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Post by stargazer1682 on May 23, 2019 4:54:47 GMT
Yeah, I'm just getting around to this episode; that's how this season has been.... "Previously on Arrow...."
[Emiko sets a trap and Team Arrow are caught in an explosion]  You know, explosions on this show are super ineffective. The island blowing up hardly killed anyone, the worst this explosion did was damage Diggle's helmet and Dinah lost her staffs. Hell, Dinah's costume doesn't even give her full body coverage and she barely has a scratch. They had me worried about Renee for a second there....   Here we go, three minutes in and we're already off to the races with the stupid shit. So all of the bullshit misdirection of clearing the team in the most roundabout way possible in the last episode was completely undermined in this episode? Fuck you writers. That has to be some kind of record time. I might have cared if they bothered to make me care about them covering for Roy in the previous episode, or paced it out so that the turn around was literally the next episode. I'm behind watching this shit; it's been almost two weeks since I watched the last episode and still seems too quick of turn around. At least in terms of they way they set it up. And seriously, 'Just let me give my friend a hug first,'? - I honestly can't decide if that was a dipshit move on the part of officer grumpy pants or not; this show has made me way too cynical to believe that a competent police officer making an arrest would have been okay with it, exactly for the shit Felicity pulls as a result. Oh good, I was hoping we were going to get more flash forward crap. "We have to destroy Archer" "We can't. We tried that once and it didn't work and it's way more advanced now." Well, I guess the only way is to go back in time and have Sara Connor go to Cyberdyne and kill Miles Dyson while Skynet is still in its infancy.... So did Oliver's hallucination just help pull him out of the wreckage, then assist in popping his.... kidney?.... back into place? Oh no, whatever will Oliver do without his bow??? Because he's apparently virtually useless without it??  "It is insane that we both had secret half sisters." "Well yours didn't try to kill you, did she?" No, she just tried coming onto him.... Oh, so it was really no big deal Oliver's bow broke... Ah, the dulcet tones of Team Arrow backbiting and questioning every decision some of them make. I miss this, it takes me back to fond memories of last season.  This is an observation apropos of nothing, but Felicity's hair looks unusually dark in the Bunker. So much so I rewound the episode to the earlier point when the police came to arrest her; and it kind of looks lighter in that scene, it's hard to tell, but it's clearly lighter in the flashforward - which, seeing as how it's also shorter in the future scenes suggests that either the shorter hair or the longer hair are probably a wig. And seeing how her hair color in the future scenes looks more like it does in her photos away from the show, I'd guess it's probably the longer hair; which they couldn't be bothered to get the color right on.... Dear God, where are there two Felicities on the show now? One was bad enough; the second one is like Annie Edisonon crack, but without Alison Brie's charisma. Gee, I wonder if Roy breathes in the deadly gas....? Emiko definitely let go of the arrow at a range that, ostensibly for that weapon would effectively be point blank; and Felicity did not blurt out that she was pregnant before we heard the arrow release - so how fuck is she still alive??? I mean, apart from the plot convenience that pretty much gives everyone but Diggle and Oliver a free pass to smoke a pack a day and play with liquid mercury, because we know they're still alive in 20 years? So Dinah, Rene and Roy don't find out about Oliver and Felicity's kid for 20 years, but Felicity 2.0 does? Why the fuck are the B-stars from Arrow interviewing each other about John Fucking Wick? Are either of them in this movie? No? I have no clue, since I don't care enough to look it up, but I'm assuming it's just a shameless corporate cross promotion. Augh, what is this shit about FauxTommy talking to Oliver about a clean slate? What is the point at this stage in the story where the writers know Oliver ostensibly doesn't have much of a future left? For the second year in a row they take the effort to bring the actor back to play Tommy and for the second year in a row they piss away the opportunity with a stupid story. Honestly, I don't know what they should do about Roy after what happened, but Arrow being Arrow, I can almost guarantee that whatever the characters decide is the exact opposite of what they should do. The whole "bloodlust" and Lazarus pit explanation, though legitimate, probably wouldn't stand up in a court of law; they can't account for any extenuating circumstances that wouldn't be tantamount to him saying, "I went crazy because of magic!". So, yeah, on the one hand, the criminal court system, which already has many flaws to begin with, is ill-equipped to pass judgement on the supernatural element of what transpired; and yet, innocent people are dead, through no fault of their own and Roy legitimately wants to atone for that, bloodlust or no, he has to find some peace of mind. Again, the penal system being what it is, it's debatable he'd find much of that in there, unless they threw him into solitary; and that is hardly a better fate. It makes me think of Faith's arc on Buffy and Angel; and while I won't get into the specifics here, to avoid spoilers or a tangent, suffice it to say that the Buffyverse did it better than what Arrow's doing. Oh FFS, Felicity 2.0 is the one to suggest putting up a proverbial firewall around Mia? She's going to be the one who turned Archer into what it becomes in the future, isn't she? Mia: "When I found out mom was still being a vigilante, I didn't wallow...." Now, you pouted and ran away.... There must be no traffic in Star City that Emiko can blow up the building, taunt Felicity in the Bunker, then go back to the building she blew up just in time to find Team Arrow on their way out. And it just occurred to me that she left the building after it exploded without confirming it killed anyone; and then was completely unsurprised by how ineffective the explosion was when she saw the whole team alive and well.... "What do you think John Wick could learn from Team Arrow?" Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Is this what's going to help this movie bring in the viewers, the fans of Arrow who give a shit what what's-her-name and that other guy think about the movie? "It's over." "Is it? I know about your baby."  People get paid to write this shit, folks; let that sink in for a moment. Apparently I typed the word "fuck" too many times and broke the board for a minute there.... They almost had me, for a second, after Oliver shot Emiko and then Diggle tumbled over with a an arrow in the gut. I thought it was strange that, given the amount time it took for Oliver to fire that Emiko did nothing to deflect it or get out of the way. I then made the mistake of hitting play while simultaneously trying to look for something in the newspaper – which was a dumb mistake, because obviously I can’t pay attention to what’s on the TV at the same time (at least I can’t; that’s why I have to pause when typing my impressions; and why it takes me at least twice as long these days to get through episode.) So I thought I missed something where John got legitimately shot and was going to die – which I though, briefly, was an intriguing twist, because I didn’t see it coming. Mind you, it wasn’t until I backed up and then saw the whole thing through, with the rest of the team laid out and then Oliver coming to, screaming, and I knew it was a cheat, that it occurred to me that Diggle can’t die any time soon either, since he has to be around at least long enough to tell Connor to keep an eye on Mia….. So here again writers, fuck you. It’s just more proof of what I’ve always thought when it comes to these sort of ploys – the lie is better. So Oliver's imaginary friend snaps him out of his concussion induced hallucination? Oh, I think I know the speech Tommy is trying to give.... So he was unconscious the entire time. Well, that explains some of the shit with Tommy, but it's still pretty lame. Wait, Emiko said he she knew about the baby, which she does - how the fuck would Oliver know that; unless.....God dammit, was the whole fucking thing in Oliver's head?  