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Post by politicidal on Aug 15, 2019 23:19:29 GMT
From the article itself. In an interview with Observer, Johnson was asked about his Star Wars project and he talked a bit about his approach as he tries to figure out the story:
“I think that the fun and challenging part of it is to dive in, figure out what’s exciting and then figure out what it’s going to be. We’re doing something that steps beyond the legacy characters. What does that look like? To me, the blue sky element of it is what was most striking about it. I know the way that I’m coming at it and what’s fun about it for everyone in George Lucas’ films is figuring out, ‘what’s the next step?’ It really makes you think and figure out what the essence of Star Wars is for me and what that will look like moving forward.”
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Post by azzajones on Aug 17, 2019 6:11:42 GMT
So, these are still in the works. This sounds like the right approach from Rian, because Star Wars needs to grow by introducing new characters & concepts etc and expanding beyond the original films in order to be viable going forward.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 17, 2019 6:27:02 GMT
Oh, do you know someone at Disney who is letting him write the movie even though they secretly plan on not letting it ever get made?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 17, 2019 6:32:53 GMT
Oh, do you know someone at Disney who is letting him write the movie even though they secretly plan on not letting it ever get made? I know I don't know someone who works at Disney but I do know that giving Rian Johnson his own trilogy is a terrible idea given how The Last Jedi gave the franchise such a gut punch.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 17, 2019 11:16:16 GMT
Oh, do you know someone at Disney who is letting him write the movie even though they secretly plan on not letting it ever get made? Bookmark this thread. Screen shot it. It's never, ever, ever happening. It may very well never happen, but it is just not rational to be so confident about it. They've given him the go ahead to write the damn thing, and he's writing it now. That means he's got a contract and he's going to get paid, probably pretty handsomely. They would never do that if they had no intention of letting it be made. No one works that way, pumpkin.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 17, 2019 11:16:47 GMT
Oh, do you know someone at Disney who is letting him write the movie even though they secretly plan on not letting it ever get made? I know I don't know someone who works at Disney but I do know that giving Rian Johnson his own trilogy is a terrible idea given how The Last Jedi gave the franchise such a gut punch. It made over a billion dollars and was critically praised, genius.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 17, 2019 16:15:43 GMT
I know I don't know someone who works at Disney but I do know that giving Rian Johnson his own trilogy is a terrible idea given how The Last Jedi gave the franchise such a gut punch. It made over a billion dollars and was critically praised, genius. It grossed less than The Force Awakens and it left a bad taste in the mouths of most movie goers and hardcore fans of the property, one of the reasons why Solo tanked in theatres was because of the lack of enthusiasm in how the brand was being treated by Disney after The Last Jedi came out. Because of The Last Jedi was not loved across the board there have been many shakeups at Lucasfilm and original plans for the brand going forward had to be severely altered. Furthermore, Rian Johnson threw out most of what JJ Abrams and company had set up for the rest of the trilogy in favor of doing his own thing which resulted in Colin Trevorrow exiting Episode 9 and going back to the drawing board.
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Post by darkpast on Aug 17, 2019 23:42:17 GMT
Modern day George Lucas
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 18, 2019 12:24:37 GMT
It grossed less than The Force Awakens. . . Meaningless. It still made a boatload of cash, more than most movies ever dream of making.
A fantasy believed in by TLJ haters that has no basis whatsoever in any objectively verifiable reality. Don't waste my time with online polls or personal anecdotes--I actually have intellectual standards and will accept nothing that is not backed by scientifically sound data, for which you have none. Another assertion that has absolutely no hard evidence to back it up. You cherry pick the theory you want to be true and overlook the other possibilities--that Solo just wasn't a very good move, didn't get very enthusiastic reviews because of it, and was never a film that even fans of Star Wars were interested in.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 18, 2019 15:08:29 GMT
It grossed less than The Force Awakens. . . Meaningless. It still made a boatload of cash, more than most movies ever dream of making.
