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Post by THawk on Jun 5, 2019 21:22:39 GMT
Zero Dark Phoenix.
This film was a unique experience. Dark, brooding, psychological, really as good as X-men gets in that regard. And it was definitely a very good film, though I am not too sure how good yet. The understated, low-key tone makes it stand out dramatically from the others in the franchise, and for the most part it worked very well. I did feel though that it played that card a bit too heavily, so much so that the big moments did not stand out as strongly as they could have. The ending was...I am not sure what to think of it yet. Jean Grey's fate is expected and inevitable, so it was what it was, but it was hard to believe all the characters were immediately resigned to her being "gone." It definitely did not feel like and was not presented as a death. Xavier and Magneto's ending with the chess was nostalgic, bittersweet...I liked it, but I wanted more. And I still want more from this franchise, it can deliver more great movies. If the actors are up for it, nothing should stop them. But I am also excited to see where its future with Marvel lies.
A 7...or 8...
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 7, 2019 20:16:04 GMT
So I went offline before the embargo lifted. Wanted to watch the movie blind and go in with zero expectations and I did. Had no idea what its reception was until after I saw it.
That said, I thought the movie was decent but nothing special. Good action, SFX, acting, and never drags. I thought it was an improvement over Apocalypse, better X3 and Origins. So I’m kinda shocked that it’s RT meter is below Origins. I did have a feeling that this was going to be another Godzilla 2 where it has good social media reaction but not good critical reception.
Btw, I called who Jessica Chastin was playing months ago.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 9, 2019 3:08:10 GMT
Zero Dark Phoenix. This film was a unique experience. Dark, brooding, psychological, really as good as X-men gets in that regard. And it was definitely a very good film, though I am not too sure how good yet. The understated, low-key tone makes it stand out dramatically from the others in the franchise, and for the most part it worked very well. I did feel though that it played that card a bit too heavily, so much so that the big moments did not stand out as strongly as they could have. The ending was...I am not sure what to think of it yet. Jean Grey's fate is expected and inevitable, so it was what it was, but it was hard to believe all the characters were immediately resigned to her being "gone." It definitely did not feel like and was not presented as a death. Xavier and Magneto's ending with the chess was nostalgic, bittersweet...I liked it, but I wanted more. And I still want more from this franchise, it can deliver more great movies. If the actors are up for it, nothing should stop them. But I am also excited to see where its future with Marvel lies. A 7...or 8... Just saw it. It's a good movie. Best CBM of 2019. It's obvious that the critics didn't like it because it didn't have lame jokes and 1-liners throughout the movie. I still want more from this franchise too and I'm not excited at all to see future X-Men movies under the MCU banner because MCU will just throw in a bunch of lame jokes and 1-liners.
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Post by rogerthat on Jun 9, 2019 3:18:03 GMT
Zero Dark Phoenix. This film was a unique experience. Dark, brooding, psychological, really as good as X-men gets in that regard. And it was definitely a very good film, though I am not too sure how good yet. The understated, low-key tone makes it stand out dramatically from the others in the franchise, and for the most part it worked very well. I did feel though that it played that card a bit too heavily, so much so that the big moments did not stand out as strongly as they could have. The ending was...I am not sure what to think of it yet. Jean Grey's fate is expected and inevitable, so it was what it was, but it was hard to believe all the characters were immediately resigned to her being "gone." It definitely did not feel like and was not presented as a death. Xavier and Magneto's ending with the chess was nostalgic, bittersweet...I liked it, but I wanted more. And I still want more from this franchise, it can deliver more great movies. If the actors are up for it, nothing should stop them. But I am also excited to see where its future with Marvel lies. A 7...or 8... Just saw it. It's a good movie. It's obvious that the critics didn't like it because it didn't have lame jokes and 1-liners throughout the movie. I still want more from this franchise too and I'm not excited at all to see future X-Men movies under the MCU banner because MCU will just throw in a bunch of lame jokes and 1-liners. You mean like Shazam?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 10, 2019 13:49:23 GMT
Full spoilers.
I liked it. Most of the franchise has been awful, and Dark Phoenix had the same problems as those films; but for whatever reason, I liked it. This could be the most backhanded compliment in history but here goes. It's like BvS in that it doesn't make sense if you haven't seen the previous films, but you have to ignore those films for this story to work. It's like some trippy dreamworld alternate take of the characters you've been following all this time. Suddenly the X-Men are the Avengers of this world, a true superhero team that the world relies on in times of crisis. Magneto is leading a commune (forget that he was responsible for tens of thousands of death at least in Apocalypse), on land apparently given to him by the government?
