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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 28, 2019 22:00:46 GMT
I'll try to make this as brief as possible...
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. I did not clearly list exactly how many comics I took, but I grabbed approximately 80 to a 100, of one title. He saw the batch.
90% of those books fell in the dollar category which literally means that they were worth 1 dollar. If you've ever been to a comic convention you would know that they are often filled with tables of what are known in the industry as dollar books. These are books the retailer got stuck with too many of and couldn't sell, so now they're selling them on the cheap to get rid of them. Some are good, some are crap, some are in poor condition, by fart they're worth next to nothing.
As I said 90% of the books were of the dollar book variety. The other 10% were worth a little more, but nothing over 5 dollars apiece. In any case all of them were cheap comics that he had tons of, in some cases even 3 copies each. None were in top mint condition.
After grabbing the bunch I wanted, I separated the ones that were worth more than a dollar and showed them to him. I told him those were the ones that might be worth more and that he should look through them. He said $100 for the whole lot.
About an hour later, that same day, I asked again if he was alright with the deal. I wanted to be sure. He said (and this I can quote) "Don't worry, I've already made my profit from this lot". He buys comics in lots of hundreds and thousands and then sells them for more. He does this on the side. Apparently he had already sold so many comics from this lot that he was fine making this deal with me.
before I left I was going to pay him via credit card. (For those who don't know, you can pay people via an app on your cel phone. You can even actually swipe the card! Cool, huh?) He was too lazy to find the swipy thing and said just pay me when you can.
Later that week (3 or so days later), I called and made an appointment with him to come over to his place and pay him. I had the money in cash. We were supposed to meet that day at 5:30pm. At about 3pm he texts me back saying he cant met then. He's decided to do something else. I text back saying "but we had an appointment". He responds by saying "I changed the terms".
The next day I try to make another appointment to meet. Again he'd rather do something else.
In the meantime I had bills that needed paying. So I used the money. I'm not rolling in the dough. I figured I'd get him from my next pay check the following week.
Before my next paycheck he texts me that he wants his money. I text him that now he's going to have to wait. I'll pay him during the week. He texts back "give me back my comics. They're worth five times what you paid for them". So clearly he's suddenly getting upset. I'm like what? I thought this was a friendly deal between friends.
I still plan on paying him in full tomorrow. But after that I think we might not be friends anymore. I feel like this will happen again and I don't need the aggravation.
Accepting, that my facts and figures are correct, what do you guys think?
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Post by movieliker on May 28, 2019 22:14:17 GMT
I'll try to make this as brief as possible...
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. I did not clearly list exactly how many comics I took, but I grabbed approximately 80 to a 100, of one title. He saw the batch.
90% of those books fell in the dollar category which literally means that they were worth 1 dollar. If you've ever been to a comic convention you would know that they are often filled with tables of what are known in the industry as dollar books. These are books the retailer got stuck with too many of and couldn't sell, so now they're selling them on the cheap to get rid of them. Some are good, some are crap, some are in poor condition, by fart they're worth next to nothing.
As I said 90% of the books were of the dollar book variety. The other 10% were worth a little more, but nothing over 5 dollars apiece. In any case all of them were cheap comics that he had tons of, in some cases even 3 copies each. None were in top mint condition.
After grabbing the bunch I wanted, I separated the ones that were worth more than a dollar and showed them to him. I told him those were the ones that might be worth more and that he should look through them. He said $100 for the whole lot.
About an hour later, that same day, I asked again if he was alright with the deal. I wanted to be sure. He said (and this I can quote) "Don't worry, I've already made my profit from this lot". He buys comics in lots of hundreds and thousands and then sells them for more. He does this on the side. Apparently he had already sold so many comics from this lot that he was fine making this deal with me.
before I left I was going to pay him via credit card. (For those who don't know, you can pay people via an app on your cel phone. You can even actually swipe the card! Cool, huh?) He was too lazy to find the swipy thing and said just pay me when you can.
Later that week (3 or so days later), I called and made an appointment with him to come over to his place and pay him. I had the money in cash. We were supposed to meet that day at 5:30pm. At about 3pm he texts me back saying he cant met then. He's decided to do something else. I text back saying "but we had an appointment". He responds by saying "I changed the terms".
The next day I try to make another appointment to meet. Again he'd rather do something else.
In the meantime I had bills that needed paying. So I used the money. I'm not rolling in the dough. I figured I'd get him from my next pay check the following week.
