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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 7, 2019 17:42:44 GMT
I’m wondering if not feeling shame means not feeling bad about things your group of people have done against other groups of people. I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Maybe I misinterpreted your first question? I’m just thinking about how the marchers might feel about themselves, that’s all.
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Post by bd74 on Jun 7, 2019 18:05:43 GMT
Gay pride parades in general are an embarrassment. It's largely just a bunch of men wearing banana hammocks or leather/bondage attire.
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Post by mecano04 on Jun 7, 2019 21:01:22 GMT
This whole debate stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the meaning of the word “pride” in the expression “gay pride” (or “black pride”, for that matter). It’s not supposed to be interpreted literally as “I am proud to be gay”. What it means, in context, is this: since basically forever, gays risked being insulted, ostracized, fired, beaten, imprisoned or worse if they revealed their homosexuality. Now in some countries after decades of struggle, that is no longer the case. ‘Gay Pride” means simply “Fuck you, we aren’t going to be ashamed of being gay anymore”. Since no straight person has ever risked anything by being straight, or been insulted or beaten for being straight, or being made to feel ashamed of being straight, “straight pride” makes no sense whatsoever.
The ONLY possible motivation for a "straight pride" event is as a backlash against the acceptance of homosexuality. That is why it is not OK.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jun 7, 2019 21:57:38 GMT
Every day everywhere is a celebration of straight people. They have never had to hide who they are or have been persecuted. To insist on being recognized this way comes across as ignorant of history and a bit stupid. That's not really true. Really, it is though.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jun 7, 2019 22:00:48 GMT
Because liberal logic. Gay pride good, straight pride bad. Black power good, white power bad; particularly if you are a man. Remember, white males are the worst. THE. WORST. No one is saying that, I'm not. But you'd have to be oblivious to not realize straight white men have had the run of things, been the majority, for a really long time. I'm a straight white dude but I don't see the need for a parade. Gay men do, let them have it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 22:03:07 GMT
Because it's kind of a mockery. On the flipside, why do we even have black history month, gay pride month, breast cancer month, women's month, etc.? it's like singling out white men as the base, from which all other groups are just variants. hahaha the white man is the only group without a holiday, how is that supposed to make them feel?
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 7, 2019 22:56:16 GMT
Of course it is. Every day, everywhere one looks - advertising, TV and film, all manner of public spaces - heterosexuality is openly displayed and celebrated.* Do you really disagree? *Not that there's anything wrong with that. Two very different things. To celebrate means to acknowledge something of significance with a public event or some kind of accolades. Is being straight a an accomplishment? No. No it is not (neither is being gay btw). Being straight is acknowledged, not celebrated. We may have to agree to disagree on some of these points. People celebrate things, significant and not, in all manner of ways big and small; some people celebrate with a cocktail nothing more than the finish of another workweek. "Significant?" Dunno. For 80 years, the city in which I live has staged an annual "Lilac Festival" (including a downtown parade) originally organized by garden clubs and floral societies to showcase both the spring blooms (which are present every year with or without a celebration) and local area youth (ditto). People throw parties all the time for no reason at all, except that they feel like it and have friends who'll attend. Are those "celebrations?" "Accomplishments?" Search me. As suggested by my later reply, it's not that sexuality is any kind of "accomplishment," but pride in it, and the freedom to be open and public about it, as opposed to hiding in fear, is. That's something we made happen simply by doing it, and - not so simply - by mounting efforts legislative, judicial and otherwise, year by year, decade after decade, to secure the legal rights to do so. That's something straight people have never had to do, but if any of them wish to organize a parade if only to honor their own existence, I won't begrudge them that. Now, I can certainly see how something that's easy for straight society to take for granted can be viewed as mere acknowledgement. Being able to walk down a public street holding hands with their significant other without getting attacked or, as in earlier days, arrested and incarcerated, may not strike you as something worth celebrating. It is when there were times - within the lives of some of us - when you couldn't. Same goes for black pride: when it was once the case that you couldn't walk down any street at any hour of the day, or enter any business establishment, achieving the rights to do so is an accomplishment in which to take pride every day. As is, for example, securing our independence as a nation, even though we officially celebrate it only once a year. When straight people openly state they've been married XX years and have X children and even grandchildren, or display photos of those families on their desks or from their wallets, I've rarely detected anything running counter to a sense of pride therein. Hell, when you think about it, maybe always having had the ability to do so without giving it a second thought is something straight people should celebrate, with or without parades. Because look how fortunate you've been. And I'll add with a note of irony that it's only fair numbers of those very same straight people, bothered by the existence of others not exactly like them in their sexuality, who've made it impossible for gay people to do so. As I've always said, the only problem with being gay is straight people who want to make it one.
