Post by stargazer1682 on May 25, 2019 23:25:35 GMT
Just seeing the preview for this episode, combined with what I've gleaned from some unintentional spoilers (both on here and on Facebook) I'm not looking forward to this episode...
Augh, leave it to Legends to take their one good story, like John rescuing Ray from hell, and pissing all over it...
Yeah, how would Nate expect to know what 9 year old Zari looks like? It would have been super fucking creepy if Nate had looked up his girlfriend at 9.
An elaborate plot to frighten people involving a genius superhero and a squid... are they intentionally ripping off Watchmen (and the episode of The Outer Limits, which The Watchmen "borrowed" the concept from)?
Astra: "I was special to you too, once."
Yeah, still are by virtue of the fact that he chose you over Ray, so go fuck yourself.
So what, in the span of a single episode Neron and Tabitha ditched their original idea of collecting thousands of souls through the app in favor of cultivating fear? Sounds more like the writers once again can't make up their fucking mind about what the story is supposed to be about; so they try sampling a bit of everything instead.
It also occurs to me that the writers have forgotten about the fundamental concept this series was built on. Time travel. Even as they refer to the Time Bureau, they seem to forget the actual scope of power Neron has at his fingertips and doesn't make use of. He could traveling all over time unleashing monsters and sewing fear and basically doing whatever the fuck he wanted, whenever the fuck he wanted to do it; and would be something short of unstoppable.
I absolutely believe fear is Gary's natural scent.
Fucking Heyworld....
Seriously, their bright idea for... humanizing monsters, for want of a better term, is to finish building what sounded like tantamount to a zoo; where supernatural creatures, most of whom appear to be sentient to some degree, can be turned into spectacles for "normal" humans to ogle? What could possibly go wrong with that?
This idea is on the same par as a cheesy 80s sitcom putting on variety show to save a historic downtown building. These characters are basically flesh Muppets.
Do not Google flesh Muppets.
Two or three years to finish building a theme park already well under construction? That seems like an overestimation.
Should demons really be that gullible as to fall for the, "if you want your boss to be mad that you didn't thing I'm saying he said without any proof or verification" ploy?
Really, the story book that makes everything real? They're going to use that to make the fucking petting zoo?
Even if they got this place up and running and it was even half as effective as they think it will be, how the fuck are they going to get, what was it, the entire population of the fucking planet to go through? Even if it's just a large segment of the US, that's a lot of fucking people march through the mystical equivalent of Seaworld and impart the importance of inclusivity. The bathroom logistics alone would be a nightmare. And I assume they're going to provide food vendors; and don't forget the souvenirs...
And just like that, their demented captor who was no doubt on the cusp of wearing at least one of the Legend's skin as a coat (probably Ava) is back in the fold like nothing in the last three episodes ever happened....
So does this mean Walt Disney was a time traveler teaching the world about the inherent value of mice, ducks and dogs? 'Cause I'm not taking the mouse traps out of my house.
Does this mean Heyworld could potentially change the future for Star City?
So before even seeing the reveal, I can already tell by John's build up about the horrors Ray is probably facing, that Ray is probably sitting in the lap of luxury. That, or this about to turn into 50 Shades of Ray....
And of course he's playing fucking Giant Jenga with Vandal Savage. Fuck you writers.
Would anyone on Earth 1 know who the fuck Supergirl is??
"And we'll give your kids a Flash....of excitement"
Parents, do not take your children to Heyworld, under any circumstances.
What exactly do the "monsters" for lack of a better description, get out of participating in Heyworld? Are they going get paid for being there? Are they going to see a cut of the entry fees? Will there be entry fees? Even if they're not in it to make a profit, there going to be costs; especially with their... specimens.... They at least need to be fed, but really if they're not being paid, they're either slaves or prisoners.
Which also begs the question, do they get to leave Heyworld in the off hours? Or are they living there? Are they in cages or some sort of...monster preserve?
There is so much that is probably wrong with this concept.
God, this is slowly starting to feel like a minstrel show.....
Vandal Savage was sent to torture Ray? But Savage is in hell too (I think, I can't remember what the hell happened in season 1 anymore; or what they ended up doing with Savage) so shouldn't Savage be tortured? I'd actually sooner believe that Ray was sent to torture Savage....
Because they weren't done shitting on Vandal Savage four years ago.
So, it's either Heyworld or killing Nate? Sounds like killing Nate is a win/win.
