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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 22, 2019 19:43:44 GMT
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How did everyone know that Jon killed Dany? Did that dumb ass just tell everyone? Drogon had taken her, the evidence, away. No one would have known. His dumb ass is honest to a fault! WTF?
And if he did tell everyone why didn't the unsullied or Dothraki kill him immediately? How did he live long enough to even be a prisoner?
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Post by Vegas on May 22, 2019 20:10:46 GMT
These... and many other important questions... will be answered in the next episode of Never.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 20:21:07 GMT
SPOILERS just in case
How did everyone know that Jon killed Dany? Did that dumb ass just tell everyone? Drogon had taken her, the evidence, away. No one would have known. His dumb ass is honest to a fault! WTF?
And if he did tell everyone why didn't the unsullied or Dothraki kill him immediately? How did he live long enough to even be a prisoner? I doubt he'd try to hide it. He's not the sort to disown his actions.
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Post by Marv on May 22, 2019 21:42:47 GMT
He told them. He probably expected death...maybe even welcomed it. He seemed to have remorse about it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 22, 2019 21:56:34 GMT
Why would he hide it?
The real question is why Grey didn’t kill him.
I mean it’s a smart political move but Grey Worm is not a politician and Dany was killing everyone. He was already willing to fight to keep him prisoner.
I would have totally skewered Jon if I were him.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 22, 2019 22:16:28 GMT
Well, we pretty much have to write a lot of the story ourselves with assumptions at this point. I assume that Jon had to pass at least some Unsullied to get to Dany. I doubt Drogon was the only protection measure taken (no matter how intimidating he was/is). She had just previously given a speech in which she talked about continuing on against her enemies, so I assume she would have a lot in place to guard her against those people who want to stop her from breaking the wheel... So when they saw the blood on the floor in the throne room, the lack of Dany, and Jon just standing there like a fool, it's likely they were able to put two-and-two together. I could be wrong. Until D&D or the other writers say otherwise, I'll just implement that into my head canon.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 23, 2019 1:26:26 GMT
So when they saw the blood on the floor in the throne room, the lack of Dany, and Jon just standing there like a fool, it's likely they were able to put two-and-two together. Drogon is complicit for hiding the body. That's why Bran wants to find him, so Tyrion can put the stupid beast on trial.
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Post by Morgana on May 23, 2019 10:46:29 GMT
SPOILERS just in case
How did everyone know that Jon killed Dany? Did that dumb ass just tell everyone? Drogon had taken her, the evidence, away. No one would have known. His dumb ass is honest to a fault! WTF?
And if he did tell everyone why didn't the unsullied or Dothraki kill him immediately? How did he live long enough to even be a prisoner? I was wondering that, myself. Also why wouldn't Greyworm kill Jon right away? It makes no sense that he left him alive until the council got there.
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Post by Morgana on May 23, 2019 10:48:58 GMT
So when they saw the blood on the floor in the throne room, the lack of Dany, and Jon just standing there like a fool, it's likely they were able to put two-and-two together. Drogon is complicit for hiding the body. That's why Bran wants to find him, so Tyrion can put the stupid beast on trial. I was wondering why Bran wanted to find Drogon. Maybe he's thinking he might have use for him in case of any rebellions against his rule. (I wish.)
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Post by Winter_King on May 23, 2019 10:51:56 GMT
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How did everyone know that Jon killed Dany? Did that dumb ass just tell everyone? Drogon had taken her, the evidence, away. No one would have known. His dumb ass is honest to a fault! WTF?
Yes. In fact, I'd argue it would've been out of character for him not tell anyone. Most likely because North would've attacked the Unsullied and the Dothraki if they did it. Plus it's possible that he didn't just told Unsullied but also told Ser Davos and the remaining Northern bannermen so it wasn't just Grey Worm's decision.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 23, 2019 11:39:35 GMT
SPOILERS just in case
How did everyone know that Jon killed Dany? Did that dumb ass just tell everyone? Drogon had taken her, the evidence, away. No one would have known. His dumb ass is honest to a fault! WTF?
Yes. In fact, I'd argue it would've been out of character for him not tell anyone. Most likely because North would've attacked the Unsullied and the Dothraki if they did it. Plus it's possible that he didn't just told Unsullied but also told Ser Davos and the remaining Northern bannermen so it wasn't just Grey Worm's decision. I'm not sure why Grey Worm would care if the Northmen attack. Your ruler is murdered, you still fight for the ruler. He had no justice system set up, no plan to rule himself, and raised to kill.
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Post by Marendil on May 23, 2019 12:06:16 GMT
Yes. In fact, I'd argue it would've been out of character for him not tell anyone. Most likely because North would've attacked the Unsullied and the Dothraki if they did it. Plus it's possible that he didn't just told Unsullied but also told Ser Davos and the remaining Northern bannermen so it wasn't just Grey Worm's decision. I'm not sure why Grey Worm would care if the Northmen attack. Your ruler is murdered, you still fight for the ruler. He had no justice system set up, no plan to rule himself, and raised to kill. But no orders, he was a soldier not a brigand.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 23, 2019 12:37:00 GMT
I'm not sure why Grey Worm would care if the Northmen attack. Your ruler is murdered, you still fight for the ruler. He had no justice system set up, no plan to rule himself, and raised to kill. But no orders, he was a soldier not a brigand. He did have orders to kill her enemies.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 23, 2019 12:54:14 GMT
I'm not sure why Grey Worm would care if the Northmen attack. Your ruler is murdered, you still fight for the ruler. He had no justice system set up, no plan to rule himself, and raised to kill. Grey Worm brought Tyrion to a council of Lords and Ladies, willing to accept their authority to decide something about him. We would then surmise he would accept their authority about Jon but he did not, saying he would decide what they do with their prisoner. Yet he had had that prisoner for as long as Tyrion and not decided on him? Why not? This obvious inconsistency has only one explanation: plot contrivance. Grey Worm does what he does so the script can unfold as wanted, not for reasons the story can provide. He keeps Jon Snow alive for the same retarded reason Davos risked his life around his corpse in S6E01. The writing didn't get worse, it just stayed at that moron pleasing level it has had for three seasons.