Augh, no; and I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. On the one hand, the whole "it was all a dream" thing is generally a pretty weak plot device, but on the other.....see everything above.... Because of course William got himself captured; because for some reason the writers can't seem to help but make him completely useless. Speaking of useless - what the hell SCPD? This is why you can't have anything nice.... Seriously, how does Emiko have the sort of manpower to take on an entire police department head on with virtually no resistance? And how the fuck did officer grumpy mistake her for Oliver, even with the mask?? Jesus Christ, Oliver, just because you don't want to kill Emiko now, it doesn't mean you couldn't wound her or otherwise disable/disarm her so she could be taken into custody. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 7:57:07 GMT
Thanks for posting that review stargazer1682 and sharing your thoughts. A bit on and off topic but am I the only one who is annoyed all the 'Arrowverse' shows seemed to kill off their new character this season? First Nora in 'The Flash', Emiko in 'Arrow', 'Red Daughter' in 'Supergirl' and Zari in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow (okay technically not killed but disappeared and won't be back) and I have said about this before with the characters in past seasons and they expect us to care about them and give them a heap of screen time over the other characters and then they just get rid of them and they are never seen or barely mentioned again. I was hoping it wouldn't happen with Nora 'cause I got used to having the character in the show and think it is helpful having another speedster on the team but just like I warned it happened again and this one season character deal is annoying. I am not overly excited about the final season of 'Arrow' to be honest (I am looking forward to seeing 'The Flash' and 'Supergirl' more) and with the exception of the addition of Katharine McNamara I think that was the worst season of the show.
I am looking forward to seeing who they use for the main villain next season but I think the biggest question is where is Thea? She hasn't been in the future flashes and was only mentioned once or twice by Roy with no answer to her whereabouts. It would make no sense not to bring the character back for the final season since she has been a big part of most of the show and the actress has said she is open to returning for a few episodes and I think they should have Thea appear at least once in the present day and future flashes. 
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Post by dazz on May 23, 2019 10:12:26 GMT
Thanks for posting that review stargazer1682 and sharing your thoughts. A bit on and off topic but am I the only one who is annoyed all the 'Arrowverse' shows seemed to kill off their new character this season? First Nora in 'The Flash', Emiko in 'Arrow', 'Red Daughter' in 'Supergirl' and Zari in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow (okay technically not killed but disappeared and won't be back) and I have said about this before with the characters in past seasons and they expect us to care about them and give them a heap of screen time over the other characters and then they just get rid of them and they are never seen or barely mentioned again. I was hoping it wouldn't happen with Nora 'cause I got used to having the character in the show and think it is helpful having another speedster on the team but just like I warned it happened again and this one season character deal is annoying. I am not overly excited about the final season of 'Arrow' to be honest (I am looking forward to seeing 'The Flash' and 'Supergirl' more) and with the exception of the addition of Katharine McNamara I think that was the worst season of the show.
I am looking forward to seeing who they use for the main villain next season but I think the biggest question is where is Thea? She hasn't been in the future flashes and was only mentioned once or twice by Roy with no answer to her whereabouts. It would make no sense not to bring the character back for the final season since she has been a big part of most of the show and the actress has said she is open to returning for a few episodes and I think they should have Thea appear at least once in the present day and future flashes. Ah Deb this is a review for the season penultimate episode not the finale, I don't think Stargazer has seen any of the finales yet, you just spoiled a whole mess of things, you naughty naughty woman. hehehe 
I did write up a whole thing but trying to spoiler tag it deleted the whole fucking thing I think, so fuck it basically imo Deb Nora & Emiko dying was needed due to Nora meddling with time so stupidly it was obvious, and Emiko went so evil and with just 10 eps left there is no time to try and redeem her so fuck it, Zari actually a returning character from S3 but yeah if she's going out like that what was the point of any of her storyline this season? also fuck the CW for how they teased us, they gave me what I have been asking for since S3 started and then they back tracked on it, FUCK YOU CW!!, Red Daughter was hardly developed so whatever but the fact this is the 2nd time they did the Supergirl copy thing and made it just be meaningless in the end is stupid, the fact that the set up is also pretty much the same, corrupt billionaire manipulates Supergirl copy to hating the original, they fight but copy realises Supergirl isn't evil and then the copy is never seen again...fuck you CW once again.
Initially it was more detailed a response but this board is a bucket of wank so fuck it.
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 23, 2019 19:01:37 GMT
Thanks for posting that review stargazer1682 and sharing your thoughts. A bit on and off topic but am I the only one who is annoyed all the 'Arrowverse' shows seemed to kill off their new character this season? First Nora in 'The Flash', Emiko in 'Arrow', 'Red Daughter' in 'Supergirl' and Zari in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow (okay technically not killed but disappeared and won't be back) and I have said about this before with the characters in past seasons and they expect us to care about them and give them a heap of screen time over the other characters and then they just get rid of them and they are never seen or barely mentioned again. I was hoping it wouldn't happen with Nora 'cause I got used to having the character in the show and think it is helpful having another speedster on the team but just like I warned it happened again and this one season character deal is annoying. I am not overly excited about the final season of 'Arrow' to be honest (I am looking forward to seeing 'The Flash' and 'Supergirl' more) and with the exception of the addition of Katharine McNamara I think that was the worst season of the show.
