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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 0:45:26 GMT
No you don't. You've proved that, dummy. You don't even know who or what Christ is. Lol We have that in common, it seems.
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Post by goz on Jul 2, 2019 1:22:22 GMT
What is the name of your deity? If you don't have one, then your statements are contradictory. In fact, the fact that you haven't already said one, then it is obvious. I said that in the previous post. You quoted it. I'm not hiding it What's the contradiction? Are you really so stupid that you can't explain this after all the typing and quoting you've done. Maybe someone smarter than you can explain it for you. WHICH F***ING ONE?
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 2, 2019 1:38:49 GMT
Don't let the actions of corrupt people tarnish the holy name of God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). God is still God regardless of what people think or do. I tend to assume a high percentage of violence committed in God's name is from corrupt people who have a distorted view of God (like those who have been brainwashed). or... they are just outright corrupt deluding themselves that they are doing good when they are doing the work of satan etc. as a general rule (which should be pretty obvious)... committing violence in His name is wrong. I would not worry about them as people who don't believe in God tend to twist things from the bible to make God look bad, or to justify their corrupt actions etc. but those who are quick to blame God, tend not to believe in Him, or don't really understand Him. because God is absolutely perfect across the board. violence did not come into the world because of Him, it's because of the free choice of man (since we all have free will) that evil came into the world. because without free will, love cannot exist for humanity. because for example... if God forced everyone to do whatever He says, it would not be a free act on our part and would not be a genuine act of love on our part towards Him as those who obey God, by doing their best to stick with His commandments, love God basically... "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is begotten by God, and everyone who loves the father loves [also] the one begotten by him. In this way we know that we love the children of God when we love God and obey his commandments. For the love of God is this, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, for whoever is begotten by God conquers the world. And the victory that conquers the world is our faith." - 1 John 5:1-4
Abortion violates the Thou Shall Not Kill commandment. in short... abortion is murder.
the Catholic church clearly states it's wrong (Popes have basically said abortion is murder), they teach that life begins at conception, and it's the true church of Jesus Christ since it's the one He started with Peter (basically the first pope) and went down through the generations til today (see Matthew 16:18).
abortion is a evil act. if anyone says otherwise, they are wrong as the church of Jesus Christ (i.e. the Catholic church) is not going to make a error on a major moral issue like this as they are infallible when it comes to faith/moral teachings (i.e. www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/chura4.htm ).
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Post by goz on Jul 2, 2019 2:00:15 GMT
LOL, so you're not a christian. Neat. I believe in Jesus Christ. Call that whatever you want, you Bible misinterpreter. So what do you call 'Jesus Christ' if 'God' is not a word you like to use? Where did Jesus Christ come from, if not from the loins of God? Wasn't Jesus Christ his alleged 'son'? IF you don't believe in God you have a bit of a logistical and logical problem here!
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 2:43:46 GMT
I believe in Jesus Christ. Call that whatever you want, you Bible misinterpreter. So what do you call 'Jesus Christ' if 'God' is not a word you like to use? Where did Jesus Christ come from, if not from the loins of God? Wasn't Jesus Christ his alleged 'son'? IF you don't believe in God you have a bit of a logistical and logical problem here! I never said I don't believe in God. I said I won't refer to Him by that name, because too many atrocities and wars and violence are committed in 'God's' name. He never condoned or ordered those things the way Graham says with those Bible quotes. That wasn't the true Creator that said that, but someone else they mistook for God. How could God be 'all-loving' etc., then order people to kill or support slavery? That's contradictory because it's not true. Toasted Cheese, I prefer not to go into detail about what I believe, but Jesus's words are very clear. He never took credit for the miracles he performed. He always said it was through the belief of the person - such as the woman who was cured after she touched the hem of His gown.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 3:00:57 GMT
I never said I don't believe in God. I said I won't refer to Him by that name, because too many atrocities and wars and violence are committed in 'God's' name. He never condoned or ordered those things the way Graham says with those Bible quotes. That wasn't the true Creator that said that, but someone else they mistook for God.How could God be 'all-loving' etc., then order people to kill or support slavery? That's contradictory because it's not true. Toasted Cheese , I prefer not to go into detail about what I believe, but Jesus's words are very clear. He never took credit for the miracles he performed. He always said it was through the belief of the person - such as the woman who was cured after she touched the hem of His gown. Holy scripture is God's word though Heeeyyy. If you don't believe in holy gospel, then you mustn't believe in God, or whatever it is you want to call it. If you attempt to go into detail about your beliefs, which aren't real and a figment of your mind, there is no way you can assert them or prove them rationally or sanely.
