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Post by kuatorises on Feb 17, 2017 15:37:36 GMT
Has anyone ever noticed that when defending the prequels a common tactic is to go after this movie? They say that it is boring and mock the light saber fight.
I think that this is a byproduct of that era that they grew up in. I think that they think all the flipping, twisting, and twirling in the prequels makes the duels better. They are Transformers fans (Bay movies). They are the reason there are what eight or nine Fast and Furious movies now? I started to notice this trend after the release of the final movie.
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Post by misstique on Feb 17, 2017 16:31:20 GMT
I have not come across any prequel fans trashing A New Hope. However, I have read dozens of threads in which fans of "The Force Awakens" trash it. Usually it is when someone points out Rey's "Mary Sueness". Then everybody will start saying that Luke was also a Gary Stu, which isn't true even in the least bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 16:31:38 GMT
To me it's just reactionary. They have had their feelings hurt so without even thinking they shout "You are!" and think that will do.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 17, 2017 16:54:45 GMT
I have not come across any prequel fans trashing A New Hope. However, I have read dozens of threads in which fans of "The Force Awakens" trash it. Usually it is when someone points out Rey's "Mary Sueness". Then everybody will start saying that Luke was also a Gary Stu, which isn't true even in the least bit. Fans of The Force Awakens trashing A New Hope specifically?
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 17, 2017 17:13:44 GMT
To me it's just reactionary. They have had their feelings hurt so without even thinking they shout "You are!" and think that will do. That's exactly what I think it is. I think it is a reaction to the harsh criticism of the movies they grew up on (the prequels). I do also think that a part of that is what I said. They have no attention span. They need mass amounts of CGI, explosions, and other really over-the-top action to keep their interest. They think more = better.
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Post by bb15 on Feb 18, 2017 20:31:30 GMT
What is a "good" action film? That has changed over time imo. In the 1970s an action movie was in the tradition of 5 to 10 minute final climaxes of action being set up by long stretches of story, character development and dialogue. Old war movies, samurai films, westerns, sword and sandal films, all had this formula. - In the 70s the modern 30 minutes+ of action sequence did not exist yet.
- Star Wars A New Hope follows this old formula. (As does the rest of the original trilogy.) For its time ANH was an action movie; With relatively brief moments of action; getting Leia out of prison, the trash compactor, the dogfight leaving the Death Star and the final trench sequence and the destruction of the Death Star.
- The modern action movies I think began with James Cameron. In "Aliens" from the middle on there are long stretches of action stitched together with only brief dialogue scenes. This has been compared to a roller coaster ride in some discussions. Several directors copied Cameron after this and Emmerich and Bay did it with little character development. Less thinking by viewers makes the action more intense like a video game.
In the Star Wars prequels probably Attack of the Clones was Lucas' way to try to imitate this. AOTC from middle to end has long stretches of action with little story. Rogue One has that with disposable characters.
* Today the Star Wars fanbase is split. - Some want character focused SW like the original trilogy and TFA. (Lawrence Kasdan wrote Empire Strikes Back and TFA.) - Prequel and Rogue One fans can find the old SW style boring. They don't care about the characters as much and want plenty of action.
Imo at least, BB ;-)
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Post by brownstones on Feb 18, 2017 21:11:09 GMT
Have yet to meet anyone trashing A New Hope. And if they did it's likely due to pacing, slower than modern films.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 22:22:37 GMT
I was 13 in 1977 when this came out.....have never ever had anything remotely approach being as blown away as watching this in the theater in May 1977. This movie shall not be trashed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 6:38:07 GMT
If anyone is bashing this film, it's out of ignorance of what this film actually did. This film is bigger than the couple of hours it takes to watch. It captured the imagination of so many, for so long, and every Star Wars film that followed yes, even The Empire Strikes Back, is just an aftershock of what this film did. People can make their cases that there are elements of the films that followed this one that are preferable, but this film is the one that created a cultural phenomenon, none of the others have come close to doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 8:04:32 GMT
To me it's just reactionary. They have had their feelings hurt so without even thinking they shout "You are!" and think that will do. That's exactly what I think it is. I think it is a reaction to the harsh criticism of the movies they grew up on (the prequels). I do also think that a part of that is what I said. They have no attention span. They need mass amounts of CGI, explosions, and other really over-the-top action to keep their interest. They think more = better. Yes, it is that too. Kids just want an action montage. When I was young and watched war films or action films, it wasn't enough for me just to see the fighting scenes. I wanted to know why they were fighting, what led to not just the overall conflict but what led to that moment itself. When I watched the pre-quels I was just underwhelmed by the amount of fighters they crammed onto the screen, it looked like a mess. There is one scene where the Wookies I think are storming some stronghold and it's so crowded. The light sabre fight with Yoda flying about is a joke as well. Not just a lack of attention span but a lack of emotional depth on the part of the viewer as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 8:08:52 GMT
bb15 Very true. I watched Hacksaw Ridge a few weeks back and it is exhausting. Although there is a fair amount of build up and storyline once it reaches the battle it is over. In one sense it works well to help build that sense of hopelessness and confusion but on the other hand there isn't any storyline once the battle scene starts. In the Force Awakens I also felt Han's death was just rushed. It was so inconsequential, to kill a main character is one thing but to do it so anti-climatically is just silly in my book. Action films today are more like computer games, just go, go, go and then move onto the next one. All of this action also makes the actors rather redundant and interchangeable as you never get to see their style or persona's come through the way you did with the original films.