I am looking forward to seeing who they use for the main villain next season but I think the biggest question is where is Thea? She hasn't been in the future flashes and was only mentioned once or twice by Roy with no answer to her whereabouts. It would make no sense not to bring the character back for the final season since she has been a big part of most of the show and the actress has said she is open to returning for a few episodes and I think they should have Thea appear at least once in the present day and future flashes. , obviously I know better than to tell you what to do, especially where your wife is concerned, but it seems @deblovesbeccy is due for a spanking.... Seriously Deb...? And here I was planning to give DC-Fan shit for posting spoilers about James in the fucking title of their thread - which, why the hell I can even see that since I have DC-Fan blocked, is beyond me. I mean, come on, I can see their threads, they can post on mine, what is the fucking point of blocking them, if all it does is hide the content of their post? So no, I was not yet aware of a much of what you said. I kind of guessed about Nora, because I saw a picture The Flash's Facebook page posted a few days ago, with text that kind of gave it all away. I can't say I'm surprised about Emiko, all things considered. It's a little disappointing, but I'll probably get more into my thoughts on that once I get to that episode. My curiosity is piqued now with Zari, because it sounds like they made it sort of ambiguous; and it also seems really dumb if she's leaving the series after they spent the entire season dicking around hooking her up with Dude-bro...I mean "Nate". I have mixed feelings about her leaving, because I found the character boring and sort of abrassive, but she's also not unattractive either; and if there's anyone I'd have written off first, it'd be Nate, followed by Ava. I didn't read too much of the rest of your post, for obvious reasons, or muchof dazz's comments, since he seemed to decide that you letting the cat out of the bag made the whole thread a free for all; so I'll try to circle back here once I'm caught up.
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Post by dazz on May 23, 2019 19:27:21 GMT
Thanks for posting that review stargazer1682 and sharing your thoughts. A bit on and off topic but am I the only one who is annoyed all the 'Arrowverse' shows seemed to kill off their new character this season? First Nora in 'The Flash', Emiko in 'Arrow', 'Red Daughter' in 'Supergirl' and Zari in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow (okay technically not killed but disappeared and won't be back) and I have said about this before with the characters in past seasons and they expect us to care about them and give them a heap of screen time over the other characters and then they just get rid of them and they are never seen or barely mentioned again. I was hoping it wouldn't happen with Nora 'cause I got used to having the character in the show and think it is helpful having another speedster on the team but just like I warned it happened again and this one season character deal is annoying. I am not overly excited about the final season of 'Arrow' to be honest (I am looking forward to seeing 'The Flash' and 'Supergirl' more) and with the exception of the addition of Katharine McNamara I think that was the worst season of the show.
I am looking forward to seeing who they use for the main villain next season but I think the biggest question is where is Thea? She hasn't been in the future flashes and was only mentioned once or twice by Roy with no answer to her whereabouts. It would make no sense not to bring the character back for the final season since she has been a big part of most of the show and the actress has said she is open to returning for a few episodes and I think they should have Thea appear at least once in the present day and future flashes. , obviously I know better than to tell you what to do, especially where your wife is concerned, but it seems @deblovesbeccy is due for a spanking.... Seriously Deb...? And here I was planning to give DC-Fan shit for posting spoilers about James in the fucking title of their thread - which, why the hell I can even see that since I have DC-Fan blocked, is beyond me. I mean, come on, I can see their threads, they can post on mine, what is the fucking point of blocking them, if all it does is hide the content of their post? So no, I was not yet aware of a much of what you said. I kind of guessed about Nora, because I saw a picture The Flash's Facebook page posted a few days ago, with text that kind of gave it all away. I can't say I'm surprised about Emiko, all things considered. It's a little disappointing, but I'll probably get more into my thoughts on that once I get to that episode. My curiosity is piqued now with Zari, because it sounds like they made it sort of ambiguous; and it also seems really dumb if she's leaving the series after they spent the entire season dicking around hooking her up with Dude-bro...I mean "Nate". I have mixed feelings about her leaving, because I found the character boring and sort of abrassive, but she's also not unattractive either; and if there's anyone I'd have written off first, it'd be Nate, followed by Ava. I didn't read too much of the rest of your post, for obvious reasons, or muchof dazz 's comments, since he seemed to decide that you letting the cat out of the bag made the whole thread a free for all; so I'll try to circle back here once I'm caught up. Mine doesn't say much more than what Deb said, just me saying if I think it made sense to do so to those characters without going into much detail imo, I tried using a spoiler tag but it just deleted the bloody post instead.
BTW loved the review pretty much my thinking through the entire episode, I do not get why they bring the guy who played Tommy back for such meaningless reasons, I love seeing him and all but like why for this? too bad they couldn't have him back for more episodes even if for just a scene or two every handful of episodes, having Tommy be the manifestation of a part of Oliver's psyche could be interesting, and have been fun to see in one of the prison eps, and would make him popping up here make more sense as opposed to just out of the blue, not like Oliver hasn't been in this type of scenario before what makes this time so special?
With the it was all a dream thing I kind of don't mind it, that is I wouldn't have minded if their were more hints to it than Tommy physically helping Oliver, because lets be honest as you and I clearly thought watching this, it wasn't is this a dream? no we went omg these writers are so dumb they are making a figment of a characters imagination actually interact with the real world wtf? had they maybe shown the Oliver scenes maybe a little distorted or off a bit, shaky cam whatever, just give those scenes a different feeling to the rest of the episode so when we get the reveal of it's a dream you can distinguish the real from fake because oh yeah AB & C all look the same visually but the D scenes are different, that way you don't get the was this real or fake? given whats real or fake doesn't really matter anyway.
Glad I wasn't the only one who was like hey wait a minuting Mia's I didn't wallow crap, would have been nice for the characters to realise it but oh well.
As usual excellent review far more fun than the actual shows as of late which is sadly not only due to you being funny but the episodes being blegh, cannot wait to see the reviews for the rest of the shows, I think in a twisted way part of my joy comes from your pain at having to watch these, does that make me a bad person?
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 23, 2019 20:21:42 GMT
...just give those scenes a different feeling to the rest of the episode so when we get the reveal of it's a dream you can distinguish the real from fake because oh yeah AB & C all look the same visually but the D scenes are different, that way you don't get the was this real or fake? given whats real or fake doesn't really matter anyway.