It's "God's word" misinterpreted. If I'm not mistaken, even St. Paul said the Bible is God's word filtered through fallibility of men -- or words to that effect. I believe the words of Christ.
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Post by goz on Jul 2, 2019 3:06:42 GMT
So what do you call 'Jesus Christ' if 'God' is not a word you like to use? Where did Jesus Christ come from, if not from the loins of God? Wasn't Jesus Christ his alleged 'son'? IF you don't believe in God you have a bit of a logistical and logical problem here! I never said I don't believe in God. I said I won't refer to Him by that name, because too many atrocities and wars and violence are committed in 'God's' name. He never condoned or ordered those things the way Graham says with those Bible quotes. That wasn't the true Creator that said that, but someone else they mistook for God. How could God be 'all-loving' etc., then order people to kill or support slavery? That's contradictory because it's not true. Toasted Cheese , I prefer not to go into detail about what I believe, but Jesus's words are very clear. He never took credit for the miracles he performed. He always said it was through the belief of the person - such as the woman who was cured after she touched the hem of His gown. Let me get this straight. You believe in God butt don't want to call him that ( instead the divine creator or some such other meaningless epithet) BECAUSE God's name is tarnished with all kinds of sins he committed in the Old Testament? because he didn't do it, and was mistaken for doing those things for someone else? Exactly. So, you are just now having a very public crisis of faith on these Boards over these rather obvious discrepancies? Never mind, I am sure if you call God something else it will fix everything in your pea brain. and you can love Jesus and forgive his father....or something, or someone.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 3:18:03 GMT
It's "God's word" misinterpreted. If I'm not mistaken, even St. Paul said the Bible is God's word filtered through fallibility of men -- or words to that effect. I believe the words of Christ. So if God's words and\or Christ's words have been misinterpreted, where is the correct and true interpretation to be found? The Bible is mostly allegorical, IMO. It should be obvious. Serpents don't speak, and no one can live inside of a whale, etc. So it's a matter of interpreting those allegories correctly. But aside from that, do you think the Almighty likes that He and the Bible are used to justify atrocities? Look at what Graham did. He immediately posted scripture he could use to besmirch the Almighty and claim that He is a violent God. Wouldn't Jesus, the Son of God, be more qualified to explain who and what God is?
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 3:21:08 GMT
I never said I don't believe in God. I said I won't refer to Him by that name, because too many atrocities and wars and violence are committed in 'God's' name. He never condoned or ordered those things the way Graham says with those Bible quotes. That wasn't the true Creator that said that, but someone else they mistook for God. How could God be 'all-loving' etc., then order people to kill or support slavery? That's contradictory because it's not true. Toasted Cheese , I prefer not to go into detail about what I believe, but Jesus's words are very clear. He never took credit for the miracles he performed. He always said it was through the belief of the person - such as the woman who was cured after she touched the hem of His gown. Let me get this straight. You believe in God butt don't want to call him that ( instead the divine creator or some such other meaningless epithet) BECAUSE God's name is tarnished with all kinds of sins he committed in the Old Testament? because he didn't do it, and was mistaken for doing those things for someone else? Exactly. So, you are just now having a very public crisis of faith on these Boards over these rather obvious discrepancies? Never mind, I am sure if you call God something else it will fix everything in your pea brain. and you can love Jesus and forgive his father....or something, or someone. Read my reply to Toasted Cheese. I can't explain it any better than Jesus did. He never said the Holy Father was this monster that Graham, et al, like to point to to say, "See? Your God is a big meanie."