A fantasy believed in by TLJ haters that has no basis whatsoever in any objectively verifiable reality. Don't waste my time with online polls or personal anecdotes--I actually have intellectual standards and will accept nothing that is not backed by scientifically sound data, for which you have none. Another assertion that has absolutely no hard evidence to back it up. You cherry pick the theory you want to be true and overlook the other possibilities--that Solo just wasn't a very good move, didn't get very enthusiastic reviews because of it, and was never a film that even fans of Star Wars were interested in.
Nope, not meaningless, Disney expected it to make as much as The Force Awakens if not more. Haha sure, go ahead and tell yourself that to make you sleep better at night. If the movie were universally loved it would've made more profit, home video sales would've been even better, toys and play sets would've sold better, and Disney would not have had to alter any plans for the property going forward. Boba Fett movie? Cancelled. Episode 9 plans? Total redo. Obi-Wan movie? Not a sure thing. Sequels to Solo? Never going to happen. Rian Johnson solo trilogy? The only people who want that are not real Star Wars fans but Johnson loyalists who think he made the best Star Wars ever made simply because he is Rian Johnson, it would be a waste of resources. Oh, I didn't overlook all the other reasons why Solo underperformed, which is why I gave but one reason as to why, which was that The Last Jedi hurt enthusiasm.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 18, 2019 15:22:50 GMT
Why would Disney have expected TLJ to make more than TFA? Is there any statement from them where they claimed such a thing would happen?
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Post by darkpast on Aug 18, 2019 18:44:40 GMT
Why would Disney have expected TLJ to make more than TFA? Is there any statement from them where they claimed such a thing would happen? they thought sw was like mcu
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 18, 2019 21:30:55 GMT
Why would Disney have expected TLJ to make more than TFA? Is there any statement from them where they claimed such a thing would happen? they thought sw was like mcu I haven’t heard anything to suggest that Disney was expecting TLJ to exceed the gross of TFA. Absolutely no one was predicting that. There is no precedent for the second film in a Star Wars trilogy to outgross the first.
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Post by darkpast on Aug 19, 2019 1:14:07 GMT
they thought sw was like mcu I haven’t heard anything to suggest that Disney was expecting TLJ to exceed the gross of TFA. Absolutely no one was predicting that. There is no precedent for the second film in a Star Wars trilogy to outgross the first. not in Star Wars itself, but since the growth of the overseas markets in the last decade, big franchise sequels often make more money overall
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 19, 2019 6:36:16 GMT
Why would Disney have expected TLJ to make more than TFA? Is there any statement from them where they claimed such a thing would happen? Well why not?
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 19, 2019 12:09:12 GMT
Haha sure, go ahead and tell yourself that to make you sleep better at night. That is advice you need to take, seeing as your belief about the movie's reception by the public has no support from any kind objective, verifiable reality. No one is saying the film was universally loved. This is how people like you leap to bullshit instead of paying attention to facts and reality. And yet they are still paying Johnson to go ahead and at least write the opening film of his trilogy, which completely demolishes your thesis that all of the above is because TLJ was a failure. You people just suck at deriving valid, logical conclusions from the evidence. What a load of shit. You don't get to decide who is and isn't a "real" Star Wars fan. Have you read any of the books and comics? Did you play the MMORPG's? Did you run a Star Wars RPG campaign for ten years? Did you see any of the movies over 20 times in theaters? If you can't answer yes to all of those, you've got nothing on me. I recognize that Johnson is one of the rare genuine artists who has been involved with the SW films, and unlike you I was able to see that he brought levels of sophistication and self-awareness that were missing from all the others. If you didn't like his vision, that's just fine, there's nothing wrong with you. But what is wrong, and what makes you an asshole, is the pretension that only your tastes dictate what "real" Star Wars fans should want.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 19, 2019 13:34:40 GMT