Let me get the bad out of the way first. The writing was atrocious at times, including all of Mystique's dialog (as usual); the aliens that have infiltrated society are reduced to zombie level intelligence in the final fight, kicking and clawing at a moving train. Nobody other than Beast seems to care in this film when someone dies. Xavier literally laughs Hank off when Hank blames him for Mystique's death. Xavier informs a young Jean that her parents are dead and she responds by asking what's going to happen to her now. Not one tear over her parents, whom she just killed. The President cuts off all communication with Xavier because one mutant goes berserk? That's not how diplomacy works. I'll give Magneto's apparent pardon after taking part in a near extinction level event a free pass since as I said, you have to ignore the previous films for this to work. But the idea that he would refuse to help Jean is ridiculous. He of all people should know what she's going through and want to guide her through this.
Mystique openly questions why they're helping people and I don't understand why. Her character would have to be a moron not to understand why it's good to help people in principle, as well as the socio-political value being viewed as heroes brings to mutantkind. "Why are we risking our lives to save their people," that whole conversation was ridiculous. Don't even get me started on the X-women stuff. "The women are always saving the men around here." What? The entire rescue was 80% Nightcrawler, 10% Quicksilver, 5% Cyclops, with Storm and Jean both using their powers in ways that didn't seem to affect the outcome of the mission at all. In fact, the only thing Jean accomplished by going back was getting blown up and absorbing the phoenix force after the rest of the team has escaped.
It's also frustrating that they overpowered Quicksilver to the point that they constantly follow the same formula with him in every film. He gets a great action sequence at the beginning, and then they find a way to incapacitate him (or just write him out completely in DOFP) because he'd resolve the plot of the film by himself if you let him. Still don't understand why he got hurt. The world moves in slow motion for him. If you pull the rug out, you're doing it in slow motion; regardless he's going to fall in what feels like slow motion to him, not tumble completely out of control. This gripe is more of a nitpick I suppose, but I wish they'd find a way to even out his powers so you could actually use him in a climactic scene for once.
There are other nitpicks such as how Storm's powers work in space or why they make it a point of emphasis that Kurt needs to see something to teleport there, but doesn't follow that rule at all, but fluctuating powers are part of superhero stories so I'll let it go. The powers do what the writers want them to do in that scene and I didn't think anything in this film was too egregious on that front.
Alright I said I liked it so let's get to the good stuff. I enjoyed the X-Men as the superhero team. It works better as a story concept for me, and they have the added dynamic of being the team that people love, but as Xavier points out, they're a bad day away from being hated and feared all over again. There's a tension to each mission that doesn't exist or at least isn't addressed until the events of Civil War in the Avengers universe. For that matter, the team doesn't have the swagger and confidence of an Avengers squad. It's an added level of emotional stakes for the characters when they acknowledge they're in over their heads; they don't know if they can actually do this stuff, but they're going to try because it's their job.
Despite the world being at stake as the aliens want to take it for their own, the story was more personal, more focused on how it affected the protagonists than the world at large. A refreshing take on superheroics at the moment, after the chaos of Apocalypse in this universe and Endgame in the MCU. The final train battle was a little (ok, very) tropey, but the film didn't find it necessary to destroy a city despite some insanely powerful characters going head to head. They kept the action centered on the characters and their immediate surroundings. May have been a financial consideration in the production, but I appreciated it nonetheless.
The final scenes lacked the emotion I think they were going for; whether it's because I'm not as into the X-Men or the fact that the franchise has been rebooted 17 times so we feel like we barely know anyone, who can say? But it still featured some decent character moments (if still bogged down by hammy dialog). For the record I'm not the world's biggest Sophie Turner fan but I have to disagree with the criticism aimed at her in this film. She isn't going to win an academy award for this but she was fine, this wasn't some cringeworthy performance by an actress in over her head.
Little things I enjoyed: The Dazzler cameo, and the fact that they didn't feel compelled to go overboard with easter eggs like that given this was the final Fox installment of the franchise. The aliens were somewhat generic but didn't go over the top even when the potential was there. The train fight, as unoriginal as the setting may be, featured some nifty use of character powers. Despite its tone, a superhero film still requires action and I thought the film had solid sequences and good pacing. (Some would argue the entire concept was rushed, and they wouldn't be wrong, but the finished product in this film itself worked well enough.)
All in all it was a fitting end to the Fox-Men for better and worse. To my mind, Dark Phoenix showcased all that had gone wrong with the franchise over the years but also its potential for greatness through the tone they always strived for (by my count this film featured a single moment of humor, yet it never felt overly depressing or grimdark). It told the story it wanted to tell on its own terms. It's probably a 5 or 6/10 while I want to give it a 7, probably because I was expecting a 2. I enjoyed watching the film and I can see myself watching it again, which is more than I can say for most of the franchise.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 16, 2019 19:30:51 GMT
I had to abstain from voting as there is no zero on this scale. Good day, gentlemen.