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Post by goz on Jul 2, 2019 3:21:32 GMT
So if God's words and\or Christ's words have been misinterpreted, where is the correct and true interpretation to be found? The Bible is mostly allegorical, IMO. It should be obvious. Serpents don't speak, and no one can live inside of a whale, etc. So it's a matter of interpreting those allegories correctly. But aside from that, do you think the Almighty likes that He and the Bible are used to justify atrocities? Look at what Graham did. He immediately posted scripture he could use to besmirch the Almighty and claim that He is a violent God. Wouldn't Jesus, the Son of God, be more qualified to explain who and what God is … and the really big question, is if he exists, then why doesn't he defend his alleged father? Just where is Jesus when you need him? BTW Graham didn't write the scripture he quoted...it is in the Bible.
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Post by goz on Jul 2, 2019 3:23:00 GMT
Let me get this straight. You believe in God butt don't want to call him that ( instead the divine creator or some such other meaningless epithet) BECAUSE God's name is tarnished with all kinds of sins he committed in the Old Testament? because he didn't do it, and was mistaken for doing those things for someone else? Exactly. So, you are just now having a very public crisis of faith on these Boards over these rather obvious discrepancies? Never mind, I am sure if you call God something else it will fix everything in your pea brain. and you can love Jesus and forgive his father....or something, or someone. Read my reply to Toasted Cheese. I can't explain it any better than Jesus did. He never said the Holy Father was this monster that Graham, et al, like to point to to say, "See? Your God is a big meanie." What , when and how did 'Jesus' do this?
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 3:29:55 GMT
The Bible is mostly allegorical, IMO. It should be obvious. Serpents don't speak, and no one can live inside of a whale, etc. So it's a matter of interpreting those allegories correctly. But aside from that, do you think the Almighty likes that He and the Bible are used to justify atrocities? Look at what Graham did. He immediately posted scripture he could use to besmirch the Almighty and claim that He is a violent God. Wouldn't Jesus, the Son of God, be more qualified to explain who and what God is… and the really big question, is if he exists, then why doesn't he defend his alleged father? Just where is Jesus when you need him? BTW Graham didn't write the scripture he quoted...it is in the Bible. There are lots of things in the Bible. There's a story about someone living inside of a whale. They are allegories. Like I said, people like to cherry pick what suits their agenda. And it's all misinterpretation of scripture. Graham loved posting that bit to show that 'God' is a big meanie who orders death on people. Of course, not true. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, but the Father is greater than I." Now, I'm not going to even bother to explain what He meant, because it would be an exercise in futility.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 3:33:20 GMT
The Bible is mostly allegorical, IMO. It should be obvious. Serpents don't speak, and no one can live inside of a whale, etc. So it's a matter of interpreting those allegories correctly. But aside from that, do you think the Almighty likes that He and the Bible are used to justify atrocities? Look at what Graham did. He immediately posted scripture he could use to besmirch the Almighty and claim that He is a violent God. Wouldn't Jesus, the Son of God, be more qualified to explain who and what God is?Yes, heeeyyy, I realize that the bible is allegorical and a parable of its times only. However, you have avoided the question. Where is the correct and true interpretation from the almighty, if its not the bible? How the frick can Jesus, the Son of God, explain it, until his correct, true and genuine word is delivered in solid, exact and is given as factual evidence of proof of his and his fathers existence? Aren't Jesus's words there in the Bible? What did He say? I said I believe what Jesus says in the Bible. Show me anywhere where He said the Father called for atrocities to be committed. I think His word trumps the others'.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 3:38:20 GMT
Read my reply to Toasted Cheese. I can't explain it any better than Jesus did. He never said the Holy Father was this monster that Graham, et al, like to point to to say, "See? Your God is a big meanie." Who's God is a big meanie?