I mean, let's be honest, they only give us the "D" scenes....  I don't know, I get what you mean, but I'm completely over breaking up the episodes into so many sub-stories as it is; I just don't trust them to nuance that the right away. Look at the crap we got the previous week with the interrogation based episode. I have a very ambivalent outlook on dream stories or episodes. I'm barely old enough to have been around when Dallas was on - like, a little kid - but I don't honestly recall if my parents watched it during the whole dream season; and I certainly didn't pay enough attention to if it I did, because I don't remember having any strong impression of it happening at the time. Objectively, without context, it seems stupid, because how can you trust a series after that? There has to be trust if you're going to care what happens in the series and to the characters; and if you don't care, there's not much of a point in watching. Few shows can cheat that sort of thing, and they're usually comical farces, like Futurama; that can get away with things like having everyone die and the Professor regrows them using stem-cells or something. I love a love-hate relationship with the last couple of season of Archers, since they have been set inside Archer's comatose mind. They're fun tangential stories, but at the same time, I want the show to get back to "the real world" within the narrative; where the events have actual consequences to the actual characters within the context of the story. I have cultivated my own personal storyline for how I think Buffy season 7 should have gone, that could have made the First more of a threat and made more of the season's arc make more sense; and it would have involved the First's previously established ability to enter and manipulate dreams. Basically early into the season, maybe with Conversations with Dead People, or around that time, the characters would realize they're stuck in their dreams; and they work together to extract themselves by the end of the episode. Then much later in the season they come to the startling realization that they had never escaped their dreams. My defense for why something like would be any different than what Arrow did or what Dallas did on a season long level, is that it would be a shared dream-scape, where the characters are actually interact with one another. So even though the physicality of it is unreal, the experience of it and especially the shared experience between the characters would have been; they would all remember that it happened and it would shape their worldview beyond it happening. And then the culmination of the story would still be The Calling spell - only the Potentials wouldn't have actually been in Sunnydale for real, they would be scattered around the world; and their manifestation in the dream-scape would have been an idealized version of themselves that may have been different from reality. And the spell that calls them also wakes them all up, in time to defend themselves from the coordinated attack the First had planned against them in the real world. And in that vein, I'd like to think that something like you suggested of subconscious manifestation of Tommy appearing to Oliver in prison could have been good - although I'm less confident about how effectively these writers could have done it. What that idea conjures for me would be Oliver getting put into solitary confinement; and the entire episode focuses on Oliver in this tiny cell, trying not to let the solitude get to him. And then Tommy appears and sort of becomes his touchstone; where, because he can talk to his best friend again and in some sense he can feel like he did before he ever became the Hood or the Arrow or the Green Arrow, he's able to get through it. Part of that though, I think, would have required to treat Oliver's time in prison more like it would have actually been like for Oliver in prison; and less like a comic book prison where the guards and administration have a secret agenda that Oliver and the others could exploit for his early release. And instead he just serves his time - they set it at something reasonable; like he's sentence to a year and a half and gets out in 9 months with probation. And the entire first episode could have just been set in solitary showing how he got through it. But that speaks a little to the problem the writers have, which is picking the right focus. They arguably should have gone full out Supermax, Star City gets turned into a city/prison; or they should have brought the story back to where the series started, when they had a more earnest representation of the world the characters existed in. They can't seem to make up their minds anymore what the show is about, so they try and split the difference and don't do a very good job going either way. Yes, but you're in good company. And if you're looking for more schadenfreude, check out the Youtube reactor After Show Reactions; she watches a bunch of shows and reacts to them for the first time. Some of them are older shows, some are relatively newer - like the CW-DC show, but she's still a few seasons behind and hasn't quite gotten to the point where things went off the rails; although she's getting close. They're pretty entertaining to watch, especially her Buffy reactions, which is what got her channel started - she's like 20 something, had never seen Buffy, assumed she wouldn't like it when her friend suggested it like a year or two ago; and then immediately got hooked. But she's done the majority of those episodes along with Angel and some other shows as reaction videos; and they're always first time viewings and she's very critical about not getting spoilers, so her reactions can be genuine. And the reason I bring that up in reference to your comment about enjoying other's pain, is because at times it's a similar experience watching her reactions; not so much the disappointment - at least not until she gets into season 4 of Arrow, etc. - but the anticipation of how she's going to react to certain things that happen on Buffy or Angel or some of the other shows she reacts to, that you know are going to be heartbreaking like Joyce or Fred's deaths or frustrating season 6 of Buffy, season 4 of Angel. And I've seen and even participated in some of the discussion among her mods, talking about the best viewing order; she'll often watch episodes in clusters, and usually with other shows, so they try to work out, not so much the order, because she watches them in order, but when to put the breaks between episodes - is this a strong episode to be the last episode of the week for her to watch before the next one; or is it too much of a cliffhanger that she should watch them back to back? Like the majority of her followers thought it was too cruel to break-up A Hole in the World and Shells (Angel); whereas I was on the side of one of her mods, who argued otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 5:28:50 GMT
Maybe it's just me but I enjoyed the season on the whole as well as this episode. I love hating on Arrow as much as the next person but at a certain point, you just need to add the various issues of the show to the pile of 'suspension of disbelief' as it is a superhero show after all, otherwise what's the point of watching it? I can only imagine how painstaking it must be to take into account all your previous work and history so the current work has integrity and as it keeps going, that snowball increases in size.
Is there room for improvement? Sure. I also didnt like the fact after the 'whole building fell', everyone was pretty much a-ok. This bothered me in Avengers: Endgame too. Did any of you guys notice that they copied James Bond? Spectre precisely, the part near the end where Blofeld and Bond confront each other and there's a glass wall separating them, with impending destruction from a bomb.
Well, like mother like daughter I guess. Mia having one set of standards for herself. This is re the dont wallow... to William. I really liked Mia though, similarly with Bronze Tiger's son (and his connection to Deathstroke via his brother).
I honestly didn't mind Tommy coming back in that way, I thought it was handled rather well. Sure, Oliver doesn't have much of a future left but that doesnt mean his story is over and that he still can't learn things. It was a great examination of his state of mind and his history.
Also not that much happened this episode, which leads me to think this was a 'bottle episode' as so aptly described in Community by Abed. An episode to save on the season's budget. Do you guys think this episode was an example of that?
It was great to see Roy again, even though it was under bad circumstances again...guy cant seem to catch a break, either in tv or in real life via the actor.
As Deb mentioned, I too think we should see Thea return. As for characters dying, this is just another classic case of the CW superhero shows recycling arcs/characters on each other.
Emiko was pretty cool, however I rolled my eyes when she was revealed to be the actual leader of the Ninth Circle. Way too far...in their ranks yes fine but right on top? No....
Even though Arrow over-uses a particular, single item to flash from one scene to another, which is very weak btw. I found the bottle of water one particularly ridiculous and laughable. Was anyone else vexed by this?
