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Post by Morgana on Jun 3, 2019 10:37:36 GMT
Another one of these utterly naive stupidities. I never saw someone who didn't want a job do it well. I certainly don't think they made a good case for it. I would've gone simply with the notion that his ability to know things via warging would be a good reason to choose Bran as king. But his not wanting it (according to him) is a good reason against. Wouldn't the job require someone that would put their heart and soul into fixing things?
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 3, 2019 10:40:39 GMT
I certainly don't think they made a good case for it. I would've gone simply with the notion that his ability to know things via warging would be a good reason to choose Bran as king. But his not wanting it (according to him) is a good reason against. Wouldn't the job require someone that would put their heart and soul into fixing things? That's not what they tried to tell us but the execution left much to be desired.
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Post by Morgana on Jun 3, 2019 10:43:09 GMT
But his not wanting it (according to him) is a good reason against. Wouldn't the job require someone that would put their heart and soul into fixing things? That's not what they tried to tell us but the execution left much to be desired. I know that they wanted it to be him because he wouldn't give in to greed or lust or anything else that might sway him to act a certain way, but as I said, that same detachment would work against him.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 3, 2019 11:16:42 GMT
That's not what they tried to tell us but the execution left much to be desired. I know that they wanted it to be him because he wouldn't give in to greed or lust or anything else that might sway him to act a certain way, but as I said, that same detachment would work against him. He's not detached. Anything Bran has been involved in, he's been involved. He's always bigger picture though. Further, I don't know if he said he didn't want to be king. Tyrion said he didn't want it on the basis of him not wanting to be Lord of Winterfell.
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 3, 2019 11:21:53 GMT
I know that they wanted it to be him because he wouldn't give in to greed or lust or anything else that might sway him to act a certain way, but as I said, that same detachment would work against him. He's not detached. Anything Bran has been involved in, he's been involved. He's always bigger picture though. Further, I don't know if he said he didn't want to be king. Tyrion said he didn't want it on the basis of him not wanting to be Lord of Winterfell. Bran said he doesn't "want anymore". The implication being that Bran is immune to greed and ambition and that would make a good king.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 3, 2019 11:26:34 GMT
I know that they wanted it to be him because he wouldn't give in to greed or lust or anything else that might sway him to act a certain way, but as I said, that same detachment would work against him. He's not detached. Anything Bran has been involved in, he's been involved. He's always bigger picture though. Further, I don't know if he said he didn't want to be king. Tyrion said he didn't want it on the basis of him not wanting to be Lord of Winterfell. Sansa did, which Tyrion called "good". Tyrion then said to Bran "I know you don't want it. I know you don't care about power." When Tyrion said he didn't want to be Hand, Bran responded "And I don't want to be king". This is nothing else but the usual collectivist junk against greed and the pursuit of personal advantage that has made the western world what it is. I sincerely hope the fat turd never finishes writing the trash, there's enough of it already.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 3, 2019 11:49:23 GMT
He's not detached. Anything Bran has been involved in, he's been involved. He's always bigger picture though. Further, I don't know if he said he didn't want to be king. Tyrion said he didn't want it on the basis of him not wanting to be Lord of Winterfell. Bran said he doesn't "want anymore". The implication being that Bran is immune to greed and ambition and that would make a good king. Those traits would make a sucky king though.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 3, 2019 12:58:25 GMT
Extremely disappointing. The good thing is, that I do not miss the show a bit. When other shows ended I followed for years, it gave me a bit of a weltschmerz. a real loss. But this time...not even a shrug. Of course not. Who wants to watch crap. And that is essentially what season 8 was. The whole thing started going downhill around season 6. Season 8 was just the "crash and burn". And that's too bad. Because the production values were excellent. Its only the "writing" that sucked.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 3, 2019 14:36:47 GMT
