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Post by Blue on Feb 16, 2017 21:31:18 GMT
Firefly discussions here. Fox apparently is interested in resurrecting the series.
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Post by Catman on Feb 16, 2017 22:58:10 GMT
That would be cool.
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Post by TheSowIsMine on Feb 17, 2017 8:26:30 GMT
Man, I love this show. I thin k its also one of the few show where a revival would work. As long as the cast is the same of course(minus our leaf in the wind ). But seriously, what is it with Fox and their revival of their canceled/retired shows? Are they out of ideas, or did they figure out they cancel their shows way too soon?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Feb 17, 2017 14:06:23 GMT
I still mourn Firefly.
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Post by lnoland on Feb 18, 2017 9:42:48 GMT
Man, I love this show. I thin k its also one of the few show where a revival would work. As long as the cast is the same of course(minus our leaf in the wind ). But seriously, what is it with Fox and their revival of their canceled/retired shows? Are they out of ideas, or did they figure out they cancel their shows way too soon? Well, given that Fox has canceled shows with as few as one episode airing (really gave them a lot of time to build a fanbase) it's possible that some in the company might decide that some shows deserve more of a chance than they were given. On the other hand, that presumes that they have a clue. It would be difficult for me to have enthusiasm out of the box for a Firefly reboot without Book and Wash, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be ready to be won over. I loved the show and many shows have demonstrated that with good writing and direction even the loss of some of the most beloved characters is far from fatal (N.C.I.S. has lost several over the years) and of the original Firefly cast there wasn't a weak character in the bunch so there's plenty to work with.
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Post by Blue on Feb 21, 2017 4:03:32 GMT
I think the show would work without Wash and Book if it were a continuation that took x years after Serenity left off. And because it's a sci-fi show with fantasy elements, who's to say there's not a way to bring back Wash?
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Post by macpro75 on Feb 21, 2017 6:55:53 GMT
Firefly discussions here. Fox apparently is interested in resurrecting the series. I was thrilled to see Firefly/Serenity has its own section! Thank you (and your team) for that!
I hadn't heard anything about Fox wanting to resurrect the series. I know that occasionally there is a rumour among the fans, but I've heard of Fox itself being interested. It would make sense, of course since I don't think most of the cast is currently working on any long-term projects, especially now that Castle has been cancelled. I only wish that if it's true, Ron Glass were still alive to see it. (RIP )
I've always imagined Fox executives crying over the revenue they lost by first messing with the program and then cancelling before it ever had a chance. Every time I see it mentioned on a best list I imagine them all wishing they had more episodes to sell. I have to force myself not to mentally gloat and imagine idiot executives in bespoke suits standing around staring at their pink slips. Okay, I allow myself some time to gloat just a little before I force myself to stop.
Has there been any real discussion (public or leaked) about reviving the series or is it still just a rumour?
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Post by macpro75 on Feb 21, 2017 8:26:17 GMT
I think the show would work without Wash and Book if it were a continuation that took x years after Serenity left off. And because it's a sci-fi show with fantasy elements, who's to say there's not a way to bring back Wash? SPOILERS for Serenity the movie follow:
I've always thought that they might reintegrate Wash this way: He would just show up at Serenity one day. We eventually would learn that he had been taken by the Alliance right after Zoe and Mal had to leave the ship. The Alliance patched him up and sent him to Mal as a brain-washed mole / double agent / Manchurian candidate. As the Operative warned Mal, the Alliance neither forgives nor forgets -- and while the information on Reavers is out, we (and they) do not know what is still in River's mind and they probably still want her back as a weapon. Also, Mal and his crew are aware of what is happening in the Alliance "schools" which makes them a threat to the Alliance's existence.