Before my next paycheck he texts me that he wants his money. I text him that now he's going to have to wait. I'll pay him during the week. He texts back "give me back my comics. They're worth five times what you paid for them". So clearly he's suddenly getting upset. I'm like what? I thought this was a friendly deal between friends.
I still plan on paying him in full tomorrow. But after that I think we might not bee friends anymore. I feel like this will happen again and I don't need the aggravation.
Accepting, that my facts and figures are correct, what do you guys think? I wouldn't want to be friends with an Indian giver like him. Is there any paperwork? Receipt, promissory notes? If not, I would tell him, "A deal's a deal. I offered to pay you twice and you delayed. Now I am going to pay you when I get the money."
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Post by permutojoe on May 28, 2019 23:54:36 GMT
If he's a friend like you said, try to work it out.
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Post by heeeeey on May 28, 2019 23:59:04 GMT
Tell him his word is worth shit and next time you want everything in writing.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 0:13:27 GMT
I'll try to make this as brief as possible...
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics... I wouldn't want to be friends with an Indian giver like him. Is there any paperwork? Receipt, promissory notes? If not, I would tell him, "A deal's a deal. I offered to pay you twice and you delayed. Now I am going to pay you when I get the money." Thanks for the response. "A deals a deal" is exactly how I feel about this. I think I gave him every opportunity to A) give me a higher price, and B) get paid sooner. In any case, this should still be dealt with in a friendly way since we're buddies. But I guess money does strange things to people.
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Post by Nora on May 29, 2019 0:16:25 GMT
If he's a friend like you said, try to work it out. depending on the quality of the friendship I would try to understand what lead to the change from his perspective. Is there a misunderstanding? What exactly is he upset about? Etc...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 0:18:24 GMT
Well, he's not on dope; but the bipolar thing is a strong possibility. My problem with parting on friendly terms is that I don't think HE will, and I'm afraid this will only happen again. If we do part friendly I know I'll keep my guard up, and that's no way to be buddies. I'd hate to lose a buddy, but in a round about way its my fault for doing business with a friend. The old maxim of money doing strange things to people obviously applies here. Thanks for the response.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 0:19:29 GMT
If he's a friend like you said, try to work it out. Thanks for the response. I know how I'm going to approach the meeting. I'm not the one with the beef. I cant speak for him obviously.
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Post by movieliker on May 29, 2019 0:20:58 GMT
I wouldn't want to be friends with an Indian giver like him. Is there any paperwork? Receipt, promissory notes? If not, I would tell him, "A deal's a deal. I offered to pay you twice and you delayed. Now I am going to pay you when I get the money." Thanks for the response. "A deals a deal" is exactly how I feel about this. I think I gave him every opportunity to A) give me a higher price, and B) get paid sooner. In any case, this should still be dealt with in a friendly way since we're buddies. But I guess money does strange things to people.
Being buddies doesn't give him the right to be an asshole. If you let him screw you over, he won't respect you. And he will keep treating you with disrespect. By giving in, you are only making things worse. And delaying the inevitable. The longer you wait, the worse it will get. And the harder it will be to put your foot down.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 0:21:05 GMT
Tell him his word is worth shit and next time you want everything in writing. Oh, there wont be a next time. Burn me once and all that. Thanks for writing.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 0:28:15 GMT
If he's a friend like you said, try to work it out. depending on the quality of the friendship I would try to understand what lead to the change from his perspective. Is there a misunderstanding? What exactly is he upset about? Etc... I have friends with whom I think that would be the way to go. But in this particular case I don't think there's going to be a rational response. I have the feeling that its just going to be a lot of "he said, he said". I'd rather just pay him out and then keep my distance. The whole thing has a feeling of potentially becoming more than what it is now, and I don't want that.
I'd like to think that we were really buddies, but apparently a bunch of dollar books and a little money are a big deal. Under 100 bucks is the point at which I consider money between friends to not be that big deal. If we were talking something more sizable, 500, 1000, then I could understand.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 0:30:03 GMT
Thanks for the response. "A deals a deal" is exactly how I feel about this. I think I gave him every opportunity to A) give me a higher price, and B) get paid sooner. In any case, this should still be dealt with in a friendly way since we're buddies. But I guess money does strange things to people.
Being buddies doesn't give him the right to be an asshole. If you let him screw you over, he won't respect you. And he will keep treating you with disrespect. By giving in, you are only making things worse. And delaying the inevitable. The longer you wait, the worse it will get. And the harder it will be to put your foot down. Yeah. He gets paid tomorrow, and then from then on I'll just keep it at "hi" and "goodbye".
