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Post by amyghost on Jun 8, 2019 19:05:05 GMT
I think it's the word 'pride' that becomes a pejorative in these cases, a turnoff to those outside of the particular group, especially if those outside are feeling some insecurity about their own place in the social hierarchy. Straight white males tend to feel they're at the bottom of the societal heap these days, so they get uptight at the notion that when gays, blacks, latinos, women, whoever, show demonstrations of pride (i.e. celebrations of acceptance to exist as valuable people in their own right) it's axiomatically saying that they aren't valuable and in fact should feel some level of shame at their very existence. Hence the backlash; and as long as this effect isn't taken into consideration and given some degree of legitimacy the backlashes are going to continue and may get uglier. There must be some way of getting it across that to celebrate inclusivity of marginalized groups doesn't automatically have to mean that the dominant group is bad, worthless or evil, but I suspect there would have to be a lot more openess to discussion on both sides before this can happen.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 9, 2019 2:23:22 GMT
Because there's no reason to host a straight pride parade except to be petty and adversarial and anyone who goes to one is an idiot?
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Post by darkpast on Jun 9, 2019 4:23:01 GMT
It's fine, but get your own month
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Post by kls on Jun 9, 2019 4:59:16 GMT
I think it's the word 'pride' that becomes a pejorative in these cases, a turnoff to those outside of the particular group, especially if those outside are feeling some insecurity about their own place in the social hierarchy. Straight white males tend to feel they're at the bottom of the societal heap these days, so they get uptight at the notion that when gays, blacks, latinos, women, whoever, show demonstrations of pride (i.e. celebrations of acceptance to exist as valuable people in their own right) it's axiomatically saying that they aren't valuable and in fact should feel some level of shame at their very existence. Hence the backlash; and as long as this effect isn't taken into consideration and given some degree of legitimacy the backlashes are going to continue and may get uglier. There must be some way of getting it across that to celebrate inclusivity of marginalized groups doesn't automatically have to mean that the dominant group is bad, worthless or evil, but I suspect there would have to be a lot more openess to discussion on both sides before this can happen. Kind of like there wasn't meeting of the minds over the phrase Black Lives Matter. I always wondered if Black Lives Matter Too would have been better understood (as wasn't that really the point?).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 17:01:51 GMT
A Straight Pride parade is a waiting line at Golden Corral. Fact. I've got enough toxins in me to turn the Gaza Strip into a gay pride parade. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 17:03:17 GMT
It's fine, but get your own month as it is now, about 10 different ethnic, religious, or otherwise defined groups share the same month. The calendar is already crowded if that's your concern. |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 9, 2019 21:05:55 GMT
Isn't pride more typical for those belonging to unique groups or groups that had to overcome hardship? Not that it's something to feel shame about, but what's special or an accomplishment about being straight? So if you're a guy that sucks a dick you've accomplished something?!!! Do you have to climb a mountain or fight a bear before you can suck a dick? Deep throating a nine-incher is not only an accomplishment, it's a skill. On a more serious note, a number of replies on this thread provide opportunities for anyone sincerely wishing insight on the topic of gay pride to gain it. As I said here on 6/7: "It's not that sexuality is any kind of "accomplishment," but pride in it, and the freedom to be open and public about it, as opposed to hiding in fear, is. That's something we made happen simply by doing it, and - not so simply - by mounting efforts legislative, judicial and otherwise, year by year, decade after decade, to secure the legal rights to do so. That's something straight people have never had to do.Now, I can certainly see how something that's easy for straight society to take for granted can be viewed as mere acknowledgement. Being able to walk down a public street holding hands with their significant other without getting attacked or, as in earlier days, arrested and incarcerated, may not strike you as something worth celebrating. It is when there were times - within the lives of some of us - when you couldn't."One of those bizarre myths - like "being gay is a choice" - that straight people have taught other straight people. I've known thousands of gay men, and any one of them was more selective than every straight guy I've known. You said it yourself: "Most straight guys are willing to have sex with any woman that's willing." If you want the best information about something, always go to the source rather than to someone offering only uninformed supposition as knowledge. How so?