I personally hope Ragman returns for a brief stint. What do we all think of Bronze Tiger btw?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 8:36:13 GMT
Thanks for posting that review stargazer1682 and sharing your thoughts. A bit on and off topic but am I the only one who is annoyed all the 'Arrowverse' shows seemed to kill off their new character this season? First Nora in 'The Flash', Emiko in 'Arrow', 'Red Daughter' in 'Supergirl' and Zari in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow (okay technically not killed but disappeared and won't be back) and I have said about this before with the characters in past seasons and they expect us to care about them and give them a heap of screen time over the other characters and then they just get rid of them and they are never seen or barely mentioned again. I was hoping it wouldn't happen with Nora 'cause I got used to having the character in the show and think it is helpful having another speedster on the team but just like I warned it happened again and this one season character deal is annoying. I am not overly excited about the final season of 'Arrow' to be honest (I am looking forward to seeing 'The Flash' and 'Supergirl' more) and with the exception of the addition of Katharine McNamara I think that was the worst season of the show.
I am looking forward to seeing who they use for the main villain next season but I think the biggest question is where is Thea? She hasn't been in the future flashes and was only mentioned once or twice by Roy with no answer to her whereabouts. It would make no sense not to bring the character back for the final season since she has been a big part of most of the show and the actress has said she is open to returning for a few episodes and I think they should have Thea appear at least once in the present day and future flashes. , obviously I know better than to tell you what to do, especially where your wife is concerned, but it seems @deblovesbeccy is due for a spanking.... Seriously Deb...? And here I was planning to give DC-Fan shit for posting spoilers about James in the fucking title of their thread - which, why the hell I can even see that since I have DC-Fan blocked, is beyond me. I mean, come on, I can see their threads, they can post on mine, what is the fucking point of blocking them, if all it does is hide the content of their post? So no, I was not yet aware of a much of what you said. I kind of guessed about Nora, because I saw a picture The Flash's Facebook page posted a few days ago, with text that kind of gave it all away. I can't say I'm surprised about Emiko, all things considered. It's a little disappointing, but I'll probably get more into my thoughts on that once I get to that episode. My curiosity is piqued now with Zari, because it sounds like they made it sort of ambiguous; and it also seems really dumb if she's leaving the series after they spent the entire season dicking around hooking her up with Dude-bro...I mean "Nate". I have mixed feelings about her leaving, because I found the character boring and sort of abrassive, but she's also not unattractive either; and if there's anyone I'd have written off first, it'd be Nate, followed by Ava. I didn't read too much of the rest of your post, for obvious reasons, or muchof dazz 's comments, since he seemed to decide that you letting the cat out of the bag made the whole thread a free for all; so I'll try to circle back here once I'm caught up. BexxyJ , obviously I know better than to tell you what to do, especially where your wife is concerned, but it seems @deblovesbeccy is due for a spanking.... Seriously Deb...? And here I was planning to give DC-Fan shit for posting spoilers about James in the fucking title of their thread - which, why the hell I can even see that since I have DC-Fan blocked, is beyond me. I mean, come on, I can see their threads, they can post on mine, what is the fucking point of blocking them, if all it does is hide the content of their post? So no, I was not yet aware of a much of what you said. I kind of guessed about Nora, because I saw a picture The Flash's Facebook page posted a few days ago, with text that kind of gave it all away. I can't say I'm surprised about Emiko, all things considered. It's a little disappointing, but I'll probably get more into my thoughts on that once I get to that episode. My curiosity is piqued now with Zari, because it sounds like they made it sort of ambiguous; and it also seems really dumb if she's leaving the series after they spent the entire season dicking around hooking her up with Dude-bro...I mean "Nate". I have mixed feelings about her leaving, because I found the character boring and sort of abrassive, but she's also not unattractive either; and if there's anyone I'd have written off first, it'd be Nate, followed by Ava. I didn't read too much of the rest of your post, for obvious reasons, or muchof dazz 's comments, since he seemed to decide that you letting the cat out of the bag made the whole thread a free for all; so I'll try to circle back here once I'm caught up. Mine doesn't say much more than what Deb said, just me saying if I think it made sense to do so to those characters without going into much detail imo, I tried using a spoiler tag but it just deleted the bloody post instead.
BTW loved the review pretty much my thinking through the entire episode, I do not get why they bring the guy who played Tommy back for such meaningless reasons, I love seeing him and all but like why for this? too bad they couldn't have him back for more episodes even if for just a scene or two every handful of episodes, having Tommy be the manifestation of a part of Oliver's psyche could be interesting, and have been fun to see in one of the prison eps, and would make him popping up here make more sense as opposed to just out of the blue, not like Oliver hasn't been in this type of scenario before what makes this time so special?
With the it was all a dream thing I kind of don't mind it, that is I wouldn't have minded if their were more hints to it than Tommy physically helping Oliver, because lets be honest as you and I clearly thought watching this, it wasn't is this a dream? no we went omg these writers are so dumb they are making a figment of a characters imagination actually interact with the real world wtf? had they maybe shown the Oliver scenes maybe a little distorted or off a bit, shaky cam whatever, just give those scenes a different feeling to the rest of the episode so when we get the reveal of it's a dream you can distinguish the real from fake because oh yeah AB & C all look the same visually but the D scenes are different, that way you don't get the was this real or fake? given whats real or fake doesn't really matter anyway.
Glad I wasn't the only one who was like hey wait a minuting Mia's I didn't wallow crap, would have been nice for the characters to realise it but oh well.
As usual excellent review far more fun than the actual shows as of late which is sadly not only due to you being funny but the episodes being blegh, cannot wait to see the reviews for the rest of the shows, I think in a twisted way part of my joy comes from your pain at having to watch these, does that make me a bad person?
  Sorry I spoiled the episodes for you stargazer1682.  I am a naughty girl and I do deserve a spanking for that  but I thought you would have seen the episodes of the shows by now and just hadn't gotten around to posting reviews of them on the board yet but I hope I didn't stop you from enjoying them. I was disappointed by the last episodes of most of the TV Shows this year and I think 'The Flash' was probably the best one and without spoiling it any further I like how they ended things with one of the villains 'cause we will get to see them come back again in the future and there was one big secret from 'Supergirl' I didn't spoil and you will know what it is when you watch the final episode and it will be interesting to see how that affects the following season and we also found out who are going to be the villains for next season and it is a group that one character in 'Arrow' leads so it looks like they could be coming back on 'Supergirl' but it will be an alternate earth version of that character. I guess Emiko wasn't a big surprise but I thought they would have kept the character around longer and with Red Daughter I thought they would have had her turn good and go on to become Power Girl which leaves the question of how they are going to introduce Power Girl now.