You are the one attempting to defend and justify God, or whatever it is you want to call it, and failing miserably by not providing factual evidence of this divine one's existence or word, since you don't believe the bible has delivered it to your satisfaction. It has to be delivered from somewhere, so where is it? Graham posted scripture intended to imply that God is a big meanie who is the one who orders death and wars. My factual evidence are the words of Jesus Christ and his teachings which are impossible for people to follow, because He preached forgiveness, non-judgmentalism, peace, love, etc. I believe He was (or is) a divine being. I'm not religious, and I don't know a lot about the Bible, but I do believe in Jesus Christ.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 4:00:37 GMT
Graham posted scripture intended to imply that God is a big meanie who is the one who orders death and wars. My factual evidence are the words of Jesus Christ and his teachings which are impossible for people to follow, because He preached forgiveness, non-judgmentalism, peace, love, etc. I believe He was (or is) a divine being. I'm not religious, and I don't know a lot about the Bible, but I do believe in Jesus Christ. So, you choose to believe in JC, but know nothing of the bible and don't see yourself as religious. How does that work? The bible is the universal literature on God and JC. What is the difference between God, or whatever it is you want to call it, and JC? Are they separate or one and the same? Who are they? Where do they live?
This is your argument, so in order for others to comprehend, you must be lucid and clear and rationale and logical to get your point across. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, but the Father is greater than I." You would have to believe in a spirit to understand what He meant. If you don't, there's no point in explaining it. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. Would a malevolent God have a son who preached turning the other cheek and loving thy enemies, etc.? I don't think so. Good night.
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Post by goz on Jul 2, 2019 6:01:03 GMT
… and the really big question, is if he exists, then why doesn't he defend his alleged father? Just where is Jesus when you need him? BTW Graham didn't write the scripture he quoted...it is in the Bible. There are lots of things in the Bible. There's a story about someone living inside of a whale. They are allegories. Like I said, people like to cherry pick what suits their agenda. And it's all misinterpretation of scripture. Graham loved posting that bit to show that 'God' is a big meanie who orders death on people. Of course, not true. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, but the Father is greater than I." Now, I'm not going to even bother to explain what He meant, because it would be an exercise in futility. So WTF does this mean? Basically it means that the Bible is a crock of shit. IF you can't believe it all ( as it is allegorical …...all the things you said ) HOW can you believe any of I?. YOU would have to cherry pick to do this….right?
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 12:49:02 GMT
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, but the Father is greater than I." You would have to believe in a spirit to understand what He meant. If you don't, there's no point in explaining it. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. Would a malevolent God have a son who preached turning the other cheek and loving thy enemies, etc.? I don't think so. Good night. You believing in a spirit is your delusion, so stop preaching like it is so. Where have I preached? I've simply stated my personal beliefs. I don't give a shit what you or anyone else believes. If anything, YOU are the one preaching to ME about the Bible, what it is, what I am, etc., as if you are some sort of Bible scholar.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 2, 2019 13:01:32 GMT
There are lots of things in the Bible. There's a story about someone living inside of a whale. They are allegories. Like I said, people like to cherry pick what suits their agenda. And it's all misinterpretation of scripture. Graham loved posting that bit to show that 'God' is a big meanie who orders death on people. Of course, not true. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, but the Father is greater than I." Now, I'm not going to even bother to explain what He meant, because it would be an exercise in futility. So WTF does this mean? Basically it means that the Bible is a crock of shit. IF you can't believe it all ( as it is allegorical …...all the things you said ) HOW can you believe any of I?. YOU would have to cherry pick to do this….right? I believe it all when it's interpreted correctly, and not spun to meet agendas or narratives. Jesus is the one who used allegories and parables -- as simplified as he could, yet people still don't understand Him. The story about Adam and Eve, The Prodigal Son, Jacob and Esau, etc., are all allegorical stories meant to convey a meaning (I'm not going to say what I believe the meaning of those stories is). I read that the Bible was written that way (allegorical) for a reason that had something to do with language -- meanings translate better as allegory. Something along those lines.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 2, 2019 13:36:09 GMT