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Post by bb15 on Feb 19, 2017 21:14:03 GMT
bb15 Very true. I watched Hacksaw Ridge a few weeks back and it is exhausting. Although there is a fair amount of build up and storyline once it reaches the battle it is over. In one sense it works well to help build that sense of hopelessness and confusion but on the other hand there isn't any storyline once the battle scene starts. In the Force Awakens I also felt Han's death was just rushed. It was so inconsequential, to kill a main character is one thing but to do it so anti-climatically is just silly in my book. Action films today are more like computer games, just go, go, go and then move onto the next one. All of this action also makes the actors rather redundant and interchangeable as you never get to see their style or persona's come through the way you did with the original films. I agree that the death of Han was not handled as well as the death of Obi-Wan in ANH. But at least with The Force Awakens I felt a similarity with the original trilogy. It's not as good as the OT but at least it's in the ballpark, with Chewie's rage after Han's death for instance. Compare that to Rogue One where multiple main characters are just blown away (literally) without any comment. After a death in RO, there's just more action until the next death and then more action again. - I sense a big difference between that video game feel in RO compared with TFA where the tears and sadness by Rey and the pain in Luke's face tells me that a horrible thing has happened and that the loss of life meant something emotionally to them. Imo at least, BB ;-) PS. And the CGI Tarkin and Leia in RO? Definitely looked like video game characters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:19:04 GMT
bb15 Force Awakens officially killed my interest in the franchise so I won't be seeing Rogue One but I do know what you mean. TFA did have a kinship to the original, the CGI and battle scenes were much better than the prequels as well. All these films now are just vehicles to sell games and merchandise anyway. I know the original films had that stuff too but it wasn't the main aim of them either.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 20, 2017 3:14:16 GMT
Have yet to meet anyone trashing A New Hope. And if they did it's likely due to pacing, slower than modern films. Are you new to the internet?
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Post by brownstones on Feb 20, 2017 4:26:07 GMT
Have yet to meet anyone trashing A New Hope. And if they did it's likely due to pacing, slower than modern films. Are you new to the internet? no. but I meant in person. besides, it's the internet, makes everything seem grander than it is.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 20, 2017 15:07:00 GMT
Are you new to the internet? no. but I meant in person. besides, it's the internet, makes everything seem grander than it is. Ah, I got ya. I've heard it once in person, but yeah I did mean mostly online. If I remember correctly, the one time that I did hear it in person was at a comic book shop where the videogame store. LOL, how cliché
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Post by aliciarose26 on Feb 21, 2017 0:10:57 GMT
Nobody I know with any brain cells has trashed A New Hope.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 2:28:13 GMT
One of the Greatest Achievements of 20th century Cinema.
Editing- superb, Dialogue- superb, Cinematography -superb, Acting- superb, Groundbreaking effects -superb, Characters -superb, Set designs -superb.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 23, 2017 0:49:46 GMT
no one trashes its besides maybe younger people, it could be too slow for modern audiences, but i doubt it
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Post by Dontrocktheboat on Feb 23, 2017 2:33:38 GMT
Isnt that the most common complaint of no character development and world building? I think Star Wars finds that fine line of great characters and a thought out plan of where the direction is headed without messy storylines going no where.
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