Melissa and one of the showrunners confirmed Power Girl is going to be in 'Supergirl' and maybe it is best they don't introduce her as an alternate Earth version of Kara with Melissa playing her and they introduce her as Karen Starr with her origin being completely different but with her still having similar powers and thinking she could be Kryptonian too. Zari is a big shock and as dazz pointed out she was in the show before last season and I remembered that after I mentioned her and from what I have read the actress is staying on in the show but she won't be Zari anymore and it will be like how Maisie Richardson-Sellers is now Charlie and not Amaya and some sites are saying she could be a villain this time. It is weird to just get rid of her like that after they did all those things with her and I don't want to spoil how she goes but she more disappears than is killed and no longer exists. 
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 8:42:00 GMT
As Deb mentioned, I too think we should see Thea return. As for characters dying, this is just another classic case of the CW superhero shows recycling arcs/characters on each other. Emiko was pretty cool, however I rolled my eyes when she was revealed to be the actual leader of the Ninth Circle. Way too far...in their ranks yes fine but right on top? No.... Even though Arrow over-uses a particular, single item to flash from one scene to another, which is very weak btw. I found the bottle of water one particularly ridiculous and laughable. Was anyone else vexed by this? I personally hope Ragman returns for a brief stint. What do we all think of Bronze Tiger btw? she could be in another 'Arrowverse' show soon. 
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 25, 2019 16:21:54 GMT
BexxyJ , obviously I know better than to tell you what to do, especially where your wife is concerned, but it seems @deblovesbeccy is due for a spanking.... Seriously Deb...? And here I was planning to give DC-Fan shit for posting spoilers about James in the fucking title of their thread - which, why the hell I can even see that since I have DC-Fan blocked, is beyond me. I mean, come on, I can see their threads, they can post on mine, what is the fucking point of blocking them, if all it does is hide the content of their post? So no, I was not yet aware of a much of what you said. I kind of guessed about Nora, because I saw a picture The Flash's Facebook page posted a few days ago, with text that kind of gave it all away. I can't say I'm surprised about Emiko, all things considered. It's a little disappointing, but I'll probably get more into my thoughts on that once I get to that episode. My curiosity is piqued now with Zari, because it sounds like they made it sort of ambiguous; and it also seems really dumb if she's leaving the series after they spent the entire season dicking around hooking her up with Dude-bro...I mean "Nate". I have mixed feelings about her leaving, because I found the character boring and sort of abrassive, but she's also not unattractive either; and if there's anyone I'd have written off first, it'd be Nate, followed by Ava. I didn't read too much of the rest of your post, for obvious reasons, or muchof dazz 's comments, since he seemed to decide that you letting the cat out of the bag made the whole thread a free for all; so I'll try to circle back here once I'm caught up. Mine doesn't say much more than what Deb said, just me saying if I think it made sense to do so to those characters without going into much detail imo, I tried using a spoiler tag but it just deleted the bloody post instead.
BTW loved the review pretty much my thinking through the entire episode, I do not get why they bring the guy who played Tommy back for such meaningless reasons, I love seeing him and all but like why for this? too bad they couldn't have him back for more episodes even if for just a scene or two every handful of episodes, having Tommy be the manifestation of a part of Oliver's psyche could be interesting, and have been fun to see in one of the prison eps, and would make him popping up here make more sense as opposed to just out of the blue, not like Oliver hasn't been in this type of scenario before what makes this time so special?
With the it was all a dream thing I kind of don't mind it, that is I wouldn't have minded if their were more hints to it than Tommy physically helping Oliver, because lets be honest as you and I clearly thought watching this, it wasn't is this a dream? no we went omg these writers are so dumb they are making a figment of a characters imagination actually interact with the real world wtf? had they maybe shown the Oliver scenes maybe a little distorted or off a bit, shaky cam whatever, just give those scenes a different feeling to the rest of the episode so when we get the reveal of it's a dream you can distinguish the real from fake because oh yeah AB & C all look the same visually but the D scenes are different, that way you don't get the was this real or fake? given whats real or fake doesn't really matter anyway.
Glad I wasn't the only one who was like hey wait a minuting Mia's I didn't wallow crap, would have been nice for the characters to realise it but oh well.
As usual excellent review far more fun than the actual shows as of late which is sadly not only due to you being funny but the episodes being blegh, cannot wait to see the reviews for the rest of the shows, I think in a twisted way part of my joy comes from your pain at having to watch these, does that make me a bad person?
Melissa and one of the showrunners confirmed Power Girl is going to be in 'Supergirl' and maybe it is best they don't introduce her as an alternate Earth version of Kara with Melissa playing her and they introduce her as Karen Starr with her origin being completely different but with her still having similar powers and thinking she could be Kryptonian too. Zari is a big shock and as dazz pointed out she was in the show before last season and I remembered that after I mentioned her and from what I have read the actress is staying on in the show but she won't be Zari anymore and it will be like how Maisie Richardson-Sellers is now Charlie and not Amaya and some sites are saying she could be a villain this time. It is weird to just get rid of her like that after they did all those things with her and I don't want to spoil how she goes but she more disappears than is killed and no longer exists. It's mostly fine, Deb; I'm not surprised they wrote off Nora at the end of this season. I have come to write my thoughts as I watch, otherwise I forget about or overlook a lot; especially with the episodes being so forgettable. I feel like they way they did it was actually more ambiguous than I was expecting after reading your post. I honestly was expecting her to get stabbed by Cicada, so you unintentionally lent that scene more anticipated tension than the writers did; otherwise I would have completely expected her to escape death one way or another. By her conventional iteration being erased because a new timeline was forming, I foresee them having the out where she is still conceived and is born, but rather she lives a life where she doesn't feel the need to go back in time; ostensibly because now Barry will live and she won't need to come back in order to meet him or be trained by him.
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Post by BexxyJ on May 26, 2019 14:46:41 GMT
Thanks for posting that review stargazer1682 and sharing your thoughts. A bit on and off topic but am I the only one who is annoyed all the 'Arrowverse' shows seemed to kill off their new character this season? First Nora in 'The Flash', Emiko in 'Arrow', 'Red Daughter' in 'Supergirl' and Zari in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow (okay technically not killed but disappeared and won't be back) and I have said about this before with the characters in past seasons and they expect us to care about them and give them a heap of screen time over the other characters and then they just get rid of them and they are never seen or barely mentioned again. I was hoping it wouldn't happen with Nora 'cause I got used to having the character in the show and think it is helpful having another speedster on the team but just like I warned it happened again and this one season character deal is annoying. I am not overly excited about the final season of 'Arrow' to be honest (I am looking forward to seeing 'The Flash' and 'Supergirl' more) and with the exception of the addition of Katharine McNamara I think that was the worst season of the show.