I always thought that they could play Wash either strictly evil or perhaps so messed up that he rotates through his old self, his evil self, and possibly even some wacky, semi-insane version of himself. (Alan Tudyk has definitely shown that he can play evil, suave, and wacky characters convincingly.) A lot can come of a scenario like this: Will Mal and Zoe accept him, especially if they suspect or know that the Alliance is trying to use him against the crew? Will they try to help him? How would they deal with Wash as a threat? Does he know he's a threat to those he loves and if so, how will he handle it? Can he work his way back to his old self? Can the crew forgive him if he becomes evil? Can the crew (and ultimately we, the audience) accept him? There would certainly be a wealth of storylines that could follow a situation like this. As an aside, I also, I wonder if River and the crew would want to try to expose the Alliance academies or at least try to help the ones who are stuck inside and being hurt.
Whenever I bring up this possible solution, I always hear that "dead is dead" and that I'm foolishly holding out hope that Wash will return. However, Joss did go on record that should there be a sequel, the entire cast would return, and "not in a lame way" (I'm paraphrasing from memory.) And the Firefly mythology has already shown numerous medical advances: reattaching a severed ear after a day or more without so much as a scar, removing or moving nerve clusters, Niska killing Mal and then reviving him quite easily, removing all of someone's vital organs and replacing them with synthetic ones, etc etc etc.
OR: They could just open on Simon's surgery with Wash resting comfortably, the funeral was a sham to throw off the Alliance. This could have been foreshadowed by Mal's line to the Operative to the effect that the Alliance would be after the Operative (in part for) "patching up our hurt". They managed to get Serenity back, so I don't feel it's implausible that the Operative might also have helped Wash, perhaps as part of him seeking a sort of redemption. Good characters becoming evil and vise versa, forgiveness, family, over-arching impossible missions, and seeking redemption are all typical of Joss' work.
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Post by macpro75 on Feb 21, 2017 8:29:44 GMT
Me too.
And Ron Glass' death was one of the few that really shook me. [RIP]
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Post by macpro75 on Feb 21, 2017 8:44:07 GMT
Well, given that Fox has canceled shows with as few as one episode airing (really gave them a lot of time to build a fanbase) it's possible that some in the company might decide that some shows deserve more of a chance than they were given. On the other hand, that presumes that they have a clue. On the other hand, that presumes that they have a clue. That made me laugh out loud. Thanks! It would be difficult for me to have enthusiasm out of the box for a Firefly reboot without Book and Wash, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be ready to be won over. I agree. I think that I would be cautiously optimistic, hoping for the best but prepared for the worst.
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Post by lnoland on Feb 22, 2017 3:29:12 GMT
I think the show would work without Wash and Book if it were a continuation that took x years after Serenity left off. And because it's a sci-fi show with fantasy elements, who's to say there's not a way to bring back Wash? SPOILERS for Serenity the movie follow:
I've always thought that they might reintegrate Wash this way: He would just show up at Serenity one day. We eventually would learn that he had been taken by the Alliance right after Zoe and Mal had to leave the ship. The Alliance patched him up and sent him to Mal as a brain-washed mole / double agent / Manchurian candidate. As the Operative warned Mal, the Alliance neither forgives nor forgets -- and while the information on Reavers is out, we (and they) do not know what is still in River's mind and they probably still want her back as a weapon. Also, Mal and his crew are aware of what is happening in the Alliance "schools" which makes them a threat to the Alliance's existence.
I don't doubt that they could bring Wash back, or that they would want to bring him back. I would only hope that, however they do it, it is believable and not cheesy. I watch a lot of TV and there are too many where the characters are great, the premise interesting, but they expect me to suspend disbelief in order to accept some preposterous nonsense rather than investing some time in decent writing. Not what I would expect from Joss but even if they bring the show back it isn't clear what Joss's level of involvement would be. While your scenario would fit the show quite well, I have a personal aversion to the idea -- namely I'm getting tired of the good/evil switch premise. So many shows have relied so heavily on the concept that it has ruined it for me. When I heard that Jane Espenson was one of the writers on Once Upon a Time I was pretty excited. I started watching the show, got invested in the characters and generally really liked the show. At this point, however, at the beginning of every season I debate whether to continue watching or not as I just about need to maintain a spreadsheet to keep track of who is currently good and who is currently evil and it drives me crazy. No offense, but I'd prefer that they go some other way with Wash.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 1:52:02 GMT
I'd like to see a new Firefly series.