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 9, 2019 21:10:11 GMT
I might add. No straight people /civilization /mankind Yet another bizarre myth. Gay men and lesbian women are every bit as capable of procreation as anyone. We just don't do it for recreation or by accident.
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Post by poelzig on Jun 9, 2019 22:21:13 GMT
So if you're a guy that sucks a dick you've accomplished something?!!! Do you have to climb a mountain or fight a bear before you can suck a dick? Deep throating a nine-incher is not only an accomplishment, it's a skill. On a more serious note, a number of replies on this thread provide opportunities for anyone sincerely wishing insight on the topic of gay pride to gain it. As I said here on 6/7: "It's not that sexuality is any kind of "accomplishment," but pride in it, and the freedom to be open and public about it, as opposed to hiding in fear, is. That's something we made happen simply by doing it, and - not so simply - by mounting efforts legislative, judicial and otherwise, year by year, decade after decade, to secure the legal rights to do so. That's something straight people have never had to do.Now, I can certainly see how something that's easy for straight society to take for granted can be viewed as mere acknowledgement. Being able to walk down a public street holding hands with their significant other without getting attacked or, as in earlier days, arrested and incarcerated, may not strike you as something worth celebrating. It is when there were times - within the lives of some of us - when you couldn't."One of those bizarre myths - like "being gay is a choice" - that straight people have taught other straight people. I've known thousands of gay men, and any one of them was more selective than every straight guy I've known. You said it yourself: "Most straight guys are willing to have sex with any woman that's willing." If you want the best information about something, always go to the source rather than to someone offering only uninformed supposition as knowledge. How so? So you've known THOUSANDS of gay men and they were ALL more selective than EVERY straight guy you've known?!!!!! You are a blatant liar so what possible rational discourse could we have? I'll try anyway but I'm skeptical. It didn't help that you start your diatribe against me by bragging about sucking 9 inch cocks. Also I believe gay people are born gay. Which again proves my point that how is being born a greater accomplishment if you're gay? Also Gameboy has said he DOESN'T believe the born gay theory anyway. Are you saying his opinion as a gay man is less relevant than yours? That seems unfair as he is usually very forthright and believable in my opinion. Another of your self righteous comments disproved. This time it's "If you want the best information about something, always go to the source rather than to someone offering only uninformed supposition as knowledge" Oh wait. Are you the "someone offering only uninformed supposition as knowledge" Are you going to deny there are bath houses, clubs, hook up areas etc.. where gay men hook up with strangers and have anonymous sex? Because I have had sex (safe sex) with so many women I long ago lost count. I'm not boasting I'm just making the point that out of the hundreds of women I have had sex with I always had to put in some in some type of effort Even if it was only turning up the charm and laying down my game that's still more effort than just whipping out my cock. Hell many guys shell out hundreds or thousands of dollars on women and still don't get laid. Hence my comment that STRAIGHT guys getting laid have accomplished more. I guess you're one of those unlucky gay dudes that never gets any ass. I don't know what to tell you but I hope you get to suck more dicks in the future. Maybe stop waiting for gay Prince Charming and give a nice average gay dude a shot? Anyway good luck. 