No one is 'celebrating' abortion, thickwit, outside of your own diseased imagination. And, as I'm not the first to point out, there is absolutely no proscription against abortion, as such, in the bible. "It's okay when idiots mis-state facts, though" “No one is 'celebrating' abortion“ No? Are you sure about that? “there is absolutely no proscription against abortion, as such, in the bible” Then you clearly don’t know your bible. It’s called the sixth commandment. ”Thou shalt not murder”Yeah, I'm sure, ass. No one in that clip is celebrating abortion, they're celebrating the fact that women have control of their own bodies under law, a right that the Xtian Taliban would like nothing better than to strip away from them. You, Cody, are the one in favor of death and misery, by wishing to take women back to a state where they would be forced to risk death by having to undergo painful, degrading and potentially lethal procedures in order to end an unintended pregnancy. But 'Fetus Uber Alles', right? Don't make me laugh with that 'Thou Shalt Not Murder' crap. Once more, there is no direct proscription of abortion in the bible, and your god has absolutely no problem with the mass slaughter of 'enemies' in war, including infant children, in the most horrific ways possible. In fact, he commands it. So clearly, his definition of 'murder' is just about as shaky and bullshit as yours. Small wonder you think you were made in his image...you were, and it's no compliment.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 2, 2019 13:50:25 GMT
Don't let the actions of corrupt people tarnish the holy name of God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). God is still God regardless of what people think or do. I tend to assume a high percentage of violence committed in God's name is from corrupt people who have a distorted view of God (like those who have been brainwashed). or... they are just outright corrupt deluding themselves that they are doing good when they are doing the work of satan etc. as a general rule (which should be pretty obvious)... committing violence in His name is wrong. I would not worry about them as people who don't believe in God tend to twist things from the bible to make God look bad, or to justify their corrupt actions etc. but those who are quick to blame God, tend not to believe in Him, or don't really understand Him. because God is absolutely perfect across the board. violence did not come into the world because of Him, it's because of the free choice of man (since we all have free will) that evil came into the world. because without free will, love cannot exist for humanity. because for example... if God forced everyone to do whatever He says, it would not be a free act on our part and would not be a genuine act of love on our part towards Him as those who obey God, by doing their best to stick with His commandments, love God basically... "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is begotten by God, and everAnd at any rate, the DoPI doesn't apply to Protestants anyway, in fac one of the foundations of Protestantism was a response to break away from catholic doctrines such as that (which is why the root word of Protestant is 'protest'--get it?yone who loves the father loves [also] the one begotten by him. In this way we know that we love the children of God when we love God and obey his commandments. For the love of God is this, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, for whoever is begotten by God conquers the world. And the victory that conquers the world is our faith." - 1 John 5:1-4
Abortion violates the Thou Shall Not Kill commandment. in short... abortion is murder.
the Catholic church clearly states it's wrong (Popes have basically said abortion is murder), they teach that life begins at conception, and it's the true church of Jesus Christ since it's the one He started with Peter (basically the first pope) and went down through the generations til today (see Matthew 16:18).
abortion is a evil act. if anyone says otherwise, they are wrong as the church of Jesus Christ (i.e. the Catholic church) is not going to make a error on a major moral issue like this as they are infallible when it comes to faith/moral teachings (i.e. www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/chura4.htm ). As I said to Cody, save your (and god's) selective definition of 'murder', and preach to the choir of the brainwashed and brain-damaged with it. I don't give two healthy shits about how a religious cult--a death-worshiping one, at that--chooses to define it, as I don't belong to that cult and their taboos are meaningless to me. Please don't hand me that papal infallibility crock, either, as the doctrine of papal infallibility is not original to the composition of the church, but was only introduced later--for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who isn't a fellow brainwashed and dead from the neck up follower. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Theological_historyAnd at any rate, the DoPI doesn't apply to Protestants anyway; in fact one of the foundations of Protestantism was a response to break away from Catholic doctrines such as that (which is why the root word of Protestant is 'protest'--get it?). Many Protestant sects--and certainly the Baptists, (and especially the charismatic Baptist sects, of which I suspect you belong to one)--take a dim view of Mother Church, the scarlet harlot of Rome, but can sure get mighty comfy with some of her doctrines when they back up their own ignorant prejudices, ever notice that?If you think abortion is 'a evil act', don't have one. Unfortunately, it's not a retroactive act, either. If you think 'god' finds something is a sin, have enough faith in your god to assume he can go about correcting it on his own, and doesn't need the assistance of his little elves like you. Your god is as inconsistent and self-contradictory in his teachings as his followers are in their thinking, which makes it pretty clear which chicken came before which egg in this whole sham to begin with.
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