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Post by scabab on Jun 5, 2019 23:19:56 GMT
It's well-known that Disney has a lot of influence over RT. This looks like a case of Disney making sure that the last X-Men movie gets bad reviews so when MCU makes their 1st X-Men movie, they can say how it great is compared to the last X-Men movie. I don't buy into those flat earther conspiracies. X-Men Apocalypse was already just a mediocre movie to begin with. This looked worse from the get go, with all the delays, changing the ending, redoing the same Dark Phoenix storyline and the fact that the director of this movie has never directed another movie before and is just a producer meant that this was never going to be any good.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 5, 2019 23:34:09 GMT
It doesn't even matter who owns Rottentomatoes. All of the critics on the site are independent and work for multiple different media companies. RT just aggregates the reviews. And RT changed their aggregation algorithm to suppress negative reviews for Captain Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 0:47:49 GMT
I'm not shocked one bit by this at all. Everything was out there telling us this film was going to be dog shit. Whether it was the first time director, the yet again random decade jump, the delays, the reshoots, the cast that was introduced in Apocalypse that barely anyone seemed to connect with. It was all there so anybody shocked by this either lived under a rock or just refused to believe anything they were seeing or hearing.
Jeremy Jahns review made me laugh. I knew this movie was going to be bad but what I was wondering was whether or not it would be Origins bad. Jahns seems to think that it's indeed worse. The only hope this movie has is really if it's a "so bad it's good" type of movie like a Batman & Robin.
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Post by scabab on Jun 6, 2019 1:02:55 GMT
At least it's gone up a little.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 6, 2019 1:07:45 GMT
I'm curious to see what the Audience score will look like.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 6, 2019 16:09:19 GMT
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jun 6, 2019 18:03:28 GMT
When you're looking for consistently good/great superhero movies, time and again, the MCU is the only game in town. mcu films are held to a low standard, X-Men are top tier cbms , so critics are less forgiving , and are less likely to give pass to subpar films the mcu films get But even if that were true, which I don’t personally believe, wouldn’t that just mean that the MCU gets overinflated reviews while every other review should be pretty accurate? If critics are comparing Dark Phoenix to the greatest X-Men films and the rating is coming in at 21%, even less than the universally hated Origins, well then that means the movie sucks, regardless of how or why they rate MCU films. And honestly I don’t understand how these conversations on the FoX-Men board turn into MCU hate/love fests.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 6, 2019 19:06:33 GMT
mcu films are held to a low standard, X-Men are top tier cbms , so critics are less forgiving , and are less likely to give pass to subpar films the mcu films get But even if that were true, which I don’t personally believe, wouldn’t that just mean that the MCU gets overinflated reviews while every other review should be pretty accurate? If critics are comparing Dark Phoenix to the greatest X-Men films and the rating is coming in at 21%, even less than the universally hated Origins, well then that means the movie sucks, regardless of how or why they rate MCU films. And honestly I don’t understand how these conversations on the FoX-Men board turn into MCU hate/love fests. Somehow the great ratings for X-Men, Sony and DC movies are correct. The bad ratings for X-men, Sony and DC movies is somehow wrong and Marvel/Disney's fault. Also all of Disney/Marvel ratings are wrong.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jun 6, 2019 19:12:25 GMT
But even if that were true, which I don’t personally believe, wouldn’t that just mean that the MCU gets overinflated reviews while every other review should be pretty accurate? If critics are comparing Dark Phoenix to the greatest X-Men films and the rating is coming in at 21%, even less than the universally hated Origins, well then that means the movie sucks, regardless of how or why they rate MCU films. And honestly I don’t understand how these conversations on the FoX-Men board turn into MCU hate/love fests. Somehow the great ratings for X-Men, Sony and DC movies are correct. The bad ratings for X-men, Sony and DC movies is somehow wrong and Marvel/Disney's fault. Also all of Disney/Marvel ratings are wrong. How blissful it must feel to live in a selective reality.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2019 6:25:28 GMT
Somehow the great ratings for X-Men, Sony and DC movies are correct. The bad ratings for X-men, Sony and DC movies is somehow wrong and Marvel/Disney's fault. Also all of Disney/Marvel ratings are wrong. How blissful it must feel to live in a selective reality. Yeah, it's nearly an omega-level mutant ability on this board. Many in this thread are dead or dying. They just need to sit up for a sec and close the lid on their own caskets --- so I can start harmonizing.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2019 6:26:50 GMT
It doesn't even matter who owns Rottentomatoes. All of the critics on the site are independent and work for multiple different media companies. RT just aggregates the reviews. And RT changed their aggregation algorithm to suppress negative reviews for Captain Marvel. Nah, they did it to stop neckbeards from doing dumb shit.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2019 6:33:25 GMT
"I've seen better directing on Pornhub!" Armin Stojanovic -The Comic Book Cast
Hee hee hee...