That might be so but that wasn't my point. My point was the faceless man training she got was indeed useful to avenge the Red Wedding and killing the Night King. Saying it was for nothing implies that these two events didn't happen. -Ill give you the red wedding. NK? Ehhh...she went in yelling. Was that part of her training, to scream before you attack? Red wedding revenge was done correctly. NK death was done insanely poorly.I knew about R+L=J for quite some time. What were going to be the implications, I didn't know until I saw the episodes. The fact that I didn't predict how things were going to play out is not an argument against the show. Honestly did anyone really expected the fairy tale ending of Jon Snow sitting on the Iron Throne as King of the Seven Kingdoms? I didn't because I paying attention that this story wasn't going to have an happy ending. -It kind of is. What was even the point of him being the prince that was promised? Aegon T? Where did it lead? IDC about how to predict things, but those are massive loopholes. Where did this lead too? -I dont care about a happy ending, I care about the story. Id rather Snow died saving the realm, died doing something of importance. WTF did Snow do this season? "She's muh queen. I dont want it. She's Muh queen. I dont want it." Again, where did these storylines go? No where man. I would have rather see the Night King on the throne.I agree. I think Jaime should've killed Cersei but I don't know what GRR Martin plans are for the character. For example I have serious doubts that Dany will face off against Cersei after the Others are defeated. I think the last human obstacle in the books will be Young Griff and they are going reenact a Second Dance od Dragons. But I also think Jaime did end up honoring his promise of fighting for the living. I liked the fact that Brienne and Jaime used Ice to defend Winterfell and I liked Brienne finishing his page on the Book of Brothers. - He should have, they ruined his story arc. I got my doubts GRRM even finishing the books. 2020 apparently, when I see a book, Ill believe it. It was so many seasons of Jaime being a better person....to go back and die with Cersei? Bad writing man....It did. Why do you think it must be a single cause instead of a long series of events? -I thought it was the death of her dragons, death of Melissandre, Jon Snow, etc. There were too many unlead answers.Ok you'd rather see that. That's fine. Some people wanted Stannis on the Iron Throne. But you know what, just because it didn't end the way you wanted, that's not argument against the ending of the show. -Id rather see anything than what we did. This wasnt a good ending, hopefully the books explain it better. Apparently Bran is more important than the books. Bran was boring af in the show. That's the issue. I could argue the throne is worse off than when Robert had it. It wasnt about it ending poorly, it was about it being poorly done.I agree that execution left much to be desired and that more episodes would probably fix this. Remember that talk that Tyrion had with Bran? You don't because it happened off screen but there was an opportunity there to led the show into this ending. Basically the whole argument that they tried to make is that the best leader is the guy that doesn't want the power and like Bran said before, he doesn't really want anything anymore. It also went with the trope of "knowledge is power" and that having an quasi "all knowing ruler" is the best. These ideas might've worked if they were executed properly. Unfortunately D&D insistence in having only 13 episodes after season six doomed what could've been an interesting and unexpected ending. Basically, I have more issues with how things played out than where the things ended up. -That's my issue man, execution. We had bad execution. OK, that's fine, but we didnt see it. I cant make assumptions. Problem people had is it seemed random. Ok, but again, why was the realm ok with the north being independent but no one else wanted too? Im sorry, that isnt logically to me. I have issues with both honestly. The ending seemed insanely stupid and lead to nothing.
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 3, 2019 14:58:38 GMT
-Ill give you the red wedding. NK? Ehhh...she went in yelling. Was that part of her training, to scream before you attack? Red wedding revenge was done correctly. NK death was done insanely poorly. How about the part she was able to sneak through a bunch of White Walkers and almost caught the NK by surprise? You think Arya would've been able to do that if she didn't receive training? And he was the Prince that was Promised. He saved the realm. Jon Snow was instrumental in bringing the alliance together including Dany which played a role in defending Winterfell from the Walkers and he stepped up when it came to saving the realm from Daenerys. He's going to die with Cersei in the books too. They come together into this world and they are going to leave together. And Jaime is a better person. But he never stopped loving Cersei. I wish he had but it's not because a story doesn't go the way I want that turns a story into a bad one. Yes. Several events. The loss of both her dragons, the death of Missandei, having been told that she is the heir to the Iron Throne only to find out that she really isn't. Help saving the entire continent only to have people near her conspiring against her. Which in my view, kinda deserved an entire season. I would rather see the NK being defeated in a season finale and leave the entire plot of who's going to take the throne for the next season. Bran is boring af in the books too. In fact his storyline is the least interesting aspect of the books IMO but I think George will make the choice of Bran being king in the books far more acceptable. Yes, it was rushed. I'm not suggesting that everything was fine and dandy. There are plenty of issues I had with the final season but I don't agree with every criticism of it and that was always my point.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 3, 2019 16:51:59 GMT
How about the part she was able to sneak through a bunch of White Walkers and almost caught the NK by surprise? You think Arya would've been able to do that if she didn't receive training? -Only issue is....she didnt. Lets re-watch
She went in yelling, and where did she come from, thin air? Not only that, his soldiers just stood watching? It was poor execution. Red wedding revenge was more logical, she wore a mask, and took them out. This was again, poor execution.
