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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 23:54:27 GMT
like...can you see me now? this thread I mean...
some days it's hard to tell...
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 1, 2019 3:14:18 GMT
Yes. You still exist, CheetahCandyOE.
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2019 20:35:36 GMT
If you think, you are.
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Post by general313 on Jun 4, 2019 19:03:32 GMT
No, existence, like consciousness is an illusion.
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 19:26:49 GMT
No, existence, like consciousness is an illusion. What is the source of that illusion?
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 4, 2019 19:46:51 GMT
" If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forestIf I shutdown my internet, and turn off my computer, forever... Will @cheetahcandyoe continue to exist, and continue to post to this forum? 'We' may never know... LOL!
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 19:50:28 GMT
" If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" That question has always annoyed me. Yes, of course it does. It does not need to be heard to exist.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 4, 2019 20:02:01 GMT
That question has always annoyed me. Yes, of course it does. It does not need to be heard to exist. I agree it should make a sound. But do we know for sure if we're not there to confirm? I may be wrong... But... I think the question has to do with our EARS... A tree crashing would create sonic WAVES... But, those WAVES would need to interact with a person's EAR DRUMS to become a "SOUND"...
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 20:02:34 GMT
That question has always annoyed me. Yes, of course it does. It does not need to be heard to exist. I agree it should make a sound. But do we kbow for sure if we're not there to confirm? Because we know that all falling trees on this planet make a sound. The question is really a matter of whether or not it needs to be heard for it to be a sound. One may as well say that a transmission is not a transmission if it's not received, as if turning off your radio makes the radio stations suddenly stop transmitting. Audio waves are produced whether or not anyone hears them.
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 20:04:20 GMT
I agree it should make a sound. But do we know for sure if we're not there to confirm? I may be wrong... But... I think the question has to do with our EARS... A tree crashing would create sonic WAVES... But, those WAVES would need to interact with a person's EAR DRUMS to become a "SOUND"... You're sitting in a room with a deaf man and music is playing. You hear it, but the deaf man doesn't. What happens now?
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 4, 2019 20:11:23 GMT
You're sitting in a room with a deaf man and music is playing. You hear it, but the deaf man doesn't. What happens now? Well, I suppose there could be several solutions to this conundrum... Here is one: If the deaf man, recently became deaf, and hated the music that you like to listen to... Both of you could be very happy!
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 20:17:13 GMT
You're sitting in a room with a deaf man and music is playing. You hear it, but the deaf man doesn't. What happens now? Well, I suppose there could be several solutions to this conundrum... Here is one: If the deaf man, recently became deaf, and hated the music that you like to listen to... Both of you could be very happy! Ok, but it is still making a sound, and that doesn't change just because someone can't hear it.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 4, 2019 20:31:04 GMT
Well, I suppose there could be several solutions to this conundrum... Here is one: If the deaf man, recently became deaf, and hated the music that you like to listen to... Both of you could be very happy! Ok, but it is still making a sound, and that doesn't change just because someone can't hear it. False Equivalency... In the original example... NO ONE was around to hear the "sound"... In your Example... SOME ONE is around who can hear the "sound"... The deaf person can not hear anything... Sound-WAVES or Not... Because his Ear Drums "don't work". The Sound-WAVES interact with out ear drums in a certain way which our brains interpret as a tree falling, and not something like a trumpet being played... As I said, I think, but I may be wrong... WAVES are not SOUNDS... In other words, I think the original question is a trick question...
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 4, 2019 20:42:27 GMT
AdminNo "Ears"... No Sound...
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 20:44:48 GMT
Ok, but it is still making a sound, and that doesn't change just because someone can't hear it. False Equivalency... In the original example... NO ONE was around to hear the "sound"... In your Example... SOME ONE is around who can hear the "sound"... The deaf person can not hear anything... Sound-WAVES or Not... Because his Ear Drums "don't work". The Sound-WAVES interact with out ear drums in a certain way which our brains interpret as a tree falling, and not something like a trumpet being played... As I said, I think, but I may be wrong... WAVES are not SOUNDS... In other words, I think the original question is a trick question... It's based on the definition of "sound," but however it's defined, the song remains the same. Does the tree make a sound? Yes. Does it make a sound we can hear? Yes. Does it make a sound we can hear if we're not there to hear it? Of course not. The analogy I provided demonstrates that the sound is there regardless of who can (or can't) hear it. To put it another way: If I throw a ball and no one is there to catch it, why isn't the ball still in my hand?
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 20:47:33 GMT
AdminNo "Ears"... No Sound... "Sound is vibration." It doesn't matter if it's recognized or not. As I said, a transmission is still a transmission regardless of whether or not it's received. Contrary to what quantum mechanics may have us believe, observation does not create the observed.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 4, 2019 21:03:16 GMT
Contrary to what quantum mechanics may have us believe, observation does not create the observed. Or rather, what people who don't understand quantum physics would have us believe. . . .
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 21:07:56 GMT
Contrary to what quantum mechanics may have us believe, observation does not create the observed. Or rather, what people who don't understand quantum physics would have us believe. . . . "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics." -Niels Bohr At any rate, looking in the box is not what determines the cat's state.
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Post by general313 on Jun 4, 2019 21:33:41 GMT
No, existence, like consciousness is an illusion. What is the source of that illusion? The illusory universe. I should clarify, I don't actually believe that those are illusions, but I do think it's impossible to truly tell one way or the other, and therefore they aren't scientific concepts. I'm fine with applying Occam's razor and making the assumption that they're real. Or for simplicity accepting that they're real by definition.
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2019 21:46:00 GMT
What is the source of that illusion? The illusory universe. I should clarify, I don't actually believe that those are illusions, but I do think it's impossible to truly tell one way or the other, and therefore they aren't scientific concepts. I'm fine with applying Occam's razor and making the assumption that they're real. Or for simplicity accepting that they're real by definition. This reminds me of those who say science is everything, then berate people for stepping outside the realm of science.
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