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 7, 2019 6:52:14 GMT
Can't really say I'm surprised by the low ratings. This movie had mediocre painted all over it.
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Post by dazz on Jun 7, 2019 7:11:45 GMT
mcu films are held to a low standard, X-Men are top tier cbms , so critics are less forgiving , and are less likely to give pass to subpar films the mcu films get If critics are comparing Dark Phoenix to the greatest X-Men films and the rating is coming in at 21%, even less than the universally hated Origins, well then that means the movie sucks, regardless of how or why they rate MCU films. Not really 21% is just the Tomatometer which is just a ratio indication 21% of reviews are positive, meaning 1 out of 5 critics like the movie, the highest possible average rating for a "rotten" movie can be like 8.3/10, where as the lowest possible score for a fresh movie can be like 3.6/10, MOS for instance is a "rotten" film but has an average rating above 6/10 which is what in individual reviews constitutes a good movie.
The Tomatometer is bullshit, look at the average scores for a better indication on a movies actual quality, Dark Phoenix for instance has an average rating of 4.5/10, but that is Suicide Squad level rating.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 7, 2019 10:44:05 GMT
Rotten Tomatoes has added Verified Audience Score and All Audience Score. " For films to which we can verify users have bought tickets, the Audience Score is made up of Verified Ratings."
Right now Verified is 66% with 3.71 All Audience is 62% with 3.46
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 7, 2019 20:18:32 GMT
I'm not shocked one bit by this at all. Everything was out there telling us this film was going to be dog shit. Whether it was the first time director, the yet again random decade jump, the delays, the reshoots, the cast that was introduced in Apocalypse that barely anyone seemed to connect with. It was all there so anybody shocked by this either lived under a rock or just refused to believe anything they were seeing or hearing. Jeremy Jahns review made me laugh. I knew this movie was going to be bad but what I was wondering was whether or not it would be Origins bad. Jahns seems to think that it's indeed worse. The only hope this movie has is really if it's a "so bad it's good" type of movie like a Batman & Robin. It’s not Origins bad. I don’t agree with Jeremy at all about the effects being bad. Its a competently made mediocre movie.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2019 21:38:31 GMT
I'm not shocked one bit by this at all. Everything was out there telling us this film was going to be dog shit. Whether it was the first time director, the yet again random decade jump, the delays, the reshoots, the cast that was introduced in Apocalypse that barely anyone seemed to connect with. It was all there so anybody shocked by this either lived under a rock or just refused to believe anything they were seeing or hearing. Jeremy Jahns review made me laugh. I knew this movie was going to be bad but what I was wondering was whether or not it would be Origins bad. Jahns seems to think that it's indeed worse. The only hope this movie has is really if it's a "so bad it's good" type of movie like a Batman & Robin. It’s not Origins bad. I don’t agree with Jeremy at all about the effects being bad. Its a competently made mediocre movie. Some of the direction is first-year-film-student bad.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 7, 2019 22:39:27 GMT
It’s not Origins bad. I don’t agree with Jeremy at all about the effects being bad. Its a competently made mediocre movie. Some of the direction is first-year-film-student bad. Can you elaborate? Not saying you are wrong, just curious.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 7, 2019 23:56:27 GMT
Some of the direction is first-year-film-student bad. Can you elaborate? Not saying you are wrong, just curious. I don't want to spoil the film for anyone who wants to see it... Other than Turner's performance, which was good and not great, the whole movie felt forced, rushed, and undercooked. Everything from blocking choices to dialogue to the direction of basic reactions from actors and extras was poor. As a director, Kinberg does not know where to spend time on something important and where to move things along when needed.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 8, 2019 0:12:24 GMT
Can you elaborate? Not saying you are wrong, just curious. I don't want to spoil the film for anyone who wants to see it... Other than Turner's performance, which was good and not great, the whole movie felt forced, rushed, and undercooked. Everything from blocking choices to dialogue to the direction of basic reactions from actors and extras was poor. As a director, Kinberg does not know where to spend time on something important and where to move things along when needed. Just use a spoiler tag, bruh! I don’t think it being undercooked Kinberg’s doing because the original cut explored the D’Bari’s manipulation of Jean a lot more and had her attack the United Nations. This version only has her own Magneto and makes Xavier walk. They should have just kept that and add in action scenes to it despite the similarities Civil War honestly.
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