I am looking forward to seeing who they use for the main villain next season but I think the biggest question is where is Thea? She hasn't been in the future flashes and was only mentioned once or twice by Roy with no answer to her whereabouts. It would make no sense not to bring the character back for the final season since she has been a big part of most of the show and the actress has said she is open to returning for a few episodes and I think they should have Thea appear at least once in the present day and future flashes. , obviously I know better than to tell you what to do, especially where your wife is concerned, but it seems @deblovesbeccy is due for a spanking.... Seriously Deb...? And here I was planning to give DC-Fan shit for posting spoilers about James in the fucking title of their thread - which, why the hell I can even see that since I have DC-Fan blocked, is beyond me. I mean, come on, I can see their threads, they can post on mine, what is the fucking point of blocking them, if all it does is hide the content of their post? So no, I was not yet aware of a much of what you said. I kind of guessed about Nora, because I saw a picture The Flash's Facebook page posted a few days ago, with text that kind of gave it all away. I can't say I'm surprised about Emiko, all things considered. It's a little disappointing, but I'll probably get more into my thoughts on that once I get to that episode. My curiosity is piqued now with Zari, because it sounds like they made it sort of ambiguous; and it also seems really dumb if she's leaving the series after they spent the entire season dicking around hooking her up with Dude-bro...I mean "Nate". I have mixed feelings about her leaving, because I found the character boring and sort of abrassive, but she's also not unattractive either; and if there's anyone I'd have written off first, it'd be Nate, followed by Ava. I didn't read too much of the rest of your post, for obvious reasons, or muchof dazz 's comments, since he seemed to decide that you letting the cat out of the bag made the whole thread a free for all; so I'll try to circle back here once I'm caught up. I warned you this one was a naughty one. Don’t let her cuteness fool you. She has a dirty mind. Always teasing and giving me cheek when we’re alone and making up excuses for her wandering hands. I would punish the little tart tonight but she would enjoy it too much. 
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 8:39:26 GMT
BexxyJ , obviously I know better than to tell you what to do, especially where your wife is concerned, but it seems @deblovesbeccy is due for a spanking.... I warned you this one was a naughty one. Don’t let her cuteness fool you. She has a dirty mind. Always teasing and giving me cheek when we’re alone and making up excuses for her wandering hands. I would punish the little tart tonight but she would enjoy it too much.  Really?!? Youre Deb's other half she always talks about? Well, I extend to you a very warm and very belated welcome to the Arrow sub-forum! 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 12:03:21 GMT
It's mostly fine, Deb; I'm not surprised they wrote off Nora at the end of this season. I have come to write my thoughts as I watch, otherwise I forget about or overlook a lot; especially with the episodes being so forgettable. I feel like they way they did it was actually more ambiguous than I was expecting after reading your post. I honestly was expecting her to get stabbed by Cicada, so you unintentionally lent that scene more anticipated tension than the writers did; otherwise I would have completely expected her to escape death one way or another. By her conventional iteration being erased because a new timeline was forming, I foresee them having the out where she is still conceived and is born, but rather she lives a life where she doesn't feel the need to go back in time; ostensibly because now Barry will live and she won't need to come back in order to meet him or be trained by him.   
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Post by dazz on Jun 2, 2019 20:22:46 GMT
It's mostly fine, Deb; I'm not surprised they wrote off Nora at the end of this season. I have come to write my thoughts as I watch, otherwise I forget about or overlook a lot; especially with the episodes being so forgettable. I feel like they way they did it was actually more ambiguous than I was expecting after reading your post. I honestly was expecting her to get stabbed by Cicada, so you unintentionally lent that scene more anticipated tension than the writers did; otherwise I would have completely expected her to escape death one way or another. By her conventional iteration being erased because a new timeline was forming, I foresee them having the out where she is still conceived and is born, but rather she lives a life where she doesn't feel the need to go back in time; ostensibly because now Barry will live and she won't need to come back in order to meet him or be trained by him. From what I have heard Carlos isn't leaving, the rumours he was came about because he was the only cast to have not signed a new contract before S5 began filming or maybe airing, so people were unsure if he was going to stay or not, which is why they wrote his storyline as it was this season, but he did sign a new deal in the end and they just played it up after the fact to create some intrigue in the characters fate.
He could still be Vibe just tech based rather than meta based, he's shown to be tech savvy enough to create breaching tech and they know Hartley who created Vibe blast gloves, and that way being a hero is a choice Cisco makes and not one he would pass on to his family like he saw Barry did, or he could stay at the labs, could be he wanted an easier schedule, being on set and not needing to be on location as much around Vancouver could be just what he wanted.
I think Cisco's powers going is a good thing his ability to Vibe stuff was too much a cheat, and very iffy, like why couldn't he just get them all the time to solve every issue? this will require them to do more thinking and allow Ralph and Joe's maybe detective skills as well as Barry's CSI skills to shine a bit more as they cant just chuck Cisco whatever and go vibe this for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 10:11:03 GMT
Well it was obvious you two were friends but I had no idea hahaha. Well that explains a lot. Im living up to Bizarro's name PS: also found it suspicious that her name was Bexxy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:00:37 GMT
From what I have heard Carlos isn't leaving, the rumours he was came about because he was the only cast to have not signed a new contract before S5 began filming or maybe airing, so people were unsure if he was going to stay or not, which is why they wrote his storyline as it was this season, but he did sign a new deal in the end and they just played it up after the fact to create some intrigue in the characters fate.
He could still be Vibe just tech based rather than meta based, he's shown to be tech savvy enough to create breaching tech and they know Hartley who created Vibe blast gloves, and that way being a hero is a choice Cisco makes and not one he would pass on to his family like he saw Barry did, or he could stay at the labs, could be he wanted an easier schedule, being on set and not needing to be on location as much around Vancouver could be just what he wanted.
I think Cisco's powers going is a good thing his ability to Vibe stuff was too much a cheat, and very iffy, like why couldn't he just get them all the time to solve every issue? this will require them to do more thinking and allow Ralph and Joe's maybe detective skills as well as Barry's CSI skills to shine a bit more as they cant just chuck Cisco whatever and go vibe this for me.
