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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Aug 21, 2019 19:54:58 GMT
Could have profit sharing amongst all the teams to account for lost revenue at the gate, tv ratings, etc. Yeah, tell the owners of the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers that they have to fork over their money (after losing home games) to some dog shit team in Podunk so they can pay the Electric bill and have the parking lot repaved. Good luck selling that They're rich enough. (And I was editing my post about profit sharing - so we crossed posts) I don't recall giving Podunk a team. I recall Mexico City, Japan, Cuba and Taiwan to start.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 21, 2019 20:12:13 GMT
Yeah, tell the owners of the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers that they have to fork over their money (after losing home games) to some dog shit team in Podunk so they can pay the Electric bill and have the parking lot repaved. Good luck selling that They're rich enough. (And I was editing my post about profit sharing - so we crossed posts) I don't recall giving Podunk a team. I recall Mexico City, Japan, Cuba and Taiwan to start. Knee jerk reaction, yeah it would be nice to have 40 MLB teams. Would promote a game that need promoting badly. But there are too many minuses. Lets take your foreign expansion. Mexico, Taiwan and Japan already have leagues. Their governments are going to throw up 1000 roadblocks to MLB putting a team there. Epic tax hikes, blocking use of existing stadiums, blocking building of new stadiums, etc. And you can well imagine what Cuba would do. Domestic expansion? Where? The most often discussed cities, Portland, Montreal, San Antonio, do not have a stadium. And tax payers aren't jumping at the opportunity to build new ones. Ask the owners of the Athletics and Rays. Which brings up another point. Baseball has to fix Oakland and Tampa Bay The A's literally play in a toilet and the Ray park is slightly easier to get to that Mount Everest. Slightly. Any new cities should go to those two. Makes no sense to create four new teams and see two fold
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 21, 2019 20:17:07 GMT
It would be nice and I think the fans would support a team in Buffalo more than they do in Tampa but that ship has sailed. The ballpark is too old and the city will never stand for building a new one.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Aug 21, 2019 20:18:34 GMT
I wonder if the governments of these countries would get on board to bring revenue into their countries - i.e. funding stadiums.
We have numerous football leagues here in America - I don't know why these countries would 'block' a team from joining the MLB just because they already have a league(s).
I actually think it would spike interest in the game here as well.
i.e. if Japan rolled in to play the Yanks - I could be wrong - but I'm thinking that's a sellout and bigtime ratings.
But maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 21, 2019 20:23:11 GMT
Montreal is almost certainly next in line ( for either expansion or relocation ) they are the only city to have all three criteria ( fan interest, local ownership potential, stadium plans )
Portland is second, they have also developed some stadium plans.
Charlotte is supposedly third, but they have done nothing locally ( yet )
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 21, 2019 20:28:47 GMT
I wonder if the governments of these countries would get on board to bring revenue into their countries - i.e. funding stadiums. We have numerous football leagues here in America - I don't know why these countries would 'block' a team from joining the MLB just because they already have a league(s). I actually think it would spike interest in the game here as well. i.e. if Japan rolled in to play the Yanks - I could be wrong - but I'm thinking that's a sellout and bigtime ratings. But maybe I'm wrong. Japan would be afraid of an MLB team taking interest away from existing franchises and the league itself. Everyone, even NPB, knows that MLB is the superior product. A team in Tokyo would eclipse the four existing teams there,including the massive Yomiuri Giants. And the Japanese teams are controlled by the huge corporations, no individual ownership there. It would be like if you had a little donut shop and seeing Dunkin Donuts plan to build a store next door.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Aug 21, 2019 20:31:50 GMT
I wonder if the governments of these countries would get on board to bring revenue into their countries - i.e. funding stadiums. We have numerous football leagues here in America - I don't know why these countries would 'block' a team from joining the MLB just because they already have a league(s). I actually think it would spike interest in the game here as well. i.e. if Japan rolled in to play the Yanks - I could be wrong - but I'm thinking that's a sellout and bigtime ratings. But maybe I'm wrong. Japan would be afraid of an MLB team taking interest away from existing franchises and the league itself. Everyone, even NPB, knows that MLB is the superior product. A team in Tokyo would eclipse the four existing teams there,including the massive Yomiuri Giants. And the Japanese teams are controlled by the huge corporations, no individual ownership there. It would be like if you had a little donut shop and seeing Dunkin Donuts plan to build a store next door. MLB is the superior product. Exactly. So all the other MLB teams rolling into play Japan's National Team - would generate revenue for the country. They'd have to be nuts not to get involved. It would be like the English Premier League in footy coming over here to play in huge cities like L.A., New York, Chicago, Houston, Philly.... Would be a ratings bonanza and a sure sellout.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Aug 21, 2019 20:46:08 GMT
I don't know how feasible East Asia is, but Mexico's definitely doable. Cuba is also logistically feasible.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 21, 2019 20:48:45 GMT