And he was the Prince that was Promised. He saved the realm. Jon Snow was instrumental in bringing the alliance together including Dany which played a role in defending Winterfell from the Walkers and he stepped up when it came to saving the realm from Daenerys. -Prince of what....the north? He had control of that already, he could have stayed Snow. How did he do anything this season? He had 2 lines the entire season. Not only that, their plan was fn retarded. Lets hide in a Crypt? That be like me telling you during a zombie attack lets hide in a cemetary. It was again, bad execution.He's going to die with Cersei in the books too. They come together into this world and they are going to leave together. And Jaime is a better person. But he never stopped loving Cersei. I wish he had but it's not because a story doesn't go the way I want that turns a story into a bad one. -He is? We havent gotten them. IDK if will ever will. Regardless, it wasnt where his arc went. If the books explain it better, cool, but the series was leading to something else. Seemed pointless.Yes. Several events. The loss of both her dragons, the death of Missandei, having been told that she is the heir to the Iron Throne only to find out that she really isn't. Help saving the entire continent only to have people near her conspiring against her. Which in my view, kinda deserved an entire season. I would rather see the NK being defeated in a season finale and leave the entire plot of who's going to take the throne for the next season. -It happened all too rushed. Again, she claimed she loved Snow, wouldnt the answer be to rule together? We all knew Danys fate after episode 5. She was gonna die. Remember when we were shocked the lead character of season one died, red wedding, Jon Snows death, when unexpected things happened? I'd rather it not be a rushed mess, maybe that's just me.Bran is boring af in the books too. In fact his storyline is the least interesting aspect of the books IMO but I think George will make the choice of Bran being king in the books far more acceptable. Well, than this is stupid. I'd again argue that the realm was better off in season one > season eight.Yes, it was rushed. I'm not suggesting that everything was fine and dandy. There are plenty of issues I had with the final season but I don't agree with every criticism of it and that was always my point. Explain how the north can be independent and the others are all okay with this? I'd again suggest they'd see biased (Is his sister) and the realm is worse off than where we started.
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 3, 2019 19:07:46 GMT
How about the part she was able to sneak through a bunch of White Walkers and almost caught the NK by surprise? You think Arya would've been able to do that if she didn't receive training? -Only issue is....she didnt. Lets re-watch
She went in yelling, and where did she come from, thin air? Not only that, his soldiers just stood watching? It was poor execution. Red wedding revenge was more logical, she wore a mask, and took them out. This was again, poor execution.
Neither the Night King or the soldiers noticed Arya until she was right on top of the Night King and the reason why she was able to approach him was due to her training.
No. I'm saying he fits the prophecy of the Prince that was promised. Ok I know the meme about the 2 lines the entire season. But any person that has watched the season knows very well that Jon had way more lines than those two.
I never brought anything in favor of tactics depicted in Game of Thrones. Because if I did, I would be criticizing Game of Thrones since season 2.
The books treat his arc very differently. Jaime abandons Cersei during A Feast for Crows and rejects her plea for him to fight for her in a trial by combat. Well I can't know for sure how his arc is going to go in the books, he seems to be done with Cersei. But Jaime's arc has been increasingly different from the books since season 4. He never goes to Dorne for example.
I think Dany would be more than willing to marry him. But I think Jon would have some issues with that.
Well in season eight, the realm is just starting to recuperate from the most devastating war in Westeros since original The Long Night. I do believe that what George is trying to do, is that an elective monarchy is still better an hereditary monarchy where rulers are just born regardless of their ability to rule so I think the idea is that there is more hope for the future. Especially since the Walkers are gone.
There is no explanation other than Sansa demanded her independence and that Bran accepted and that yes, others are okay with this. The North was the one struggling for independence since the War of the Five Kings began. Them and the Iron Islands.
Considering that the realm had been plunged into a costly civil war that lasted for almost a decade, I doubt that the others Lords of Westeros are willing to go at it again.
That being said, the Great Council, just like other things in this season was rushed and solved pretty easily. I
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Post by Pangolin on Jun 4, 2019 14:08:33 GMT
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 4, 2019 14:23:10 GMT
Neither the Night King or the soldiers noticed Arya until she was right on top of the Night King and the reason why she was able to approach him was due to her training.
