me falls in that 25% category.
The actors and characters in this movie I thought were going to be written so much better, they weren't. And then when I heard actress Jane Levy, the lead in the film, say she doesn't even like horror movies, she only likes making them. I was like, "Huh." What happened to the scream queens of the '80s? The original Deadite actresses are still doing comic-cons for the original film till this day. "The Evil Dead" of 1981 is among maybe the top 6 favorite movies of mine of all time.
And where was actor Bruce Campbell? Not even just the character of Ash, but no cameo at least? I know he helped stand behind the remake's release, but he is the franchise of this film. "Ash vs Evil Dead" is great, I still have yet to watch season 2. I do think season 1 is better thus far. Too bad the show ended. Hope the opinion helps.
That was nice little write up. I more or less agree with everything you said, especially the stuff you wrote about percentages.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 2:52:49 GMT
I think I just figured out the main reason this movie doesn't work.
The original Evil Dead is all personality, while the new version just feels like 50 other modern horror movies. In order to make a successful remake of a good movie, you have to give it a memorable personality of it's own. Martin Scorsese did this with Cape Fear, Peter Jackson with King Kong, David Cronenberg with The Fly etc.
Now before egon comes here and gives me a lecture about Cape Fear being based on a book, Cape Fear's comparison to the 1962 movie is unavoidable for a a couple reasons, most notably because it re-uses Bernard Herrmann's score.
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Post by jcush on May 20, 2019 2:55:47 GMT
I think I just figured out the main reason this movie doesn't work. The original Evil Dead is all personality, while the new version just feels like 50 other modern horror movies. In order to make a successful remake of a good movie, you have to give it a memorable personality of it's own. Martin Scorsese did this with Cape Fear, Peter Jackson with King Kong, David Cronenberg with The Fly etc. Now before egon comes here and gives me a lecture about Cape Fear being based on a book, Cape Fear's comparison to the 1962 movie is unavoidable for a a couple reasons, most notably because it re-uses Bernard Herrmann's score. Plus Peck and Mitchum have cameos in the 1991 version.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 2:59:37 GMT
I think I just figured out the main reason this movie doesn't work. The original Evil Dead is all personality, while the new version just feels like 50 other modern horror movies. In order to make a successful remake of a good movie, you have to give it a memorable personality of it's own. Martin Scorsese did this with Cape Fear, Peter Jackson with King Kong, David Cronenberg with The Fly etc. Now before egon comes here and gives me a lecture about Cape Fear being based on a book, Cape Fear's comparison to the 1962 movie is unavoidable for a a couple reasons, most notably because it re-uses Bernard Herrmann's score. Plus Peck and Mitchum have cameos in the 1991 version. That too. Plus when it comes to the 1991 remake you can feel Scorsese's love of cinema in every frame of the film.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 20, 2019 3:00:16 GMT
I think I just figured out the main reason this movie doesn't work. The original Evil Dead is all personality, while the new version just feels like 50 other modern horror movies. In order to make a successful remake of a good movie, you have to give it a memorable personality of it's own. Martin Scorsese did this with Cape Fear, Peter Jackson with King Kong, David Cronenberg with The Fly etc. Now before egon comes here and gives me a lecture about Cape Fear being based on a book, Cape Fear's comparison to the 1962 movie is unavoidable for a a couple reasons, most notably because it re-uses Bernard Herrmann's score. That's a very valid point. Cronenberg's The Fly has an identity very much its own. Nobody will ever confuse it with the old Vincent Price film. Evil Dead (2013) was far too generic.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on May 20, 2019 3:01:37 GMT
I watched the movie in theaters, which left me with more of an impression. I thought it was okay. I've liked it less as time has gone on, though, which says a lot. When I first watched it I gave it a 6.5/10 stars. I think it's dropped down to 4.5/10 since. Now, I only watch it for scenes and favorite quick moments like the Deadite possessions. Honestly, the deadites are nothing like the original movie. So much about this movie is not like the original movie. I agree, the gore effects were a big highlight of this movie. I'm sick of these PG-13 horror remakes being made. I think out of all of the horror remakes around, I haven't seen every single one, only like 5% of the them exceed the original. 15% of them improve on the original in areas. 25% of them are bearable. And 55% of them I watch once and I never watch them again usually. 2013 "Evil Dead" for me falls in that 25% category.