Does using a magic book to complete Heyworld ahead of schedule constitute some sort of union violation? I mean, at the very least, how would they know it's up to code? I bet Nate won't include a building inspection in his story....
Of course there are roller coasters in this theme park; because otherwise it would be as boring to the vast majority of people as a museum or zoo. But doesn't that commercialize it more than it's supposed to be?
Now that the world knows witches and monsters are real, wouldn't many of them be suspicious of a theme park springing up over night as if by magic?
I'd especially be suspicious of any place with a statue of Biff Tannen at the heart of it....
This place is packed for something that literally just opened and no one knew about a day before. It's not like they had any marketing or brand on which this place was built on; and people didn't have prior plans to go there. I know they shot a lame commercial, that bordered on some sort of quasi/meta copyright infringement, but just how far and with what sort of promotional lead up could they have possible had, especially with no budget?
And even Nate remarks that, "the real money is in concessions" which makes this a lot more than just some noble goodwill gesture.
You know, it just occurred to me, why did they even need the book; why couldn't Gary just wish for the theme park....or world peace or something?
If you have to advise someone not to eat the audience, maybe it lends a little credence to the idea that some - not all - of these creatures are dangerous.... Not necessarily malicious, though that doesn't appear to be outside the realm of possibility either, but a threat to general public safety all the same.
So what, the Legends of Tomorrow are the Power Rangers now; doing random martial arts move at thin air?
It actually makes me think back to when I was a teenager, I was a fan of the original American Power Ranger team, which was still on the air and only in their second season maybe. I heard how there was going to be an appearance made by the Black Ranger in a nearby town; and he would do martial arts demonstration. Then I see a newspaper article about, with picture of "the Black Ranger" - and it wasn't remotely the guy from the show. He wasn't even the right ethnicity. I don't know if he "played" the costume character/was the stunt double or what the deal was, but I noped right hell out going to that. If I was going to convince my mom to take me to something like that probably pay money to see the Black Ranger, it better fucking be Walter fucking Jones.
And while I did remember his first name, I blanked for a second his last name and had to look it up; and now I'm kind of depressed seeing how the entire original cast are pushing 50. Not that there's anything wrong with being 50 - especially if you're Amy Jo Johnson, who's 48 and still pretty fine.
If you're wondering, like I am, how I got on this tangent, I'm pretty sure it has to do with Sara and Nate taking the stage like a bunch of Power Ranger knock-offs.
"And that'll teach those bad guys that crime doesn't pay."
Once again, someone got paid to write this shit....
Do I want to hang out with you and your imaginary friend, the Flash? No.
Augh, they had to go and drag the fucking Monitor in this; and have him eat popcorn?
What would make you think you're losing them, Nate?
Awe, Dragon-babies grow up so fast.
"I don't remember growing older
When, did, they?
When did she get to be a beauty?
When did he grow to be so tall?
Wasn't it yesterday when they, were, small?
Sunrise, sunset, Sunrise, sunset
Swiftly flow the days"
Constantine:"This one can't be fixed by a musical number"
As a theatre nerd, John, shut your fucking mouth.
Let me guess, a glamour to make Nate look like John? Yeah. Are they going to bring him back? Sadly, probably...
A musical number.... Way to ruin everything guys.
So to be clear, they're basically bringing Nate back to life via the Tinkerbell loophole, where if they clap hard enough he'll come back? Got it.
Constantine: "Come on people, do you want him to stay dead?"
I mean.... kinda.... Not like in a malicious way. I wouldn't just up and murder him or anything, but Nate's just so.....borrowing.... I'm completely okay with letting him die a heroic death and retire his ridiculous BDSM-meets-Quaterbacker outfit.
And should anyone there who isn't a Legend actually think he was actually dead?
I was expecting Zari's departure to be a little more like Nora's; though I'm sort of glad they weren't quite so redundant. So now Zari's brother is on the team - yet, just like Zari, he would have to be temporally displaced, since he seemed not to even be born yet in the present.