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Post by ShrunkenHeadonKnightBus on Jun 19, 2019 0:23:07 GMT
Zero Dark Phoenix. This film was a unique experience. Dark, brooding, psychological, really as good as X-men gets in that regard. And it was definitely a very good film, though I am not too sure how good yet. The understated, low-key tone makes it stand out dramatically from the others in the franchise, and for the most part it worked very well. I did feel though that it played that card a bit too heavily, so much so that the big moments did not stand out as strongly as they could have. The ending was...I am not sure what to think of it yet. Jean Grey's fate is expected and inevitable, so it was what it was, but it was hard to believe all the characters were immediately resigned to her being "gone." It definitely did not feel like and was not presented as a death. Xavier and Magneto's ending with the chess was nostalgic, bittersweet...I liked it, but I wanted more. And I still want more from this franchise, it can deliver more great movies. If the actors are up for it, nothing should stop them. But I am also excited to see where its future with Marvel lies. A 7...or 8... Just saw it. It's a good movie. Best CBM of 2019. It's obvious that the critics didn't like it because it didn't have lame jokes and 1-liners throughout the movie. I still want more from this franchise too and I'm not excited at all to see future X-Men movies under the MCU banner because MCU will just throw in a bunch of lame jokes and 1-liners. Yeah, it’s not like the (Fo)X-Men Films ever had lame jokes and 1-liners before
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Post by miike80 on Jun 19, 2019 7:32:27 GMT
Just saw it. It's a good movie. Best CBM of 2019. It's obvious that the critics didn't like it because it didn't have lame jokes and 1-liners throughout the movie. I still want more from this franchise too and I'm not excited at all to see future X-Men movies under the MCU banner because MCU will just throw in a bunch of lame jokes and 1-liners. Yeah, it’s not like the (Fo)X-Men Films ever had lame jokes and 1-liners before The toad one is the lamest joke in any super-hero movie hands down
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Post by HorrorMetal on Jun 23, 2019 1:25:18 GMT
6/10
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Post by James on Dec 4, 2019 1:43:37 GMT
6/10. I expected it to be substandard so it was just okay.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 4, 2019 2:26:24 GMT
X-Men: Dark Phoenix review:
I'll address that X-Women scene first. It was CRINGEWORTHY. I'm not sure if I would go as far as calling this whole film as "man-hating film" just because of that scene, but it's still an incredibly nasty way of applying feminism into a film, especially given that this scene takes place AFTER that space rescue in which Quicksilver and Nightcrawler, both of whom are male, did most of the jobs. Also, that remark came the f**k out of nowhere towards the end of a completely different conversation, so the conversation's topic is suddenly broken.
And here's the thing - that scene is actually the least of the film's problem. The biggest problem is that the film itself is @$$. To start off, dialogues were terrible and characters were either wasted or ruined. Almost every one of them make(s) utterly out-of-character decisions at least once throughout the film and their actions are so poorly explained to a point where I was keep rolling my eyes while I was watching it. As for villains, they suck! They brought in Jessica Chastain to play a main villainess and barely did anything with her! Their goal is so lousy as well. I can understand them wanting to take Jean Grey's power to build a new home, but why do they need to wipe out the mankind? As far as I remember, they travel with their own spaceship so they could find a barren planet to settle and rebuild their home there. Speaking of which, what happened to THAT spaceship after the film ended? They left it at the Earth's low orbit and we never get to see it again.
Now, I know that the film's $200 million budget was a result of reshoots, but even then, it honestly feels too confined for a film like this. I've heard that Simon Kinberg tried to make this into a small-scaled character study, but that was probably a bad idea for something like Dark Phoenix Saga. And even without the budget issue, the makeup for Mystique was AWFUL! It somehow managed to look even cheaper than the makeup from previous X-Men films, which is unbelievable since it's not like this film's other production aspects were that bad. The makeup for Beast wasn't too bad and set designs didn't have much issues either. How did they manage to goof up Mystique's makeup so badly like that? - and yes, her makeup looks worse than that from X-Men: First Class, which has a cheap look overall (Update: Now that I think about it, X-Men outfits also looked cheap - again, even more so than X-Men: First Class).
One fortunate thing about this film is that it's not on the same level with Fant4stic. Scores by Hans Zimmer was serviceable at least, actors did decent job given what they had to work with, CGIs weren't as bad as I've heard, cinematography was decent enough, and that train fight scene at the end was entertaining. But even then, the film honestly feels rather empty overall.
My overall grade: C-
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