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 9, 2019 23:28:02 GMT
Deep throating a nine-incher is not only an accomplishment, it's a skill. On a more serious note, a number of replies on this thread provide opportunities for anyone sincerely wishing insight on the topic of gay pride to gain it. As I said here on 6/7: "It's not that sexuality is any kind of "accomplishment," but pride in it, and the freedom to be open and public about it, as opposed to hiding in fear, is. That's something we made happen simply by doing it, and - not so simply - by mounting efforts legislative, judicial and otherwise, year by year, decade after decade, to secure the legal rights to do so. That's something straight people have never had to do.Now, I can certainly see how something that's easy for straight society to take for granted can be viewed as mere acknowledgement. Being able to walk down a public street holding hands with their significant other without getting attacked or, as in earlier days, arrested and incarcerated, may not strike you as something worth celebrating. It is when there were times - within the lives of some of us - when you couldn't."One of those bizarre myths - like "being gay is a choice" - that straight people have taught other straight people. I've known thousands of gay men, and any one of them was more selective than every straight guy I've known. You said it yourself: "Most straight guys are willing to have sex with any woman that's willing." If you want the best information about something, always go to the source rather than to someone offering only uninformed supposition as knowledge. How so? So you've known THOUSANDS of gay men and they were ALL more selective than EVERY straight guy you've known?!!!!! You are a blatant liar so what possible rational discourse could we have? I'll try anyway but I'm skeptical. It didn't help that you start your diatribe against me by bragging about sucking 9 inch cocks. Also I believe gay people are born gay. Which again proves my point that how is being born a greater accomplishment if you're gay? Also Gameboy has said he DOESN'T believe the born gay theory anyway. Are you saying his opinion as a gay man is less relevant than yours? That seems unfair as he is usually very forthright and believable in my opinion. Another of your self righteous comments disproved. This time it's "If you want the best information about something, always go to the source rather than to someone offering only uninformed supposition as knowledge" Oh wait. Are you the "someone offering only uninformed supposition as knowledge" Are you going to deny there are bath houses, clubs, hook up areas etc.. where gay men hook up with strangers and have anonymous sex? Because I have had sex (safe sex) with so many women I long ago lost count. I'm not boasting I'm just making the point that out of the hundreds of women I have had sex with I always had to put in some in some type of effort Even if it was only turning up the charm and laying down my game that's still more effort than just whipping out my cock. Hell many guys shell out hundreds or thousands of dollars on women and still don't get laid. Hence my comment that STRAIGHT guys getting laid have accomplished more. I guess you're one of those unlucky gay dudes that never gets any ass. I don't know what to tell you but I hope you get to suck more dicks in the future. Maybe stop waiting for gay Prince Charming and give a nice average gay dude a shot? Anyway good luck. My, what an outburst! I'll skip over the vitriol and reply to selected points. I repeat, you said it yourself: "Most straight guys are willing to have sex with any woman that's willing." Don't know why it should rankle you, but that simply hasn't been my experience with the gay men I've known. Sorry. You brought up the topic of sucking dicks, so don't complain to me about a humorous reference to it. If you want to play in this ballpark, the rules are the same for everyone. If you'd read my remarks more carefully, you'd have seen that I made no such assertion, and went into great detail to the contrary. Gameboy's welcome to his belief, but it's not one I've ever encountered among gay men in the real world. I'm a gay guy offering the personal experience of one. If you prefer to rely on your own guesses or what you hear from other straight people about what gay men "probably" do, that's your lookout. I asked a simple question and you've answered it. Thanks. Straight men, then, have a tougher time getting laid than gay ones. Too bad, and more's the pity. Perhaps that explains some of the apparent resentment. But if you count getting laid as a straight man an accomplishment great or small, why begrudge it to gay men? As a point of interest, incidentally, bath house denizens and the like comprise a small percentage of sexually active gay men, and as an outré element of the subculture, attract attention belying the significance of their actual place therein. I don't know where you'll get projecting your frustrations onto me. I met my "Prince Charming" 37 years ago after many active years of single life, and we've been happily married for the last five of them. Thanks for your good wishes just the same.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 10, 2019 0:12:48 GMT
Basically those in gay-pride parades etc are pretty much celebrating sin, which is obviously backwards to anyone who believe in God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)).
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 12, 2019 19:03:54 GMT
Literally not true.The left balks at the words "white power" and "straight pride" while defending the opposites. One is good, the other is not. Plain as day. Christ, you just practically did it yourself. I don't fucking care. That has nothing to do with me and I'm sick of being told how fucking awful I am because I'm the same color as the people in charge. You wouldn't stand for someone judging blacks, gays, or Hispanics the way you people throw blanket statements around about white people.  Sorry, what were you saying again?
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