-He held her for 5-10 seconds, the soldiers did nothing? She appeared out of thin fn air bro.
It was silly nonsense. He was made to be a bad @$$ and basically died so easily. No, this was poorly written-executed. What did he want, what did the symbols mean, what was his goals? IDK, winter's over!
No. I'm saying he fits the prophecy of the Prince that was promised. Ok I know the meme about the 2 lines the entire season. But any person that has watched the season knows very well that Jon had way more lines than those two.
I never brought anything in favor of tactics depicted in Game of Thrones. Because if I did, I would be criticizing Game of Thrones since season 2.
-What prophecy, what was he the prince of, killing Daenarys? He could have easily done that as Jon Snow. Jon Snow was wasted this season, he didnt do much in the entire NK battle besides yell at a dragon. He basically had 2 lines man.
The books treat his arc very differently. Jaime abandons Cersei during A Feast for Crows and rejects her plea for him to fight for her in a trial by combat. Well I can't know for sure how his arc is going to go in the books, he seems to be done with Cersei. But Jaime's arc has been increasingly different from the books since season 4. He never goes to Dorne for example.
-Cool, but this was the series, I get it you gotta change things from the books to a series. Regardless, seems like his arc got thrown out the window.
I think Dany would be more than willing to marry him. But I think Jon would have some issues with that.
This is a problem in a nut shell. We are left to "think." Remember when GOT explained everything, we saw even little conversations. Remember when Tyrion was actually an intelligent character? I miss those days...
Well in season eight, the realm is just starting to recuperate from the most devastating war in Westeros since original The Long Night. I do believe that what George is trying to do, is that an elective monarchy is still better an hereditary monarchy where rulers are just born regardless of their ability to rule so I think the idea is that there is more hope for the future. Especially since the Walkers are gone.
-I have no hope with Bran as king.
There is no explanation other than Sansa demanded her independence and that Bran accepted and that yes, others are okay with this. The North was the one struggling for independence since the War of the Five Kings began. Them and the Iron Islands.
Considering that the realm had been plunged into a costly civil war that lasted for almost a decade, I doubt that the others Lords of Westeros are willing to go at it again.
That being said, the Great Council, just like other things in this season was rushed and solved pretty easily. I
-Others are just fine with this? No one else want their independence, and they see no biases going on here? Im sorry, other realms would demand their independence too.
Why not? Bran is king, he isnt Robert, Ned, or Snow who can fight. It be easy to over-take him and become king. It was all in all a bad season with not many explanations.
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 4, 2019 14:36:59 GMT
Neither the Night King or the soldiers noticed Arya until she was right on top of the Night King and the reason why she was able to approach him was due to her training.
-He held her for 5-10 seconds, the soldiers did nothing? She appeared out of thin fn air bro.
It was silly nonsense. He was made to be a bad @$$ and basically died so easily. No, this was poorly written-executed. What did he want, what did the symbols mean, what was his goals? IDK, winter's over!
The whole thing happens way to fast for the other Walkers to approach Arya. Besides she is seemingly at his mercy considering that the Night's King has grabbed Arya by the throat. They couldn't stop her during the time she dropped the knife with one hand to catch with the other. Lets see, he's the one that unites the north, convinces Dany to help everyone fighting against the White Walkers, once he's declared King in the North that what pushes Arya to go home (thus killing the Nights' King) and at the end of that, he's the one that his capable of approaching Dany in order to kill her. Yes he basically had two lines if we ignore every other line that he's said. I wasn't happy especially since he's my favorite character. And in my opinion it all boils down to the fact that more episodes were needed. I have. Bran can see things so we'll probably avoid any sort of conspiracies against them and we know that the Lords of Westeros will have to choose a leader instead of hoping that the next heir is a good king. I also think he has pretty good council around him with people like Brienne and Davos. Bran has the ability of seeing the conspiracies through is warging. How do you know that they would want their independence? They never declared their motives so saying that they would want their independence is as valid as me saying that they wouldn't want independence.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 4, 2019 15:02:57 GMT
