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Post by poelzig on Jun 7, 2019 6:19:14 GMT
Time to draw some conclusions after the first impressions have settled. Have you watched it again? Did you see a dozen of videos about it? How do you think it did as the final episode of one of the most popular TV-shows of all time? Ha ha. That dirty whore cersie died and Tyrion who you hated is basically running everything. You mad ain't you bro? Ha ha ha ha. All that cersei ass licking for close to a decade and that dumb bitch got squished like a bug thanks to the character you hated most. Damn son you failed so hard.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Jun 12, 2019 3:20:21 GMT
I liked it better on second viewing, but still think it can be called adequate at best.
The main problems is that it's just burdened with too many scenes of people talking. As nice as it was, we didn't need a ten minute speech from Tyrion explaining to Jon Snow why Dany had to go. It would have been a more GOT-worthy moment if Jon had just immediately realized by the time Dany was halfway through her Nuremberg Rally speech and shot her through the heart with an arrow when no one expected it.
Also, there should have finally been a scene showing that Sansa had learned her lessons from Little Finger and Ramsay. We kept hearing at the end of the series how smart Sansa was but she should have had something to show for it. I would have had Sansa (who knew what Dany was up to through Bran) devise a way to rescue Jon and seize power in Westeros, rather than that rather tepid "king choosing" scene. Also, the small council meeting scene stretched on too long. Could have been cut down severely. We only really needed to see them arrive, one by one.
The long coda with the Starks was okay. They earned their extended farewell scene, like the Hobbits in Pete Jackson's 'Lord of the Rings' adaptations.
Alternative endings I would have been okay with:
1. Dany is crowned Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, and only then do we realize that she will be the most dangerous person to ever sit on the Iron Throne. Final scene is Dany smiling evilly with Drogon roaring behind her. 2. Everyone dies in the battle with the White Walkers, including the Walkers. Final scene: in the wreckage of Winterfell, dire wolves slowly come out of the woods and reclaim the land. Or Children of the Forest. Or both. 3. Cersei defeats the North men and Dany's forces in the final battle, but the day is saved by a tall, handsome warrior: Robin Arryn. Robin is crowned King of the Six Kingdoms and Sansa becomes Queen in the North!
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 12, 2019 21:08:05 GMT
I liked it better on second viewing, but still think it can be called adequate at best. The main problems is that it's just burdened with too many scenes of people talking. As nice as it was, we didn't need a ten minute speech from Tyrion explaining to Jon Snow why Dany had to go. It would have been a more GOT-worthy moment if Jon had just immediately realized by the time Dany was halfway through her Nuremberg Rally speech and shot her through the heart with an arrow when no one expected it. Also, there should have finally been a scene showing that Sansa had learned her lessons from Little Finger and Ramsay. We kept hearing at the end of the series how smart Sansa was but she should have had something to show for it. I would have had Sansa (who knew what Dany was up to through Bran) devise a way to rescue Jon and seize power in Westeros, rather than that rather tepid "king choosing" scene. Also, the small council meeting scene stretched on too long. Could have been cut down severely. We only really needed to see them arrive, one by one. The long coda with the Starks was okay. They earned their extended farewell scene, like the Hobbits in Pete Jackson's 'Lord of the Rings' adaptations. Alternative endings I would have been okay with: 1. Dany is crowned Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, and only then do we realize that she will be the most dangerous person to ever sit on the Iron Throne. Final scene is Dany smiling evilly with Drogon roaring behind her. 2. Everyone dies in the battle with the White Walkers, including the Walkers. Final scene: in the wreckage of Winterfell, dire wolves slowly come out of the woods and reclaim the land. Or Children of the Forest. Or both. 3. Cersei defeats the North men and Dany's forces in the final battle, but the day is saved by a tall, handsome warrior: Robin Arryn. Robin is crowned King of the Six Kingdoms and Sansa becomes Queen in the North! I remember GRRM stating that he envisioned his series ending with snow covering mass graves, so there may be a bigger difference in endings than the show runners care to admit. So...a recasting of the character then?
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 12, 2019 21:26:52 GMT
I did have a problem with Tyrion being the guy to propose it. He's a prisoner, a f*ckup, and had been deciding between Jon and Dany until that very scene. I just mean it's pragmatic to put an unbiased demigod in charge, if only there were some buildup and or Bran did something other than creep on his sisters' rape. Tyrion spends most of the series as a prisoner. He's a prisoner to Catelyn, Lysa/Mord, Shagga and the Stone Crows, Tywin, Jorah, Malko, Yezzan zo Qaggaz (aka guy with too much eyeliner), Dany, Yunkai slavers (very temporarily), Dany again, and the Unsullied/Dothraki.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 15, 2019 3:40:50 GMT
Here's another explanation as to why season 8 sucked. Its 20 minutes long. The first minute is spent on Steven King. But the rest is on Game of Thrones. And why it didn't make sense.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 15, 2021 20:08:02 GMT
Binged from the holidays until today, my first time. I knew of a few pop cultural moments - Ned Stark dying, Red Wedding, & Bran on the throne. Hindsight I knew no details of any - Ned's death propelled the series, Red Wedding I totally mis-remembered being much later in the series than it was (which in turn was a nice surprise out of the blue for me), & Bran's throne actually amped up my intrigue in a how-the-hell-are-all-these-paths leading there?