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Post by Marendil on May 23, 2019 13:02:02 GMT
But no orders, he was a soldier not a brigand. He did have orders to kill her enemies. But she was dead and he wanted justice, not vengeance. He'd seen first hand the aftereffects of the latter in Meereen.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 23, 2019 13:53:47 GMT
He did have orders to kill her enemies. But she was dead and he wanted justice, not vengeance. He'd seen first hand the aftereffects of the latter in Meereen. it wasn’t about vengeance. It was about Danys rules for justice. He never answered to the rules of Westeros. If he was simply some brainless soldier there was no reason to keep control of the city in the first place.
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Post by Marendil on May 23, 2019 15:10:14 GMT
But she was dead and he wanted justice, not vengeance. He'd seen first hand the aftereffects of the latter in Meereen. it wasn’t about vengeance. It was about Danys rules for justice. He never answered to the rules of Westeros. If he was simply some brainless soldier there was no reason to keep control of the city in the first place. Dany's rules were for Cersei's followers, Jon fought Cersei.
I think ultimately Grey Worm wanted vindication for razing and sacking the city, he must have known on some level that was a contributing factor to Jon killing Dany. The only ones who could offer that were the Lords of Westeros, thus he went to them. Otherwise he was in Cersei's position, except now the city was rubble and essentially worthless. If he kills Jon his choices and chances diminish to nothing, he has to think of his army as well.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 23, 2019 15:31:57 GMT
it wasn’t about vengeance. It was about Danys rules for justice. He never answered to the rules of Westeros. If he was simply some brainless soldier there was no reason to keep control of the city in the first place. Dany's rules were for Cersei's followers, Jon fought Cersei.
I think ultimately Grey Worm wanted vindication for razing and sacking the city, he must have known on some level that was a contributing factor to Jon killing Dany. The only ones who could offer that were the Lords of Westeros, thus he went to them. Otherwise he was in Cersei's position, except now the city was rubble and essentially worthless. If he kills Jon his choices and chances diminish to nothing, he has to think of his army as well.
are you think Jon killing Dany meant they were still allies? Grey Worm did not go to them. They came to meet him and to form a kingsmoot. If it were up to them Jon would be free. Grey Worm was making decisions and compromises weeks after Dany was killed and controlled Kings Landing.
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Post by Marendil on May 23, 2019 15:52:33 GMT
Dany's rules were for Cersei's followers, Jon fought Cersei.
I think ultimately Grey Worm wanted vindication for razing and sacking the city, he must have known on some level that was a contributing factor to Jon killing Dany. The only ones who could offer that were the Lords of Westeros, thus he went to them. Otherwise he was in Cersei's position, except now the city was rubble and essentially worthless. If he kills Jon his choices and chances diminish to nothing, he has to think of his army as well.
are you think Jon killing Dany meant they were still allies? Grey Worm did not go to them. They came to meet him and to form a kingsmoot. If it were up to them Jon would be free. Grey Worm was making decisions and compromises weeks after Dany was killed and controlled Kings Landing. No, just pointing out that order didn't cover this situation.
Grey Worm went to them with Tyrion, the man who answered Danerys' charge of treason with 'and you destroyed a city' before flinging his Hand of the Queen badge amidst the rubble. I think the 'Kingsmoot' was impromptu, at least that's the impression I got.
Grey Worm's position was akin to holding the Pyramid in Meereen, it was pretty precarious, that army had to eat too. Jon is essentially a hostage, killing him outright just diminishes his assets. He can come to terms with the Lords of Westeros or kill Jon and reap the whirlwind.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 23, 2019 16:22:28 GMT
are you think Jon killing Dany meant they were still allies? Grey Worm did not go to them. They came to meet him and to form a kingsmoot. If it were up to them Jon would be free. Grey Worm was making decisions and compromises weeks after Dany was killed and controlled Kings Landing. No, just pointing out that order didn't cover this situation.
Grey Worm went to them with Tyrion, the man who answered Danerys' charge of treason with 'and you destroyed a city' before flinging his Hand of the Queen badge amidst the rubble. I think the 'Kingsmoot' was impromptu, at least that's the impression I got.
Grey Worm's position was akin to holding the Pyramid in Meereen, it was pretty precarious, that army had to eat too. Jon is essentially a hostage, killing him outright just diminishes his assets. He can come to terms with the Lords of Westeros or kill Jon and reap the whirlwind.
I doubt it was impromptu. Otherwise there was little reason for all of them to be there. What was impromptu was asking Tyrion his opinion. They specifically said they couldn’t do anything until they picked who would rule and it was just in regards to Tyrion. It’s not at all like holding Mereen but if we were to assume that then we have to also assume that Grey Worm was in control as he was in Mereen militarily. Jon was not an asset at the time he murdered Dany. He was simply a murderer of Grey Worms leader and traitor to Dany himself which Grey Worm knows means death- instant death no less. Jon became a bargaining chip only for his own life. To me it’s silly to think that Grey Worm killed anyone who is a perceived threat to Dany but all of a sudden is so stupid he no longer knows what to do once someone actually kills her.
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