But DO NOT bring Wash back to life! That would be such a total cheat on the audience. If you establish that people can come back from the dead in your universe, you instantly wipe out the tension from any dangerous situation - "We might die!" say the characters. "Well so what if they do, they'll just come back like Wash did" says the audience.
Look at Buffy. They established that you could come back from the dead, and then spent years tiptoeing around that. "Oh, well, it's only if you died a magical death. And, um, you can only do it once. And..." Because once death is not permanent, you just can't write a series properly any more.
Now if you want the actor back, then say the Alliance cloned him from tissue samples and have a clone come back. Only make it a completely different character! Not necessarily evil, but different.
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Post by lnoland on Feb 27, 2017 3:44:01 GMT
I'd like to see a new Firefly series. But DO NOT bring Wash back to life! That would be such a total cheat on the audience. If you establish that people can come back from the dead in your universe, you instantly wipe out the tension from any dangerous situation - "We might die!" say the characters. "Well so what if they do, they'll just come back like Wash did" says the audience. Look at Buffy. They established that you could come back from the dead, and then spent years tiptoeing around that. "Oh, well, it's only if you died a magical death. And, um, you can only do it once. And..." Because once death is not permanent, you just can't write a series properly any more. Now if you want the actor back, then say the Alliance cloned him from tissue samples and have a clone come back. Only make it a completely different character! Not necessarily evil, but different. For what it's worth, Buffy came back twice. But while I hear what you are saying, I'm not sure I agree that it necessarily cheats the audience in any way -- but like I said, it would have to be believable and in a 'verse without magic, that's a lot tougher sell. Of course, coming back from the dead isn't the only option to bringing back a character. Flashbacks are a possible approach -- whole stories have been told in flashback -- but admittedly, it is a limited tool. Another approach, though it would have its own difficulties, is to tell the story from a different point in the timeline, before the events of "Serenity". The series was largely episodic, anyway, and the primary long-running arc -- the hunt for River Tam -- wasn't exactly resolved, so it doesn't really serve as a spoiler for episodes earlier in the timeline. The big problem is that the actors will be older than they were in "Serenity" and that won't get better with time so there would always be a bit of a disconnect there if they were to take that approach.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 15:46:00 GMT
I'd like to see a new Firefly series. But DO NOT bring Wash back to life! That would be such a total cheat on the audience. If you establish that people can come back from the dead in your universe, you instantly wipe out the tension from any dangerous situation - "We might die!" say the characters. "Well so what if they do, they'll just come back like Wash did" says the audience. Look at Buffy. They established that you could come back from the dead, and then spent years tiptoeing around that. "Oh, well, it's only if you died a magical death. And, um, you can only do it once. And..." Because once death is not permanent, you just can't write a series properly any more. Now if you want the actor back, then say the Alliance cloned him from tissue samples and have a clone come back. Only make it a completely different character! Not necessarily evil, but different. For what it's worth, Buffy came back twice. But only one of them was a magical death. The trouble with doing flashbacks or prequels is that all the actors are now more than a decade older than they were in Serenity, and nearly 15 years older than they were in Firefly. It would lack a certain plausibility to have them playing the same characters twenty years ago.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 13, 2017 8:19:57 GMT
River’s entire fight with the Reavers in Serenity is awesome, but my favourite part is where she leans back and sweeps the blade around at them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 9:56:10 GMT
The show was ok.
But i am pretty indifferent for it to be picked up again.
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Post by pk9 on Apr 26, 2017 22:53:10 GMT
Random thought of the day...
In the episode "Safe", River says "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems."
I just realized this actually happened on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, in the episode "The Wish". I'm not sure how long it took, though.
Was this an intentional reference to Buffy?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 27, 2017 13:22:14 GMT
Hmm, that's a good question. Now I'll have to time it.
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