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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 19:00:56 GMT
Does this remind anybody else of the petitions to remake GOT final season and the petitions to boycott Captain Marvel? All these petitions are so dumb. Boycotting crap because your feelings got hurt. I bet quite a few people signing this petition are the same ones mocking those that signed the Captain Marvel one. They're all dumb.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 21, 2019 19:21:00 GMT
Does this remind anybody else of the petitions to remake GOT final season and the petitions to boycott Captain Marvel? All these petitions are so dumb. Boycotting crap because your feelings got hurt. I bet quite a few people signing this petition are the same ones mocking those that signed the Captain Marvel one. They're all dumb. It's as dumb as every online pop culture petition, which have been going on pretty much as long as the internet has existed.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 21, 2019 19:30:35 GMT
Boycotting and petitions are beyond moronic.
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Post by thenewnexus on Aug 22, 2019 0:44:26 GMT
No honor amoung them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 3:01:28 GMT
Honestly I'm just thinking about how they're going to explain his disappearance in the MCU. Not a huge fan of Tom's Spider-man or his movies but it was still somewhat nice seeing him with the Avengers. Oh well things could change with time.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 22, 2019 4:30:03 GMT
Just my opinion, but I think anyone who's "picked a side" is a fuckin' idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 6:27:09 GMT
Just my opinion, but I think anyone who's "picked a side" is a fuckin' idiot. Welcome to internet.
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Post by merh on Aug 22, 2019 10:57:18 GMT
Honestly I'm just thinking about how they're going to explain his disappearance in the MCU. Not a huge fan of Tom's Spider-man or his movies but it was still somewhat nice seeing him with the Avengers. Oh well things could change with time. Most of the MCU outside of Happy don't know him from Adam. How is Spidey's fat getting pulled out of the fire without Stark tech? No more Tony Stark suit. Now what?
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Post by merh on Aug 22, 2019 11:05:03 GMT
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Post by merh on Aug 22, 2019 11:08:25 GMT
Boycotting a company's products over a fictional character is about as stupid as it gets, especially when Disney deserves their part of the blame in this. I’m not saying they don’t have the right to do that, but that doesn’t make it any less dumb. Like the million moms group boycotting Lucifer? Catholic groups picketed Dogma. The idiots I had to walk through who were picketing Ronnie James Dio back in the 80s?
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Post by DarkManX on Aug 22, 2019 14:45:14 GMT
Because Disney doesn't need they money. They make billions of dollars a day they don't need to be taking more than what they need.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 22, 2019 14:54:37 GMT
Boycotting a company's products over a fictional character is about as stupid as it gets, especially when Disney deserves their part of the blame in this. I’m not saying they don’t have the right to do that, but that doesn’t make it any less dumb. Like the million moms group boycotting Lucifer? Catholic groups picketed Dogma. The idiots I had to walk through who were picketing Ronnie James Dio back in the 80s? In this case, it's not the consumer activism that is stupid; it's the corporate fetishism. To whom or what a person decides to awards their hard-earned dollars and, under what conditions, is a personal matter. The only thing dumb about it is advertising your choice as if it should matter to someone else (or in an attempt to influence them). I know what I'm going to do if this deal between Disney and Sony does not proceed. I believe others will likely make the same choice without poking or prodding. End of discussion (and no need for a petition or post on twitter).
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 22, 2019 15:02:35 GMT
Because Disney doesn't need they money. They make billions of dollars a day they don't need to be taking more than what they need. I do not know if you are an American citizen or if you are familiar with our practice of capitalism. In American culture, especially our corporate culture, we value if not wholesale worship the idea of acquiring more than you need of any given resource of value. Please don't judge us too harshly.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 22, 2019 15:18:41 GMT
Boycotting a company's products over a fictional character is about as stupid as it gets, especially when Disney deserves their part of the blame in this. I’m not saying they don’t have the right to do that, but that doesn’t make it any less dumb. Like the million moms group boycotting Lucifer? Catholic groups picketed Dogma. The idiots I had to walk through who were picketing Ronnie James Dio back in the 80s? That’s stupid too. This whole thing is just silly.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 22, 2019 17:19:39 GMT
Neither party is really the good or bad guy here, Disney wanted a 50/50 profit share and all of creative control over not just Spider-Man movies but also Spider-Man spin-off movies such as Venom sequels which would allow them to make those a sanctioned part of the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe and in the right to yank characters from there over to other, totally Disney owned and operated movies where Sony would see little to no profit(a possibility). Obviously Sony would not want that as the Spider-Man character is one of if not their most profitable IP, they bought for the movie rights which in turn helped save Marvel from bankruptcy, it is theirs to have the final say - fair and square. However, Marvel has the merchandising rights to the character because they in turn bought them from Sony - again, fair and square, and by doing so helped Sony from filing into bankruptcy itself. Both parties are rightfully entitled to what they can do legally. In a matter of perspective, from Disney and Marvel's point of view Sony single handedly ruined Spider-Man on film before they came in to help the brand; this is pretty hard to call BS on given how The Amazing Spider-Man 2 had turned out, it was a 100% Sony made movie and it sent the brand to the emergency room and required medical assistance. Plans for anything going forward within that continuity had to be scrapped and put on the shelf. Not much time later it