The whole thing happens way to fast for the other Walkers to approach Arya. Besides she is seemingly at his mercy considering that the Night's King has grabbed Arya by the throat. They couldn't stop her during the time she dropped the knife with one hand to catch with the other. -Ummm...what. One sword chop to the waist, game, set, match. 5 second delay, have you seen the White walkers and how fast they destroy. Why did the NK just grab her by the throat, why not slam her to the ground? It was all silly and rushed. This was a problem I had S7E6, all those characters should have died. Where did she appear from anyways? Watch it, she comes out of thin air. Yea, they had time to sworm her, they just stood and watch on their IPhones I guess.Lets see, he's the one that unites the north, convinces Dany to help everyone fighting against the White Walkers, once he's declared King in the North that what pushes Arya to go home (thus killing the Nights' King) and at the end of that, he's the one that his capable of approaching Dany in order to kill her. Yes he basically had two lines if we ignore every other line that he's said. - He united the north....for Sansa to get it. He convinces Dany, for Sansa to f*ck it all up. If you wanna excuse poor execution, fine, but there are many un lead answers. Snow had the north already, he convinced Dany to fight by him as...Jon Snow. Honestly, we could have Xd out the prince that was promised and Aegon storyline, and it would have probably went the same.I wasn't happy especially since he's my favorite character. -It just seemed like his arc went flat/no where.And in my opinion it all boils down to the fact that more episodes were needed. -We agree, idk why youre defending this rushed nonsense.I have. Bran can see things so we'll probably avoid any sort of conspiracies against them and we know that the Lords of Westeros will have to choose a leader instead of hoping that the next heir is a good king. I also think he has pretty good council around him with people like Brienne and Davos. -I dont. He can see things, great, but this could have lead to something more interesting. Robert could fight, Rheagal could fight, what can Bran do if a war breaks out, hide in the crypts? He is a pointless leader imho. A good council....with Bronn the master of coin!? Tyrion who got his @$$ handed to him during all season 7? Davos is about the only decent one he has imo.Bran has the ability of seeing the conspiracies through is warging. How do you know that they would want their independence? They never declared their motives so saying that they would want their independence is as valid as me saying that they wouldn't want independence.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 4, 2019 22:29:42 GMT
It's gone from terrible after initial viewing, to just disappointing, to maybe okay? Could have used some fine tuning, but its problems are mainly because of the episodes leading up to it. If Bran was ultimately going to get the throne, how the f*ck are you only just now mentioning the idea in his crowning scene? The idea itself makes sense after thinking about it, but yeah.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 5, 2019 1:32:04 GMT
It's gone from terrible after initial viewing, to just disappointing, to maybe okay? Could have used some fine tuning, but its problems are mainly because of the episodes leading up to it. If Bran was ultimately going to get the throne, how the f*ck are you only just now mentioning the idea in his crowning scene? The idea itself makes sense after thinking about it, but yeah. The idea doesn't make sense. To me, the whole ending, and that's the 2nd half from the moment Tyrion is taken to the Dragonpit, is an insult to intelligence and ruins the series. It doesn't make the episode "terrible", because much of the rest was ok, but leaves me in disgust of the thing. It is a clear "never want to watch again" and makes sure I won't ever bother watching the last two seasons.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 7, 2019 4:10:00 GMT
It's gone from terrible after initial viewing, to just disappointing, to maybe okay? Could have used some fine tuning, but its problems are mainly because of the episodes leading up to it. If Bran was ultimately going to get the throne, how the f*ck are you only just now mentioning the idea in his crowning scene? The idea itself makes sense after thinking about it, but yeah. The idea doesn't make sense. To me, the whole ending, and that's the 2nd half from the moment Tyrion is taken to the Dragonpit, is an insult to intelligence and ruins the series. It doesn't make the episode "terrible", because much of the rest was ok, but leaves me in disgust of the thing. It is a clear "never want to watch again" and makes sure I won't ever bother watching the last two seasons. I did have a problem with Tyrion being the guy to propose it. He's a prisoner, a f*ckup, and had been deciding between Jon and Dany until that very scene. I just mean it's pragmatic to put an unbiased demigod in charge, if only there were some buildup and or Bran did something other than creep on his sisters' rape.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 7, 2019 5:22:35 GMT
I just mean it's pragmatic to put an unbiased demigod in charge, if only there were some buildup and or Bran did something other than creep on his sisters' rape. The unbiased argument only holds until one realises that an accepted king has no reasons to be biased. Bias comes from dependency towards those who make or keep your status and nothing does that like an elective system in which the future chosen depends from those who will hopefully choose him. So Tyrion's proposal makes no sense and the decision to have kings elected works against the very argument that led to the first choice. Once again, and I'll never grow tired of showing it, this story is written for political idiots. And don't be too harsh on Bran, he only watched the wedding ceremony…
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