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Post by poelzig on May 29, 2019 0:49:45 GMT
He finally noticed you had slipped Hulk 181 into the pile. You should have got him drunker before you ran your con. His "I changed the terms" comment is a tip off that he's on to you.
What title did you buy? You left out info like was this a spontaneous purchase or did you go to his business or house or whatever specifically to buy the comics? Was he drinking or distracted or something? Its odd that he went from unconcerned to wanting his money or comics immediately. Maybe some of the issues recently increased in value and he noticed once he saw what you bought. Also theres always the possibility he's trying to scam you by asking you to pay more than what y'all agreed on.
I didn't know you were a comic collector. I have a nice collection. I remember going to comic cons as a kid when those $5 or less boxes you mentioned would have golden age stuff in them in solid condition. Or finding treasures at flea markets or used book stores. Ah. The good old days when there was no internet and adults thought selling 12 cent comics for 50 cents was a can't lose transaction.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 29, 2019 0:56:43 GMT
I've put on my 'guy' hat, and I agree with the above. Sometimes money between friends changes things, and once this has happened, it's best to restore the balance from before, and go on being pals, friends, however you see the relationship, and avoid any future monetary exchanges. Understanding why, or trying to discuss the issue is more of a female response, and rarely improves the situation. Just know that you can't count on him to be rational and straightforward about the exchange of money.
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Post by Nora on May 29, 2019 2:16:45 GMT
depending on the quality of the friendship I would try to understand what lead to the change from his perspective. Is there a misunderstanding? What exactly is he upset about? Etc... I have friends with whom I think that would be the way to go. But in this particular case I don't think there's going to be a rational response. I have the feeling that its just going to be a lot of "he said, he said". I'd rather just pay him out and then keep my distance. The whole thing has a feeling of potentially becoming more than what it is now, and I don't want that.
I'd like to think that we were really buddies, but apparently a bunch of dollar books and a little money are a big deal. Under 100 bucks is the point at which I consider money between friends to not be that big deal. If we were talking something more sizable, 500, 1000, then I could understand.
makes sense. tbh he sounds a bit immature to be acting like you describe.
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Post by Admin on May 29, 2019 7:52:17 GMT
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. I thought this was a friendly deal between friends. I think we might not be friends anymore. what do you guys think? Objectively, you should not have spent the money. I know you said you needed it for bills or whatever, but had you given it to him sooner, you wouldn't have had it then anyway. Like you said, a deal is a deal. You had the comics and the money, and per the deal, one of those was his. You kept the comics and spent his money. Subjectively, y'all are friends. Buddies, you said. He didn't need to be a dick about it. What kind of friend do you have to make an appointment to see, anyway? There's a reason "never do business with friends or family" is a well-known adage.
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Post by Morgana on May 29, 2019 11:10:39 GMT
I'll try to make this as brief as possible...
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. I did not clearly list exactly how many comics I took, but I grabbed approximately 80 to a 100, of one title. He saw the batch.
90% of those books fell in the dollar category which literally means that they were worth 1 dollar. If you've ever been to a comic convention you would know that they are often filled with tables of what are known in the industry as dollar books. These are books the retailer got stuck with too many of and couldn't sell, so now they're selling them on the cheap to get rid of them. Some are good, some are crap, some are in poor condition, by fart they're worth next to nothing.
As I said 90% of the books were of the dollar book variety. The other 10% were worth a little more, but nothing over 5 dollars apiece. In any case all of them were cheap comics that he had tons of, in some cases even 3 copies each. None were in top mint condition.
After grabbing the bunch I wanted, I separated the ones that were worth more than a dollar and showed them to him. I told him those were the ones that might be worth more and that he should look through them. He said $100 for the whole lot.
About an hour later, that same day, I asked again if he was alright with the deal. I wanted to be sure. He said (and this I can quote) "Don't worry, I've already made my profit from this lot". He buys comics in lots of hundreds and thousands and then sells them for more. He does this on the side. Apparently he had already sold so many comics from this lot that he was fine making this deal with me.
before I left I was going to pay him via credit card. (For those who don't know, you can pay people via an app on your cel phone. You can even actually swipe the card! Cool, huh?) He was too lazy to find the swipy thing and said just pay me when you can.
Later that week (3 or so days later), I called and made an appointment with him to come over to his place and pay him. I had the money in cash. We were supposed to meet that day at 5:30pm. At about 3pm he texts me back saying he cant met then. He's decided to do something else. I text back saying "but we had an appointment". He responds by saying "I changed the terms".