Why would Disney have expected TLJ to make more than TFA? Is there any statement from them where they claimed such a thing would happen? Well why not? TFA had a level of novelty to it that no other Star Wars movie will be able to replicate. Not only was it the first true Star Wars movie in 10 years, but it was the first movie to take place after the end of the OT, and featured the return of the original cast for the first time in over 30 years. How exactly was TLJ supposed to top that?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 19, 2019 17:13:17 GMT
Haha sure, go ahead and tell yourself that to make you sleep better at night. That is advice you need to take, seeing as your belief about the movie's reception by the public has no support from any kind objective, verifiable reality. No one is saying the film was universally loved. This is how people like you leap to bullshit instead of paying attention to facts and reality. And yet they are still paying Johnson to go ahead and at least write the opening film of his trilogy, which completely demolishes your thesis that all of the above is because TLJ was a failure. You people just suck at deriving valid, logical conclusions from the evidence. What a load of shit. You don't get to decide who is and isn't a "real" Star Wars fan. Have you read any of the books and comics? Did you play the MMORPG's? Did you run a Star Wars RPG campaign for ten years? Did you see any of the movies over 20 times in theaters? If you can't answer yes to all of those, you've got nothing on me. I recognize that Johnson is one of the rare genuine artists who has been involved with the SW films, and unlike you I was able to see that he brought levels of sophistication and self-awareness that were missing from all the others. If you didn't like his vision, that's just fine, there's nothing wrong with you. But what is wrong, and what makes you an asshole, is the pretension that only your tastes dictate what "real" Star Wars fans should want. Okay then, prove how The Last Jedi is very well-liked by most movie goers, keep in mind financial gain does not reflect quality and likeability but popularity. And yet there is no confirmation that Johnson's trilogy is going to happen, nothing has moved forward we have only heard off collar comments like 'Oh its being written' or 'maybe, we'll see, probably'. I have only encountered a very small number(like three to four people) of Star Wars fans(whom have bene passionate about the brand since childhood) who actually want to see Rian Johnson's trilogy be made, the majority of those I have met and seen both online and in real life who have been fans of Star Wars since childhood want him away from the brand as humanly possible. Everyone else who does want to see Rian Johnson's trilogy carry the same narrative that they are Rian Johnson fans first and foremost and Star Wars fans second or third who never were that into the brand till Rian Johnson became attached and think his Last Jedi better represents the entirety of the brand of Star Wars than the original trilogy itself simply because Rian Johnson wrote and directed it and pandered to their social justice warrior political stances. What sophistication? What awareness? Johnson wrote all the male characters as either incompetent and unlikeable betas including Luke Skywalker who he made into a quitter, tried to kill his own nephew, turn his back on Rey for real, and kick the bucket after force projecting himself Loki style. Had a fairly pointless sequence on a casino planet. Made Rey's backstory wholly unsatisfying. Killed off Snoke and did away with any and all mystery of him. Made sure to make the second part of a trilogy come across a third and final act. The list goes on. Also, space is a vacuum what is with the stupid 'drop the bomb' opening sequence?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 19, 2019 17:15:11 GMT
TFA had a level of novelty to it that no other Star Wars movie will be able to replicate. Not only was it the first true Star Wars movie in 10 years, but it was the first movie to take place after the end of the OT, and featured the return of the original cast for the first time in over 30 years. How exactly was TLJ supposed to top that? 'Make as much or more' is Hollywood's mindset.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 19, 2019 18:18:34 GMT
TFA had a level of novelty to it that no other Star Wars movie will be able to replicate. Not only was it the first true Star Wars movie in 10 years, but it was the first movie to take place after the end of the OT, and featured the return of the original cast for the first time in over 30 years. How exactly was TLJ supposed to top that? 'Make as much or more' is Hollywood's mindset. There is no precedent for the second film in a Star Wars trilogy to make more than the first. TESB made less money than ANH. Meanwhile, TFA made over $900 million domestically, which is a feat that even Avengers: Endgame couldn’t accomplish. Disney would’ve had to have been insane to expect TLJ to top that.
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