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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 17, 2019 17:05:35 GMT
"Know ye that light be both a wave and a particle, that creation is expanding, and that the earth I maketh do circle the sun in an ellipse" Newton 1:2 -3 "And I say unto you that I will return on Sunday 19th August 2019" Promises 68:9 Oh sorry, these are verses which it would have been nice to see in the Bible. One as an example of only something God would have known back in the day, and the other that requires no special pleading (at least assuming it happens) since it is precise. The Bible isn’t a wish book. Maybe I could make a thread about what people want the Bible to say. Theophobiacs are filled to the brim with originality!😊 .
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 17, 2019 17:13:05 GMT
"Know ye that light be both a wave and a particle, that creation is expanding, and that the earth I maketh do circle the sun in an ellipse" Newton 1:2 -3 "And I say unto you that I will return on Sunday 19th August 2019" Promises 68:9 Oh sorry, these are verses which it would have been nice to see in the Bible. One as an example of only something God would have known back in the day, and the other that requires no special pleading (at least assuming it happens) since it is precise. The Bible isn’t a wish book. Maybe I could make a thread about what people want the Bible to say. Theophobiacs are filled to the brim with originality!😊 Have you really never wondered why the Bible never makes specific predictions, dated and timed for the future - or never gives out information only found to be scientifically true and accurate many years later? It appears that even the alleged inspiration of God is ultimately never enough to bring knowledge home more than man alone was capable of at the time. Since I do not fear and dread theology or religion (instead finding them more entertaining and educational, according to poster, as I have had cause to tell you before), then it appears you are still using 'theophobiac' just as a swear word. Ah well.
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Post by koskiewicz on Aug 17, 2019 17:13:31 GMT
"And it was the third hour. And they crucified him" Mark 15:25
"And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit, and they cried out for fear" Matthew 14:26
Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable. -Ambrose Bierce
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 17, 2019 18:25:11 GMT
The Bible isn’t a wish book. Maybe I could make a thread about what people want the Bible to say. Theophobiacs are filled to the brim with originality!😊 Have you really never wondered why the Bible never makes specific predictions, dated and timed for the future - or never gives out information only found to be scientifically true and accurate many years later? It appears that even the alleged inspiration of God is ultimately never enough to bring knowledge home more than man alone was capable of at the time. Since I do not fear and dread theology or religion (instead finding them more entertaining and educational, according to poster, as I have had cause to tell you before), then it appears you are still using 'theophobiac' just as a swear word. Ah well. it did make specific predictions. But again the time frame is not as relevant as the worship which is not as relevant as wanting to worship. It doesn’t even make sense to look at it from that perspective unless you were living in that particular time. Let’s pretend that the Bible in the 1st century said Judgement Day is in the year 2159. How exactly would that change worship for all the people that wouldn’t live to see it? How would it change for the ones who would live to see it? Would you change even one view to match Gods wishes?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 17, 2019 19:42:29 GMT
Have you really never wondered why the Bible never makes specific predictions, dated and timed for the future - or never gives out information only found to be scientifically true and accurate many years later? It appears that even the alleged inspiration of God is ultimately never enough to bring knowledge home more than man alone was capable of at the time. Since I do not fear and dread theology or religion (instead finding them more entertaining and educational, according to poster, as I have had cause to tell you before), then it appears you are still using 'theophobiac' just as a swear word. Ah well. it did make specific predictions. Not specific in the way which would prove precise and measureable, from a deity who, coveniently, "concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matt 24:36-44) Or in the case of knowledge which was clearly not based on information inaccessible to contemporaries. Which was my point. They would probably have something much more precise and specific to hang on to. A confidence lacking when all one has is vagueness and hints. They'd have something specific and precise to look forward to, that's for sure. And then they would most likely experience huge disillusionment, probably explained away after by special pleading and fresh readings from their discomforted leaders. Just as the Jehovah's Witnesses discovered in 1975 or on all those earlier end-of-days dates their hierarchy put out lol I am not sure this is relevant to me as I do not know your preferred deity exists, let alone has wishes that humans can fully understand. It is not for me to change the views of the credulous, even if this was usually possible. But all of your words above appear to be hinting at the benefits of ignorance over clarity - which is a pity and looks disingenuous.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 18, 2019 12:57:42 GMT
Luke 15
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 18, 2019 17:17:59 GMT
I say the more the merrier! Religion haters should totally post the verses that move them too. I don’t hate religion. I seriously took up a long, personal study of the subject that eventually turned into a BA degree. This study which goes beyond the classroom has opened to me ways of looking at the world I did not know existed before. Please look above and read the verse I added. Sorry dude. I wasn’t meaning to call you a religion hater. I just don’t want anyone thinking their verses aren’t wanted.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 18, 2019 17:37:15 GMT
23 ... Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2 23-24
From this instructive verse we learn how God, as an inspiration to us all, sends bears to injure annoying kids. At least it makes a change from dashing them on the rocks.
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Post by koskiewicz on Aug 18, 2019 17:37:15 GMT
"For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matthew 7:2
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 18, 2019 17:41:24 GMT
25Then Saul said, “Thus shall you say to David, ‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’ ” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
26And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired,
27David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife. 1 Samuel 18:25–27 (ESV)
In which we discover that studying instructive verse, inspired by the idea of God is without, er , drawbacks for many.
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Post by koskiewicz on Aug 21, 2019 15:17:10 GMT
PNOTE 55 from the Boomer Bible:
1 A German soldier fought in a trench, 2 And came to hate the world wars stench: 3 He was coming of age, 4 Right to the last page, 5 When he died for just being a mensch.