Japan would be afraid of an MLB team taking interest away from existing franchises and the league itself. Everyone, even NPB, knows that MLB is the superior product. A team in Tokyo would eclipse the four existing teams there,including the massive Yomiuri Giants. And the Japanese teams are controlled by the huge corporations, no individual ownership there. It would be like if you had a little donut shop and seeing Dunkin Donuts plan to build a store next door. MLB is the superior product. Exactly. So all the other MLB teams rolling into play Japan's National Team - would generate revenue for the country. They'd have to be nuts not to get involved. It would be like the English Premier League in footy coming over here to play in huge cities like L.A., New York, Chicago, Houston, Philly.... Would be a ratings bonanza and a sure sellout. At the cost of their own league folding. Teams are owned by the biggest corporations in Japan. Corporations that have much more political power in Japan that US corporations do here. The Fukuoka Hawks (hee hee, Fuku) are owned by the largest bank in Asia, revenue of 9.4 billion a year. The Yokohama BayStars are owned by the Japanese version of AT&T, revenues of 1.8 billion a year. Think they give a rats ass about TV ratings in the US? They would block any MLB expansion effort in the Japanese Diet.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 21, 2019 20:52:23 GMT
I don't know how feasible East Asia is, but Mexico's definitely doable. Cuba is also logistically feasible. Havana had a AAA team in the 50's before the Revolution, the Havana Sugar Kings. I think the idea of expansion/relocation was briefly kicked around but the corruption of the Cuban government and the Mafia influence in Havana killed that idea.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Aug 21, 2019 21:01:15 GMT
MLB is the superior product. Exactly. So all the other MLB teams rolling into play Japan's National Team - would generate revenue for the country. They'd have to be nuts not to get involved. It would be like the English Premier League in footy coming over here to play in huge cities like L.A., New York, Chicago, Houston, Philly.... Would be a ratings bonanza and a sure sellout. At the cost of their own league folding. Teams are owned by the biggest corporations in Japan. Corporations that have much more political power in Japan that US corporations do here. The Fukuoka Hawks (hee hee, Fuku) are owned by the largest bank in Asia, revenue of 9.4 billion a year. The Yokohama BayStars are owned by the Japanese version of AT&T, revenues of 1.8 billion a year. Think they give a rats ass about TV ratings in the US? They would block any MLB expansion effort in the Japanese Diet. But we've had the Arena League here for years upon years upon year. They're still around despite the success of the NFL. It's an alternative so to speak.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Aug 21, 2019 22:27:09 GMT
At the cost of their own league folding. Teams are owned by the biggest corporations in Japan. Corporations that have much more political power in Japan that US corporations do here. The Fukuoka Hawks (hee hee, Fuku) are owned by the largest bank in Asia, revenue of 9.4 billion a year. The Yokohama BayStars are owned by the Japanese version of AT&T, revenues of 1.8 billion a year. Think they give a rats ass about TV ratings in the US? They would block any MLB expansion effort in the Japanese Diet. But we've had the Arena League here for years upon years upon year. They're still around despite the success of the NFL. It's an alternative so to speak. The Arena Leagueis not in competition with the NFL. It may as well be a separate sport. It’s like Ice Cube’s 3 on 3 league. It’s a separate enough product that is more entertainment than sports. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 1:31:14 GMT
Why the hell would they expand when you've got teams currently that can't sell tickets? Look to relocate teams like the Marlins and Rays before expanding and bringing 2 more teams in. It would be shitty for Miami since they just built that horrible looking new stadium but fuck, they can't sell tickets at all. Also, aren't the Rays going to be playing some games in Mexico and Canada cuz they can't sell many tickets or did I imagine that?
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Post by fjenkins on Aug 22, 2019 17:02:28 GMT
Maybe they’re waiting to put one in Greenland. I think because of recent events, we may end up declaring war on Greenland.
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Post by fjenkins on Aug 22, 2019 17:10:15 GMT
I'd love to see Vancouver get one, but I don't know how well that would work. I know they've had preseason games there and they didn't draw well, so I don't know. They couldn't even sustain an NBA team.
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Post by fjenkins on Aug 22, 2019 17:11:45 GMT
No more franchises, no more expansion. Please, don't Water down the product further. Personally I think they need to dump teams but you know how baseball is, all they care about is money. I think the home run surge with the juiced ball is oging to hurt them in the end, but tha'ts just me. You add two more teams now the pitching is watered down more, it's going to be a free for all out there.
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Post by fjenkins on Aug 22, 2019 17:14:29 GMT
They're rich enough. (And I was editing my post about profit sharing - so we crossed posts) I don't recall giving Podunk a team. I recall Mexico City, Japan, Cuba and Taiwan to start. Knee jerk reaction, yeah it would be nice to have 40 MLB teams. Would promote a game that need promoting badly. But there are too many minuses. Lets take your foreign expansion. Mexico, Taiwan and Japan already have leagues. Their governments are going to throw up 1000 roadblocks to MLB putting a team there. Epic tax hikes, blocking use of existing stadiums, blocking building of new stadiums, etc. And you can well imagine what Cuba would do. Domestic expansion? Where? The most often discussed cities, Portland, Montreal, San Antonio, do not have a stadium. And tax payers aren't jumping at the opportunity to build new ones. Ask the owners of the Athletics and Rays. Which brings up another point. Baseball has to fix Oakland and Tampa Bay The A's literally play in a toilet and the Ray park is slightly easier to get to that Mount Everest. Slightly. Any new cities should go to those two. Makes no sense to create four new teams and see two fold One of the problems of expansion to places like Mexico, Cuba and Taiwan is no free agents will ever go there, ever. So they'll have a lot of local and semi-local players and young guys before their free agent years. So for the most part, those teams will always suck.
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