So Astra's cashing out - but should she be able to just bring people back to life, just because she has the coins? Constantine couldn't. And of the real life historical figures they showed she took the coins of, none of them could be said to have been "cut down" before they reached their full potential - they all appeared to be notorious historic figures. Which, just by virtue of, shouldn't that raise a few eyebrows in hell if the likes of Hitler or whomever suddenly get recalled to Earth? And are they returning to their original point in history, negating their deaths; or are they coming to the present? Because after finishing the episode just now, I looked up what one interview the writers had to say, to clarify something I had heard going into this episode about Zari's future; and they talked about wanting to take the show back to its time travel roots. Which would require a time travel element with these escaped historical villains setup, but that really doesn't make any sort of sense. Then again, neither does bringing back the likes of some of histories most reviled humans. Just because they were notorious in life and did some spectacularly horrible things, doesn't mean that they possesses some sort of preternatural ability to cause evil and mayhem. In the vast majority of cases, if not presumably all of them, their infamy lies in the happenstance of their lives and the circumstances they lived in. You couldn't just throw a fully grown Caligula into the modern world and expect him to achieve the same things he did, as the world and his place in it are radically different than they were the first time around. Even someone more contemporary, like Hitler, couldn't just walk into a present day building or go up to someone on the street and say, "How are you doing, my name is Adolf Hitler, I have some ideas I want to bounce off you." I mean, in this day and age he could inexplicably probably find some sympathetic followers, but it's still different and they'd be different than what it was. Hitler was as much of a product of his time and the world he lived in as he was an influencer; the circumstances he lived in shaped his world view and the actions he took as consequence.
The only way I could see this working is if these souls were reincarnated in modern bodies, under new names, living new lives and experiences; and then the mission of the Legends becomes identifying what person is the reincarnation of which reincarnated historical villain. And that could be interesting, if done the right way; especially since they could explore some of the nuances of history in a modern setting.
Another take, I think, would be to actually play on Atra's statement of souls that were cut short in life; and rather being the well known villains of history, she's actually bringing back people who would have been infamous if not for meeting an untimely fate. Someone who would have been Jack the Ripper or Jeffrey Dahmer or Lizzy Borden had they not contracted influenza or been in a car accident or something. That would inject the time travel element back into the story, especially if by restoring them to life, they go back to the moment they were supposed to have died; and instead go on to lead a terrible life. And it would also do something with the way the Legends tackles time travel that I've wanted since the beginning that they virtually never do, which is focus on non-famous people in history, rather than always trying to claim more allure fruit of well known historic figures they can throw into an episode for shock value, but never use to their full potential. It would give the heroes license to go back in time and save lives and be heroes, in the course of setting time right; rather than blindly ignoring people's suffering and hardships for the sake of historical purity.
Now, do I expect them to actually do this? Fuck no, because these writers fucking idiots who wouldn't know a good story if it bit them on the ass.
Augh, leave it to Legends to take their one good story, like John rescuing Ray from hell, and pissing all over it...
Yeah, how would Nate expect to know what 9 year old Zari looks like? It would have been super fucking creepy if Nate had looked up his girlfriend at 9.
An elaborate plot to frighten people involving a genius superhero and a squid... are they intentionally ripping off Watchmen (and the episode of The Outer Limits, which The Watchmen "borrowed" the concept from)?
Astra: "I was special to you too, once."
Yeah, still are by virtue of the fact that he chose you over Ray, so go fuck yourself.
So what, in the span of a single episode Neron and Tabitha ditched their original idea of collecting thousands of souls through the app in favor of cultivating fear? Sounds more like the writers once again can't make up their fucking mind about what the story is supposed to be about; so they try sampling a bit of everything instead.
It also occurs to me that the writers have forgotten about the fundamental concept this series was built on. Time travel. Even as they refer to the Time Bureau, they seem to forget the actual scope of power Neron has at his fingertips and doesn't make use of. He could traveling all over time unleashing monsters and sewing fear and basically doing whatever the fuck he wanted, whenever the fuck he wanted to do it; and would be something short of unstoppable.
I absolutely believe fear is Gary's natural scent.
Fucking Heyworld....
Seriously, their bright idea for... humanizing monsters, for want of a better term, is to finish building what sounded like tantamount to a zoo; where supernatural creatures, most of whom appear to be sentient to some degree, can be turned into spectacles for "normal" humans to ogle? What could possibly go wrong with that?
This idea is on the same par as a cheesy 80s sitcom putting on variety show to save a historic downtown building. These characters are basically flesh Muppets.
Do not Google flesh Muppets.
Two or three years to finish building a theme park already well under construction? That seems like an overestimation.
Should demons really be that gullible as to fall for the, "if you want your boss to be mad that you didn't thing I'm saying he said without any proof or verification" ploy?
Really, the story book that makes everything real? They're going to use that to make the fucking petting zoo?