was Marvel's involvement with Homecoming and Far From Home in addition to having the same Spider-Man character making appearances in Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame which had helped rebuild the good will audiences once had for the brand on film and ultimately make it Sony's hottest property with Far From Home being their most successful movie ever financially. Marvel obviously is not particularly fond of this little 'Venomverse' Sony has and intends to do as that is them doing whatever they please with their brand outside of their control - Understandable, but again Sony can do this because they bought the movie rights, so again - fair and square. From Sony's point of view sharing 50/50 on profit earnings and losing all creative control is too big of a price they would be willing to pay, even if it would mean access to MCU profit and characters like your Incredible Hulk, Thor, or Nick Fury and Captain Marvel. Marvel did most of the hard work for them establishing a brand new and profitable iteration of the Spider-Man character for film, and with their own line of Marvel movies such as Venom which they intend to make into something of a shared universe they can, in their legal right, drop the very same iteration of Spider-Man in as a back-up in case deals with Disney and Marvel go sour. Not only that but from Sony's point of view Disney and Marvel might be willing to make any sort of compromise and give in a lot given that two of the MCU's flagship characters like Captain America and Iron Man are no more in a continuity sense with how Endgame left them off which allow much opportunity to make their iteration of Spider-Man as much of a big deal as those two characters were going forward, especially with how Far From Home left off. It is fairly reasonable for Disney and Marvel to want to keep the character in the MCU, but it is equally reasonable for Sony to reserve itself from allowing more earnings and creative control over their acquired IP, because besides Spider-Man what does Sony on film have going for them? Ghostbusters 2016 was a flop and shattered any hopes for a cinematic universe. Men In Black: International bombed. The Girl in the Spider's Web did not do very well critically or financially. What else earns good profit like Jumanji or Angry Birds cannot compete to how valuable Spider-Man is.
So yeah, these fans need to stop blaming one party and instead complain about both and request another negotiation which leads to a compromise that works out for everyone(Which is in the realm of possibility at this point in time). However, I do not understand why there are those who feel Spider-Man under Sony automatically equals greatness all of a sudden, if they are irritated by Disney and are happy one of theirs is not 100% theirs then go ahead take joy from that I will not stop such, however I ask to please take some things into consideration first before going with this narrative - The first two Sam Raimi Spider-Mans, in particular the much loved Spider-Man 2, were where Sam Raimi made the best possible movies that he could under their rules and regulations, and Marvel including your Kevin Feige had a considerable amount of creative input. Sony however did have much more say in the much divisive Spider-Man 3 which ultimately killed that continuity in the long term and led to a reboot with The Amazing Spider-Man and its sequel, both of which were 100% Sony made films, what happened on its sequel I have already talked about so no repeating here as I am sure everyone will get the point. Without Kevin Feige the two people overseeing the Spider-Man brand on film are Tom Rothman and Amy Pascal, both of which do not have a particularly great reputation with handling genre entertainment. It was under Pascal's watch that The Amazing Spider-Man series of films did not go anywhere after part 2 and ultimately crashed and burned. Beyond such, she made damn sure that a third Ghostbusters by Ivan Reitman be thrown in the can in favor of a Paul Feig reboot which ignored the first two by Reitman(this of course did not go very well). Tom Rothman on the other hand there are whole articles and mini documentaries about how poorly he handled Marvel properties on film during his time at 20th Century Fox which resulted in Daredevil being toned down to a PG-13 and made less gritty, sewing Deadpool's mouth shut in X-Men Origins, and having Galactus be a cloud in Rise of the Silver Surfer, not too mentioned greenlighting the 2015 Fantastic Four disaster and rejecting what would become the much acclaimed Deadpool origins movie. As far as the possibility of Spider-Man becoming 'woke' in the near future on film I'd say that potentiality is possible with both Sony and Disney respectively so there is no dead certainty there.
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Post by DarkManX on Aug 22, 2019 19:40:00 GMT
Because Disney doesn't need they money. They make billions of dollars a day they don't need to be taking more than what they need. I do not know if you are an American citizen or if you are familiar with our practice of capitalism. In American culture, especially our corporate culture, we value if not wholesale worship the idea of acquiring more than you need of any given resource of value. Please don't judge us too harshly. Yes, I am an American. I fully understand the concept of capitalism. That doesn't mean I need to like it.
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Post by darkpast on Aug 23, 2019 1:00:29 GMT
MCU fans worse than Star Wars fans
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Post by sostie on Aug 23, 2019 13:58:55 GMT
What is all this "First Amendment rights" crap. Is it only Americans threatening to boycott?
It'll amount to nothing anyway. A few online twats come up with a stupid boycott, a load of idiots agree/like/approve - more as a way to vent against the Spider-Man issue, and tiny fraction of those will actually boycott. I doubt Sony will see any noticeable drop in sales.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 25, 2019 5:55:24 GMT
MCU fans worse than Star Wars fans And we'll never stop. You think you're on a message board but, you're actually in a concentration camp. Welcome to 01. You are now the property of the Disney/Marvel fandom. There is absolutely no escape.
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Post by merh on Aug 26, 2019 5:49:47 GMT
Because Disney doesn't need they money. They make billions of dollars a day they don't need to be taking more than what they need. Does Sony "need" the money? That is really a dumb concept. Don't know about you, but Marvel seems to actually CARE about where the character goes while to Sony, it's just money.
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