Series finale was great, I loved it. Jon broke the wheel by killing yet another overly ambitious ruler. He never wanted to be King, & having the dragon literally melt the Iron Throne away was amazing. Whoever keeps saying the writing scuked was clearly following a different GoT journey than I.
Did the series wrap with balloons & fireworks over King's Landing with dragons & free folk dancing in the streets? No. The show was about breaking the wheel, & Jon stabbed the final wheel in the heart... literally & figuratively.
Arya is the show's winner for me, with daylight, & she gets to unwrap their New World to the west. Sansa gets nothing more than Winterfell & her northerners. Jon gets to be the ultimate beyond the wall adventurer & leader, without much use of wars to come. He saw the Wildlings earlier in the show, & he bonded enough that he can bridge that with them for a long while.
Bran on the throne is fine, & I love his council. That's perfect. I think the key about Bran for me is while he can see all past & present, he remains unknown & welcoming enough to the future. Had he been some future seer, that'd be a disservice to his honour.
Do I want to watch again? Maybe I will one day several years from now. I would honestly probably axe all the Marjorie stuff because frankly her path led to the bullshite church vs. monarch embroilments - embroilments that magically appeared after 4 seasons?? I really like Marjorie, I just think after her grandmother offed Joffrey, her path in the show was in hindsight too supporting & not critical enough. I know it helped Cercei's fate, which fcuk her lols. Seeing Cersei covered in shit was merely how I'd always seen her - zero sympathy for her regardless & if the show thought that'd soften her, dead wrong.
So yeah. I loved the show's finish because war is hell, the wheel isn't as easy to break as some ppl thought it could've been, & most of my fav characters are alive & thriving. One thing I might've flipped was the war against the Night King into the series finale... the fate of men against beyond the wall seemed to never take fully deserved gravitas. Let King's Landing die & then allow King Bran to lead the just war against the White Walkers. Either way, both events pretty much did occur, just I'd flip chronologically.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 16, 2021 2:39:44 GMT
It was far from a great ending but i just don`t think the ending was as bad as many people make it out to be.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 2, 2021 20:14:10 GMT
is everyone still alive?
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 8, 2021 15:02:11 GMT
I'm still around. It will probably stay quiet here until a trailer releases for House of the Dragon.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2021 15:15:16 GMT
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2021 14:18:45 GMT
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2021 14:20:07 GMT
I'm still around. It will probably stay quiet here until a trailer releases for House of the Dragon. hi shinnickneth yeah i just saw something on youtube about it good to see two of my friends doing ok
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 28, 2021 4:39:58 GMT
Months apart my finale viewing, Dany was simply an unstoppable predator, with dragon. It was fitting she erupted how she did on King's Landing.
Reminds me of The Lord of the Rings a bit, the ending - no mortal could trek into Mount Doom & destroy the One Ring, the ring's power would never allow it. It took Gollum's careless slip with ring to fall into the fires.
Dany in hindsight would've been unable to peacefully claim the throne, let along reign peacefully.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 29, 2021 8:29:53 GMT
Months apart my finale viewing, Dany was simply an unstoppable predator, with dragon. It was fitting she erupted how she did on King's Landing. It had been announced early on in the show and slowly but repeatedly confirmed. Daenerys' reaction to her brother's death, saying "he was no dragon, fire cannot kill a dragon" after showing her own resistance to fire earlier in the episode was a clear statement to viewers that she was going to incarnate the overpowering, destructive, evil beast of all known mythology. Books can be written on how dreadfully that path was realised in the last few seasons of a show that set out to please and shock fools rather than satisfy the brain owning fringe but that outcome should have been a surprise to no one. It was not even as abrupt as people have said. They even had Daario spell it out in S6: "a conqueror, not a ruler".
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Post by Seto on May 31, 2021 4:32:16 GMT
I remember GRRM stating that he envisioned his series ending with snow covering mass graves, so there may be a bigger difference in endings than the show runners care to admit. Martin never said this, that was a parody twitter account. The most Martin has ever hinted at with his ending is that it will be "bittersweet"
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 31, 2021 10:48:52 GMT
I remember GRRM stating that he envisioned his series ending with snow covering mass graves, so there may be a bigger difference in endings than the show runners care to admit. Martin never said this, that was a parody twitter account. The most Martin has ever hinted at with his ending is that it will be "bittersweet" The show reflects the ending Martin told the writers. There will be no Super-Arya killing a Night King that's does not exist in the books and the Hound will likely not die fighting his brother as the Red Keep crumbles around them because these things were pure junk put there to please idiots, but much of the rest will come to end at the same place. It will only make more sense. Winter will be dealt with before Daenerys turns "bad". This is already hinted at in the titles of the last two books: "A Dream Of Spring" is in tune with the idealistic tyranny she will want to enforce after the White Walker problem is solved, she will "take what is hers with fire and blood", then she will be dealt with by those who see her for what she is. Bran the Plot Device will be made king by some council (not called on the spot by an accused prisoner, that much is certain), Jon Snow will renounce everything and fuck off north, Sansa will be queen and Tyrion the Pity Magnet will be excused of all his resentful decisions for the sake of glorifying the underdog. It will be the same junk, just told better.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 31, 2021 18:30:42 GMT
Martin never said this, that was a parody twitter account. The most Martin has ever hinted at with his ending is that it will be "bittersweet" Ah. It got me then. I do remember the "bittersweet" comment as well as he compared the ending of his series to the ending of Lord of the Rings.
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