Even if they got this place up and running and it was even half as effective as they think it will be, how the fuck are they going to get, what was it, the entire population of the fucking planet to go through? Even if it's just a large segment of the US, that's a lot of fucking people march through the mystical equivalent of Seaworld and impart the importance of inclusivity. The bathroom logistics alone would be a nightmare. And I assume they're going to provide food vendors; and don't forget the souvenirs...
And just like that, their demented captor who was no doubt on the cusp of wearing at least one of the Legend's skin as a coat (probably Ava) is back in the fold like nothing in the last three episodes ever happened....
So does this mean Walt Disney was a time traveler teaching the world about the inherent value of mice, ducks and dogs? 'Cause I'm not taking the mouse traps out of my house.
Does this mean Heyworld could potentially change the future for Star City?
So before even seeing the reveal, I can already tell by John's build up about the horrors Ray is probably facing, that Ray is probably sitting in the lap of luxury. That, or this about to turn into 50 Shades of Ray....
And of course he's playing fucking Giant Jenga with Vandal Savage. Fuck you writers.
Would anyone on Earth 1 know who the fuck Supergirl is??
"And we'll give your kids a Flash....of excitement"
Parents, do not take your children to Heyworld, under any circumstances.
What exactly do the "monsters" for lack of a better description, get out of participating in Heyworld? Are they going get paid for being there? Are they going to see a cut of the entry fees? Will there be entry fees? Even if they're not in it to make a profit, there going to be costs; especially with their... specimens.... They at least need to be fed, but really if they're not being paid, they're either slaves or prisoners.
Which also begs the question, do they get to leave Heyworld in the off hours? Or are they living there? Are they in cages or some sort of...monster preserve?
There is so much that is probably wrong with this concept.
God, this is slowly starting to feel like a minstrel show.....
Vandal Savage was sent to torture Ray? But Savage is in hell too (I think, I can't remember what the hell happened in season 1 anymore; or what they ended up doing with Savage) so shouldn't Savage be tortured? I'd actually sooner believe that Ray was sent to torture Savage....
Because they weren't done shitting on Vandal Savage four years ago.
So, it's either Heyworld or killing Nate? Sounds like killing Nate is a win/win.
Does using a magic book to complete Heyworld ahead of schedule constitute some sort of union violation? I mean, at the very least, how would they know it's up to code? I bet Nate won't include a building inspection in his story....
Of course there are roller coasters in this theme park; because otherwise it would be as boring to the vast majority of people as a museum or zoo. But doesn't that commercialize it more than it's supposed to be?
Now that the world knows witches and monsters are real, wouldn't many of them be suspicious of a theme park springing up over night as if by magic?
I'd especially be suspicious of any place with a statue of Biff Tannen at the heart of it....
This place is packed for something that literally just opened and no one knew about a day before. It's not like they had any marketing or brand on which this place was built on; and people didn't have prior plans to go there. I know they shot a lame commercial, that bordered on some sort of quasi/meta copyright infringement, but just how far and with what sort of promotional lead up could they have possible had, especially with no budget?
And even Nate remarks that, "the real money is in concessions" which makes this a lot more than just some noble goodwill gesture.
You know, it just occurred to me, why did they even need the book; why couldn't Gary just wish for the theme park....or world peace or something?
If you have to advise someone not to eat the audience, maybe it lends a little credence to the idea that some - not all - of these creatures are dangerous.... Not necessarily malicious, though that doesn't appear to be outside the realm of possibility either, but a threat to general public safety all the same.
So what, the Legends of Tomorrow are the Power Rangers now; doing random martial arts move at thin air?
It actually makes me think back to when I was a teenager, I was a fan of the original American Power Ranger team, which was still on the air and only in their second season maybe. I heard how there was going to be an appearance made by the Black Ranger in a nearby town; and he would do martial arts demonstration. Then I see a newspaper article about, with picture of "the Black Ranger" - and it wasn't remotely the guy from the show. He wasn't even the right ethnicity. I don't know if he "played" the costume character/was the stunt double or what the deal was, but I noped right hell out going to that. If I was going to convince my mom to take me to something like that probably pay money to see the Black Ranger, it better fucking be Walter fucking Jones.
And while I did remember his first name, I blanked for a second his last name and had to look it up; and now I'm kind of depressed seeing how the entire original cast are pushing 50. Not that there's anything wrong with being 50 - especially if you're Amy Jo Johnson, who's 48 and still pretty fine.
If you're wondering, like I am, how I got on this tangent, I'm pretty sure it has to do with Sara and Nate taking the stage like a bunch of Power Ranger knock-offs.