The actors and characters in this movie I thought were going to be written so much better, they weren't. And then when I heard actress Jane Levy, the lead in the film, say she doesn't even like horror movies, she only likes making them. I was like, "Huh." What happened to the scream queens of the '80s? The original Deadite actresses are still doing comic-cons for the original film till this day. "The Evil Dead" of 1981 is among maybe the top 6 favorite movies of mine of all time.
And where was actor Bruce Campbell? Not even just the character of Ash, but no cameo at least? I know he helped stand behind the remake's release, but he is the franchise of this film. "Ash vs Evil Dead" is great, I still have yet to watch season 2. I do think season 1 is better thus far. Too bad the show ended. Hope the opinion helps.
Great write-up and I must also commend your analysis of the quality of horror remakes. 5% surpassing the originals sounds about right.
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Post by The Pumpkin King on May 20, 2019 3:08:29 GMT
And where was actor Bruce Campbell? Not even just the character of Ash, but no cameo at least? I know he helped stand behind the remake's release, but he is the franchise of this film. Check out the post-credits scene. I knew I was forgetting something! Or something was off about my facts, ha. Thank you for the reminder. The "End Credits" score/dialogue was an awesome touch to the ending of this film.
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Post by moviemouth on May 20, 2019 3:10:56 GMT
I think I just figured out the main reason this movie doesn't work. The original Evil Dead is all personality, while the new version just feels like 50 other modern horror movies. In order to make a successful remake of a good movie, you have to give it a memorable personality of it's own. Martin Scorsese did this with Cape Fear, Peter Jackson with King Kong, David Cronenberg with The Fly etc. Now before egon comes here and gives me a lecture about Cape Fear being based on a book, Cape Fear's comparison to the 1962 movie is unavoidable for a a couple reasons, most notably because it re-uses Bernard Herrmann's score. That's a very valid point. Cronenberg's The Fly has an identity very much its own. Nobody will ever confuse it with the old Vincent Price film. Evil Dead (2013) was far too generic. Thank you. I am one of the few people who like the original The Fly and the remake almost equally. They are both terrific movies for completely different reasons imo. Oh, and at least Texas Chainsaw Massacre gave us R. Lee Ermey, who in my opinion is one of the great horror movie villains. Most of the stuff around his character is bad, but he is terrific. That is another flaw of Evil Dead. It removes the great character of Ash, but doesn't give us a memorable character to replace him. So I am now stuck watching a bunch of boring characters, which just makes Bruce Campbell's absence even more distracting. It is kind of like if the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake left out Leatherface. The Leatherface in the remake isn't very effective, but at least he is there. Why don't they remake Escape from New York while they are at it and remove the character of Snake Plisskin.
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Post by The Pumpkin King on May 20, 2019 3:25:53 GMT
That's a very valid point. Cronenberg's The Fly has an identity very much its own. Nobody will ever confuse it with the old Vincent Price film. Evil Dead (2013) was far too generic. Thank you. I am one of the few people who like the original The Fly and the remake almost equally. They are both terrific movies for completely different reasons imo. Oh, and at least Texas Chainsaw Massacre gave us R. Lee Ermey, who in my opinion is one of the great horror movie villains. Most of the stuff around his character is bad, but he is terrific. That is another flaw of Evil Dead. It removes the great character of Ash, but doesn't give us a memorable character to replace him. So I am now stuck watching a bunch of boring characters, which just makes Bruce Campbell's absence even more distracting. I guess we're the only few people who like both versions of the movies "The Fly". The original was an awesome movie, I haven't seen it in recent years but anything Vincent Price did was some creepy, eerie fun. And the remake was director Cronenberg's mad scientist vision come to life.
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