Okay. That makes sense. I am still surprised they had him give up his powers though 'cause they went to all the trouble of making him Vibe and made his superhero half a big part of his life and they just wrote Nora out of the show too so this puts 'Team Flash' down in numbers and they are heading into a big event and are going to need all the help they can get so Cisco giving up his powers now seems odd. I mean you bring up a good point about how his powers was too much of a cheat and maybe they deliberately took them off him 'cause him having them during the upcoming 'Crisis' event would have made things too easy for them and there are things that happen which would have had fans asking why Cisco didn't stop them but I think Team Flash is in need of another team member now and they should bring Wally or Jessie back next season to replace Nora. I heard the actor who plays Wally is very open to coming back for a couple of episodes so it would make the most sense to get him or Jessie back now with the date of Barry's disappearance being sped up but perhaps Doctor Fate might become the new team member for a while and it would be fun to see somebody with powers like that helping them. By the way did you hear Barry is getting a new upgrade for his suit? I will post the link for the article about it below since I can't get it to show up on here but what do you think of his new costume? I think it makes him look bigger and muscular like the Flash in the comic books and it is an interesting colour change. 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:08:02 GMT
Well it was obvious you two were friends but I had no idea hahaha. Well that explains a lot. Im living up to Bizarro's name PS: also found it suspicious that her name was Bexxy
Oh okay. Sorry for the confusion.  I noticed you have changed your name back to BizarroAntiClark again and you have definitely gone through more name changes than I did when we were on the old IMDB board and I was changing the end of my username nearly every time I wrote on there but I think I have changed my avatar more times than you and I have gone through a lot of Mackenzie Porter and Sydney Sweeney pictures as my avatar since joining this forum. I was thinking the other day it is coming up to nearly two years since the Admin made the 'Arrow' board for us and it was created in September or October 2017. 
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jun 7, 2019 13:16:12 GMT
From what I have heard Carlos isn't leaving, the rumours he was came about because he was the only cast to have not signed a new contract before S5 began filming or maybe airing, so people were unsure if he was going to stay or not, which is why they wrote his storyline as it was this season, but he did sign a new deal in the end and they just played it up after the fact to create some intrigue in the characters fate.
He could still be Vibe just tech based rather than meta based, he's shown to be tech savvy enough to create breaching tech and they know Hartley who created Vibe blast gloves, and that way being a hero is a choice Cisco makes and not one he would pass on to his family like he saw Barry did, or he could stay at the labs, could be he wanted an easier schedule, being on set and not needing to be on location as much around Vancouver could be just what he wanted.
I think Cisco's powers going is a good thing his ability to Vibe stuff was too much a cheat, and very iffy, like why couldn't he just get them all the time to solve every issue? this will require them to do more thinking and allow Ralph and Joe's maybe detective skills as well as Barry's CSI skills to shine a bit more as they cant just chuck Cisco whatever and go vibe this for me.
Okay. That makes sense. I am still surprised they had him give up his powers though 'cause they went to all the trouble of making him Vibe and made his superhero half a big part of his life and they just wrote Nora out of the show too so this puts 'Team Flash' down in numbers and they are heading into a big event and are going to need all the help they can get so Cisco giving up his powers now seems odd. I mean you bring up a good point about how his powers was too much of a cheat and maybe they deliberately took them off him 'cause him having them during the upcoming 'Crisis' event would have made things too easy for them and there are things that happen which would have had fans asking why Cisco didn't stop them but I think Team Flash is in need of another team member now and they should bring Wally or Jessie back next season to replace Nora. I heard the actor who plays Wally is very open to coming back for a couple of episodes so it would make the most sense to get him or Jessie back now with the date of Barry's disappearance being sped up but perhaps Doctor Fate might become the new team member for a while and it would be fun to see somebody with powers like that helping them. By the way did you hear Barry is getting a new upgrade for his suit? I will post the link for the article about it below since I can't get it to show up on here but what do you think of his new costume? I think it makes him look bigger and muscular like the Flash in the comic books and it is an interesting colour change.
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Post by dazz on Jun 7, 2019 13:42:47 GMT
From what I have heard Carlos isn't leaving, the rumours he was came about because he was the only cast to have not signed a new contract before S5 began filming or maybe airing, so people were unsure if he was going to stay or not, which is why they wrote his storyline as it was this season, but he did sign a new deal in the end and they just played it up after the fact to create some intrigue in the characters fate.
He could still be Vibe just tech based rather than meta based, he's shown to be tech savvy enough to create breaching tech and they know Hartley who created Vibe blast gloves, and that way being a hero is a choice Cisco makes and not one he would pass on to his family like he saw Barry did, or he could stay at the labs, could be he wanted an easier schedule, being on set and not needing to be on location as much around Vancouver could be just what he wanted.
I think Cisco's powers going is a good thing his ability to Vibe stuff was too much a cheat, and very iffy, like why couldn't he just get them all the time to solve every issue? this will require them to do more thinking and allow Ralph and Joe's maybe detective skills as well as Barry's CSI skills to shine a bit more as they cant just chuck Cisco whatever and go vibe this for me.
Okay. That makes sense. I am still surprised they had him give up his powers though 'cause they went to all the trouble of making him Vibe and made his superhero half a big part of his life and they just wrote Nora out of the show too so this puts 'Team Flash' down in numbers and they are heading into a big event and are going to need all the help they can get so Cisco giving up his powers now seems odd. I mean you bring up a good point about how his powers was too much of a cheat and maybe they deliberately took them off him 'cause him having them during the upcoming 'Crisis' event would have made things too easy for them and there are things that happen which would have had fans asking why Cisco didn't stop them but I think Team Flash is in need of another team member now and they should bring Wally or Jessie back next season to replace Nora. I heard the actor who plays Wally is very open to coming back for a couple of episodes so it would make the most sense to get him or Jessie back now with the date of Barry's disappearance being sped up but perhaps Doctor Fate might become the new team member for a while and it would be fun to see somebody with powers like that helping them. By the way did you hear Barry is getting a new upgrade for his suit? I will post the link for the article about it below since I can't get it to show up on here but what do you think of his new costume? I think it makes him look bigger and muscular like the Flash in the comic books and it is an interesting colour change.
I think that's just fan art Deb, not something from the series itself, they don't start filming again for another month or so either for us to know if he does get a new suit, I hope he does as I hate S5's, much preferred S4's, I get they did it to be more comfortable for Grant but still, fuck that Grant suffer for your art you little bitch....kidding, mostly.
Hadn't thought about the implications for Cisco going Vibeless with Crisis coming up, do they know something huge is on the horizon like Oliver did? if so dick move Cisco dick fucking move, though guess if they need to either Monitor or maybe Brainy could just do something to give him his powers back in a pinch during the event.
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