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Post by vegalyra on Jun 7, 2019 23:14:34 GMT
I'll just chime in on one thing I learned in Family Law while at law school... With the decision in Obergefell, there is literally no grounds for anti-polygamy laws anymore. The Edmunds Act should be repealed. My professor was pretty adamant about this, I don't know if he was a closet polygamist or not.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 7, 2019 23:26:22 GMT
I'll just chime in on one thing I learned in Family Law while at law school... With the decision in Obergefell, there is literally no grounds for anti-polygamy laws anymore. The Edmunds Act should be repealed. My professor was pretty adamant about this, I don't know if he was a closet polygamist or not. Although it's no longer legal for any state to restrict marriage only to certain couples (for the time being, anyway), each still maintains control of their own laws and requirements thereof. I have no personal opinion about polygamy itself, but the legal tangle and possible pitfalls of formally recognizing such unions is something boggling to contemplate.
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Post by vegalyra on Jun 7, 2019 23:28:33 GMT
I'll just chime in on one thing I learned in Family Law while at law school... With the decision in Obergefell, there is literally no grounds for anti-polygamy laws anymore. The Edmunds Act should be repealed. My professor was pretty adamant about this, I don't know if he was a closet polygamist or not. Although it's no longer legal for any state to restrict marriage only to certain couples (for the time being, anyway), each still maintains control of their own laws and requirements thereof. I have no personal opinion about polygamy itself, but the legal tangle and possible pitfalls of formally recognizing such unions is something boggling to contemplate. Yes, he mentioned the potential tax consequences and also that it might get the Federal and state governments out of the marriage business altogether if it were legalized.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 8, 2019 12:17:38 GMT
Because liberal logic. Gay pride good, straight pride bad. Black power good, white power bad; particularly if you are a man. Remember, white males are the worst. THE. WORST. No one is saying that, I'm not. But you'd have to be oblivious to not realize straight white men have had the run of things, been the majority, for a really long time. I'm a straight white dude but I don't see the need for a parade. Gay men do, let them have it. Literally not true.The left balks at the words "white power" and "straight pride" while defending the opposites. One is good, the other is not. Plain as day. Christ, you just practically did it yourself. I don't fucking care. That has nothing to do with me and I'm sick of being told how fucking awful I am because I'm the same color as the people in charge. You wouldn't stand for someone judging blacks, gays, or Hispanics the way you people throw blanket statements around about white people.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jun 8, 2019 12:41:47 GMT
No one is saying that, I'm not. But you'd have to be oblivious to not realize straight white men have had the run of things, been the majority, for a really long time. I'm a straight white dude but I don't see the need for a parade. Gay men do, let them have it. Literally not true.The left balks at the words "white power" and "straight pride" while defending the opposites. One is good, the other is not. Plain as day. Christ, you just practically did it yourself. I don't fucking care. That has nothing to do with me and I'm sick of being told how fucking awful I am because I'm the same color as the people in charge. You wouldn't stand for someone judging blacks, gays, or Hispanics the way you people throw blanket statements around about white people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 14:49:41 GMT
Two very different things. To celebrate means to acknowledge something of significance with a public event or some kind of accolades. Is being straight a an accomplishment? No. No it is not (neither is being gay btw). Being straight is acknowledged, not celebrated. As suggested by my later reply, it's not that sexuality is any kind of "accomplishment," but pride in it, and the freedom to be open and public about it, as opposed to hiding in fear, is. That's something we made happen simply by doing it, and - not so simply - by mounting efforts legislative, judicial and otherwise, year by year, decade after decade, to secure the legal rights to do so. That's something straight people have never had to do, but if any of them wish to organize a parade if only to honor their own existence, I won't begrudge them that. On that note, I think we should hold an infidelity pride parade as well. Why should adulterers hide in shame for something they enjoy? I for one would loove to witness such a parade.