"And that'll teach those bad guys that crime doesn't pay."
Once again, someone got paid to write this shit....
Do I want to hang out with you and your imaginary friend, the Flash? No.
Augh, they had to go and drag the fucking Monitor in this; and have him eat popcorn?
What would make you think you're losing them, Nate?
Awe, Dragon-babies grow up so fast.
"I don't remember growing older
When, did, they?
When did she get to be a beauty?
When did he grow to be so tall?
Wasn't it yesterday when they, were, small?
Sunrise, sunset, Sunrise, sunset
Swiftly flow the days"
Constantine:"This one can't be fixed by a musical number"
As a theatre nerd, John, shut your fucking mouth.
Let me guess, a glamour to make Nate look like John? Yeah. Are they going to bring him back? Sadly, probably...
A musical number.... Way to ruin everything guys.
So to be clear, they're basically bringing Nate back to life via the Tinkerbell loophole, where if they clap hard enough he'll come back? Got it.
Constantine: "Come on people, do you want him to stay dead?"
I mean.... kinda.... Not like in a malicious way. I wouldn't just up and murder him or anything, but Nate's just so.....borrowing.... I'm completely okay with letting him die a heroic death and retire his ridiculous BDSM-meets-Quaterbacker outfit.
And should anyone there who isn't a Legend actually think he was actually dead?
I was expecting Zari's departure to be a little more like Nora's; though I'm sort of glad they weren't quite so redundant. So now Zari's brother is on the team - yet, just like Zari, he would have to be temporally displaced, since he seemed not to even be born yet in the present.
So Astra's cashing out - but should she be able to just bring people back to life, just because she has the coins? Constantine couldn't. And of the real life historical figures they showed she took the coins of, none of them could be said to have been "cut down" before they reached their full potential - they all appeared to be notorious historic figures. Which, just by virtue of, shouldn't that raise a few eyebrows in hell if the likes of Hitler or whomever suddenly get recalled to Earth? And are they returning to their original point in history, negating their deaths; or are they coming to the present? Because after finishing the episode just now, I looked up what one interview the writers had to say, to clarify something I had heard going into this episode about Zari's future; and they talked about wanting to take the show back to its time travel roots. Which would require a time travel element with these escaped historical villains setup, but that really doesn't make any sort of sense. Then again, neither does bringing back the likes of some of histories most reviled humans. Just because they were notorious in life and did some spectacularly horrible things, doesn't mean that they possesses some sort of preternatural ability to cause evil and mayhem. In the vast majority of cases, if not presumably all of them, their infamy lies in the happenstance of their lives and the circumstances they lived in. You couldn't just throw a fully grown Caligula into the modern world and expect him to achieve the same things he did, as the world and his place in it are radically different than they were the first time around. Even someone more contemporary, like Hitler, couldn't just walk into a present day building or go up to someone on the street and say, "How are you doing, my name is Adolf Hitler, I have some ideas I want to bounce off you." I mean, in this day and age he could inexplicably probably find some sympathetic followers, but it's still different and they'd be different than what it was. Hitler was as much of a product of his time and the world he lived in as he was an influencer; the circumstances he lived in shaped his world view and the actions he took as consequence.
The only way I could see this working is if these souls were reincarnated in modern bodies, under new names, living new lives and experiences; and then the mission of the Legends becomes identifying what person is the reincarnation of which reincarnated historical villain. And that could be interesting, if done the right way; especially since they could explore some of the nuances of history in a modern setting.
Another take, I think, would be to actually play on Atra's statement of souls that were cut short in life; and rather being the well known villains of history, she's actually bringing back people who would have been infamous if not for meeting an untimely fate. Someone who would have been Jack the Ripper or Jeffrey Dahmer or Lizzy Borden had they not contracted influenza or been in a car accident or something. That would inject the time travel element back into the story, especially if by restoring them to life, they go back to the moment they were supposed to have died; and instead go on to lead a terrible life. And it would also do something with the way the Legends tackles time travel that I've wanted since the beginning that they virtually never do, which is focus on non-famous people in history, rather than always trying to claim more allure fruit of well known historic figures they can throw into an episode for shock value, but never use to their full potential. It would give the heroes license to go back in time and save lives and be heroes, in the course of setting time right; rather than blindly ignoring people's suffering and hardships for the sake of historical purity.
Now, do I expect them to actually do this? Fuck no, because these writers fucking idiots who wouldn't know a good story if it bit them on the ass.