The next day I try to make another appointment to meet. Again he'd rather do something else.
In the meantime I had bills that needed paying. So I used the money. I'm not rolling in the dough. I figured I'd get him from my next pay check the following week.
Before my next paycheck he texts me that he wants his money. I text him that now he's going to have to wait. I'll pay him during the week. He texts back "give me back my comics. They're worth five times what you paid for them". So clearly he's suddenly getting upset. I'm like what? I thought this was a friendly deal between friends.
I still plan on paying him in full tomorrow. But after that I think we might not be friends anymore. I feel like this will happen again and I don't need the aggravation.
Accepting, that my facts and figures are correct, what do you guys think? Arrange a meeting then try to find out what caused him to change his mind. Remind him in a friendly way that you made a deal with him and had given him every chance to up the price. If he insists on the higher price give him back the comics. That's what I would do anyway.
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Post by theshape25 on May 29, 2019 13:27:47 GMT
So you try to pay him 3 times and he blows you off. Then he asks for the cash, you tell him he's going to have to wait a few days, and he calls off the deal? The only way I'd give him the comics back is if I had used them as toilet paper first.
Also, what did he mean when he texted you saying, "I've changed the terms"? Was he having second thoughts about the deal then and was upping the price?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 29, 2019 15:49:56 GMT
I'll try to make this as brief as possible...
I have a friend from whom I bought some comics. I did not clearly list exactly how many comics I took, but I grabbed approximately 80 to a 100, of one title. He saw the batch.
90% of those books fell in the dollar category which literally means that they were worth 1 dollar. If you've ever been to a comic convention you would know that they are often filled with tables of what are known in the industry as dollar books. These are books the retailer got stuck with too many of and couldn't sell, so now they're selling them on the cheap to get rid of them. Some are good, some are crap, some are in poor condition, by fart they're worth next to nothing.
As I said 90% of the books were of the dollar book variety. The other 10% were worth a little more, but nothing over 5 dollars apiece. In any case all of them were cheap comics that he had tons of, in some cases even 3 copies each. None were in top mint condition.
After grabbing the bunch I wanted, I separated the ones that were worth more than a dollar and showed them to him. I told him those were the ones that might be worth more and that he should look through them. He said $100 for the whole lot.
About an hour later, that same day, I asked again if he was alright with the deal. I wanted to be sure. He said (and this I can quote) "Don't worry, I've already made my profit from this lot". He buys comics in lots of hundreds and thousands and then sells them for more. He does this on the side. Apparently he had already sold so many comics from this lot that he was fine making this deal with me.
before I left I was going to pay him via credit card. (For those who don't know, you can pay people via an app on your cel phone. You can even actually swipe the card! Cool, huh?) He was too lazy to find the swipy thing and said just pay me when you can.
Later that week (3 or so days later), I called and made an appointment with him to come over to his place and pay him. I had the money in cash. We were supposed to meet that day at 5:30pm. At about 3pm he texts me back saying he cant met then. He's decided to do something else. I text back saying "but we had an appointment". He responds by saying "I changed the terms".
The next day I try to make another appointment to meet. Again he'd rather do something else.
In the meantime I had bills that needed paying. So I used the money. I'm not rolling in the dough. I figured I'd get him from my next pay check the following week.
Before my next paycheck he texts me that he wants his money. I text him that now he's going to have to wait. I'll pay him during the week. He texts back "give me back my comics. They're worth five times what you paid for them". So clearly he's suddenly getting upset. I'm like what? I thought this was a friendly deal between friends.
I still plan on paying him in full tomorrow. But after that I think we might not be friends anymore. I feel like this will happen again and I don't need the aggravation.
Accepting, that my facts and figures are correct, what do you guys think? lenlen.., it depends on how much you value this friendship and from what you have described, you did the honest and noble thing by pointing out what was worth more than a buck. Since he wasn't too interested in the money at that time—otherwise he would have found the app—what you could do is when you get around to paying him, just spin bit of reverse psychology on him, but not in a malicious way.
Just give him a Sorry buddy!....and tell him that you apologize for the delay in payment and that you didn't get the chance to catch up with him when originally arranged and perhaps give him a little extra for the inconvenience, say like 10% @ $110.00. That way you would see his response or reaction and see if he is genuine in his friendship. Don't make it about him being nonchalant and glib with the other transactions. If he starts going on then about it still being a good deal, he then wasn't being honest with his statement about already making enough money when you brought the value of the comics to his attention in the first place and his generosity wasn't without condition. Good luck pal! I'll think about it. Thanks for the response.
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