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Post by Harmless elf on Jun 8, 2019 14:58:54 GMT
Why are people like Chris Evans and AOC bashing a bunch of Heterosexuals who are proud of their sexuality and want to have a parade march?
So it's okay if you're
- Lesbian - Bi-Sexual - Gay - Trans - Queer
etc...
but if you're straight... you're not allowed to be proud and celebrate? I don't get it. AOC is hot. Her white boyfriend must enjoy getting dominated by a spicy latina.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 15:02:09 GMT
Why are people like Chris Evans and AOC bashing a bunch of Heterosexuals who are proud of their sexuality and want to have a parade march?
So it's okay if you're
- Lesbian - Bi-Sexual - Gay - Trans - Queer
etc...
but if you're straight... you're not allowed to be proud and celebrate? I don't get it. AOC is hot. Her white boyfriend must enjoy getting dominated by a spicy latina. It figures she would have a white bf, because she's a relatively successful.
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Post by Harmless elf on Jun 8, 2019 15:07:22 GMT
AOC is hot. Her white boyfriend must enjoy getting dominated by a spicy latina. It figures she would have a white bf, because she's a relatively successful. White men are nothing but sex objects to black, latina, and Asian women.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 8, 2019 16:51:22 GMT
Why are people like Chris Evans and AOC bashing a bunch of Heterosexuals who are proud of their sexuality and want to have a parade march?
So it's okay if you're
- Lesbian - Bi-Sexual - Gay - Trans - Queer
etc...
but if you're straight... you're not allowed to be proud and celebrate? I don't get it. because homophobes?.
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Post by rogerthat on Jun 8, 2019 18:00:18 GMT
A Straight Pride parade is a waiting line at Golden Corral. Fact.
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Post by poelzig on Jun 8, 2019 18:47:07 GMT
Isn't pride more typical for those belonging to unique groups or groups that had to overcome hardship? Not that it's something to feel shame about, but what's special or an accomplishment about being straight? So if you're a guy that sucks a dick you've accomplished something?!!! Do you have to climb a mountain or fight a bear before you can suck a dick? Most straight guys are willing to have sex with any woman that's willing. Gay guys are probably just as willing if not more so to bang or suck any guy. If anything STRAIGHT guys have accomplished more by having sex than gay guys have. Of course if every guy was as charming and good looking as myself they could have their choice of lovely females but I digress.
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Post by poelzig on Jun 8, 2019 18:58:05 GMT
This whole debate stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the meaning of the word “pride” in the expression “gay pride” (or “black pride”, for that matter). It’s not supposed to be interpreted literally as “I am proud to be gay”. What it means, in context, is this: since basically forever, gays risked being insulted, ostracized, fired, beaten, imprisoned or worse if they revealed their homosexuality. Now in some countries after decades of struggle, that is no longer the case. ‘Gay Pride” means simply “Fuck you, we aren’t going to be ashamed of being gay anymore”. Since no straight person has ever risked anything by being straight, or been insulted or beaten for being straight, or being made to feel ashamed of being straight, “straight pride” makes no sense whatsoever.
The ONLY possible motivation for a "straight pride" event is as a backlash against the acceptance of homosexuality. That is why it is not OK.
All I can add is
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I might add. No straight people /civilization /mankind I couldn't care less who people want to suck or fuck as long as they are not banging kids or anyone that's not wanting to suck or fuck.
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