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Post by klandersen on Aug 21, 2019 16:28:02 GMT
Thanks. There’s is a knee jerk reaction from some religious folk here that if you don’t agree with their POV, criticize it, or satirize their beliefs and actions, you are a “hater” of some type. That is also true of many people's current political views. Particularly those of the Liberal Left. It includes the heartfelt belief that anything associated with Donald Trump is racist. Anyone who ever voted for him or agrees with one little thing he says are automatically racist. In their eyes I"m racist (or anti-immigration and ant-immigrants) by believing that people who immigrate to America should do it LEGALLY following the proper procedures to do so. All the other countries in the world require immigrants to follow their rules to citizenship, but America can't? They want people who sneak across the border (particularly the Southern Border) to have all the privileges of being a full citizen and be treated like royalty and worshiped as gods. OK maybe not worshiped as gods but they do seem to want illegals to be worshiped and treated extra special more than your average legal citizen.
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Post by goz on Aug 21, 2019 22:33:08 GMT
Thanks. There’s is a knee jerk reaction from some religious folk here that if you don’t agree with their POV, criticize it, or satirize their beliefs and actions, you are a “hater” of some type. That is also true of many people's current political views. Particularly those of the Liberal Left. It includes the heartfelt belief that anything associated with Donald Trump is racist. Anyone who ever voted for him or agrees with one little thing he says are automatically racist. In their eyes I"m racist (or anti-immigration and ant-immigrants) by believing that people who immigrate to America should do it LEGALLY following the proper procedures to do so. All the other countries in the world require immigrants to follow their rules to citizenship, but America can't? They want people who sneak across the border (particularly the Southern Border) to have all the privileges of being a full citizen and be treated like royalty and worshiped as gods. OK maybe not worshiped as gods but they do seem to want illegals to be worshiped and treated extra special more than your average legal citizen. What a weirdly extremist point of view!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2019 14:15:38 GMT
James 2
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 25, 2019 11:51:05 GMT
The Bible opens with two different creation stories. The accounts are similar in that they both describe the creation of animals, plants, and humans. But they are distinct in several ways and even contradict each other on key issues.
For example, though the stories describe some of the same events, they order them differently. In Gen 1, God creates plants, then animals, and then simultaneously creates man and woman. In Gen 2, God creates a human, plants, then animals, and later he divides the human into female and male. Additionally, the two stories employ different names for the deity. The first account uses the Hebrew word Elohim, meaning “God,” whereas the second uses the tetragrammaton, YHWH (often represented by “Lord”).
The stories are also very different in literary style. The first account appears neatly organized into three days of preparation followed by three days of actual formation. Each day concludes with the formulaic expression “and there was X.” By the seventh day, all creation exists in its proper sphere, and God rests. This orderly pattern suggests an orderly universe. The second story (beginning in the second half of Gen 2:4 and continuing through the end of chapter 3) lacks both the structure and the focus of the first creation account. It is much less formulaic; rather, it is a dramatic narrative in a series of seven scenes.
Because of these and other divergences, it is likely that separate authors with distinct theological views and agendas wrote these myths and this is the view generally held by biblical scholars today. If all scripture is suitable for instruction, then we can learn here that while the overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory yet complementary, consistency was evidently not seen as essential to storytelling in ancient Near Eastern literature.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 25, 2019 12:20:13 GMT
Sandwiched between Matthew’s account of Christ’s Crucifixion and Resurrection is the only record of the following event. With the exception of the tearing of the temple veil, no other biblical writer, and no other historian mentions these strange details (no other contemporary writer, Jewish or otherwise, mentions the key, extraordinary, events presented in the Gospels either, but that's a larger can of worms):
A few years ago, Mike Licona published an outstanding work on establishing the Resurrection of Jesus from a historian’s perspective The Resurrection of Jesus: A New Historiographical Approach . Near the end of the book, he raised a fair bit of controversy among Christians by proposing that maybe these verses should be understood as a literary device in which the author was using a popular convention of the day to show that an extremely important person had just died. A famous comet appeared just a few months after Julius Caesar’s assassination, and throughout Greek literature of that era, signs in the heavens are often associated with the demise of an important figure. After citing several of these examples, Licona postulated that Matthew may have simply been using a well-known literary device to stress the uniqueness of Jesus Christ. One can then speculate that if this passage has generally been held as historical, so if one reinterprets these words as just being some literary device, then what is to stop someone from taking that approach in other areas, particularly the Crucifixion narrative just before it and the Resurrection account that follow?
As all scripture is suitable for instruction, we can learn from this that one cannot have one's cake and eat it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 10, 2019 11:42:37 GMT
Proverbs 25
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 15, 2019 14:43:50 GMT
Revelation 19
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Post by koskiewicz on Sept 15, 2019 15:36:01 GMT
John 3.8 - The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell where it cometh, and whither it goeth: So is everyone born of the spirit.
The Wind by Christina Georgina Rossetti
Who has seen the wind? Neither I nor you. But when the leaves hang trembling, The wind is passing through. Who has seen the wind? Neither you nor I. But when the trees bow their heads, The wind is passing by.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 15:54:29 GMT
1:1 Be kind to all kinds 👭👬👫🐻🦁🐯🐱🐶🐺🐹🐭🐰🦝🦡🦊🐨🐼🐷🦍🦔🦉🦅🐦🦜🕊️🦢🦈🦃🦆🐧🐓🐔🐤🦈🐬🐳🐟🐠🐡🦐🦞🦀🦑🐙🦂🐚🐌🐜🦗🦟🐝🐞🦋🐛
The Gospel according to Sean.
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