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Post by petrolino on Aug 22, 2019 21:00:26 GMT
Some musicians have said things they regret in the music press. Eric Clapton still talks about comments he made and how they've damaged his career, eventually driving him to seclude in Columbus, Ohio. Elvis Costello famously said something stupid and offensive about Ray Charles that he regretted.
There's one guy I've heard mixed reports about. Some say country star Johnny Rebel of Moss Bluff, Louisiana was just about the most racist performer out there, while others say it was a character he played and didn't reflect his actual views. Either way, he became a hero to white supremacists. I was interested to learn he was once mistaken for being David Allan Coe's pseudonym as Coe was forced to defend himself over charges of racism regarding his album 'Underground' (1978). One of Rebel's songs was apparently covered by Louisiana showman Jimmy C. Newman, the man who gave up a slot at the Grand Ole Opry for 13-year old Dolly Parton and kickstarted her career. President Trump reportedly considered using Rebel's song 'Send Em All Back To Africa' for his new campaign.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 22, 2019 21:42:10 GMT
Saying something stupid one time does not make you a racist.
Saying it over and over makes you a racist.
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Post by petrolino on Aug 22, 2019 22:09:32 GMT
Saying something stupid one time does not make you a racist. Saying it over and over makes you a racist. It might be the time you got caught. Or, it might be one stupid comment in the heat of the moment that you regret making.
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Post by Sulla on Aug 23, 2019 2:24:11 GMT
Back in the 80s a friend found a cassette tape in a warehouse where he worked. It was only marked "David Allen Coe." So for years I thought it was Coe. I later learned it was the artist who goes by the name Johnny Rebel.
I'm from the U.S. South, so I've heard plenty of people say racist things. But I was shocked. I've never heard anything more explicitly offensive than those songs. Years ago some of them were on YouTube which surprised me. They've since been removed, but they're still found on some websites.
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Post by petrolino on Aug 23, 2019 2:32:01 GMT
Back in the 80s a friend found a cassette tape in a warehouse where he worked. It was only marked "David Allen Coe." So for years I thought it was Coe. I later learned it was the artist who goes by the name Johnny Rebel. I'm from the U.S. South, so I've heard plenty of people say racist things. But I was shocked. I've never heard anything more explicitly offensive than those songs. Years ago some of them were on YouTube which surprised me. They've since been removed, but they're still found on some websites. HI Sulla, I listened to some Rebel songs on youtube - they either post them with misspellings and slightly off-punctuation, or with codes, so you have to search a bit. White supremacy punks do the same with their unquoted offerings, songs that then rack up thousands upon thousands of listens while retaining an "outlaw mystique" to a certain kind of follower / convert. Rebel's pieces I've heard are solid if unambitious country songs with toe-tapping melodies but don't hold up to repeat listenings. As for the content, it's like a bad joke being told over and over again. He said before death he was sore his ancestors had been run out of Nova Scotia in Canada, which I believe is "new Scotland" in slang terms.
I've heard plenty of racist stuff living in England, here they call your typical racist sports fan "friendly racists", because many of them are peoples' "adorable" mums, dads and grandparents, all of whom are desperate to win the national lottery lol.
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Post by Sulla on Aug 23, 2019 3:32:49 GMT
Back in the 80s a friend found a cassette tape in a warehouse where he worked. It was only marked "David Allen Coe." So for years I thought it was Coe. I later learned it was the artist who goes by the name Johnny Rebel. I'm from the U.S. South, so I've heard plenty of people say racist things. But I was shocked. I've never heard anything more explicitly offensive than those songs. Years ago some of them were on YouTube which surprised me. They've since been removed, but they're still found on some websites. HI Sulla, I listened to some Rebel songs on youtube - they either post them with misspellings and slightly off-punctuation, or with codes, so you have to search a bit. White supremacy punks do the same with their unquoted offerings, songs that then rack up thousands upon thousands of listens while retaining an "outlaw mystique" to a certain kind of follower / convert. Rebel's pieces I've heard are solid if unambitious country songs with toe-tapping melodies but don't hold up to repeat listenings. As for the content, it's like a bad joke being told over and over again. He said before death he was sore his ancestors had been run out of Nova Scotia in Canada, which I believe is "new Scotland" in slang terms.
I've heard plenty of racist stuff living in England, here they call your typical racist sports fan "friendly racists", because many of them are peoples' "adorable" mums, dads and grandparents, all of whom are desperate to win the national lottery lol.
I guess I should've known people would find a way to get around the YouTube censors.
I admit that I tend to like sick/offensive humor, but I don't promote it. At first I thought of those songs as a novelty and maybe over-the-top satire poking fun at the rednecks of the past. And I thought they would fade with the past. That was over 30 years ago and I regret that I was wrong. But your "bad joke" comparison seems apt. As I got older, the novelty wore off.
I've heard England isn't free of racism. I suspect it will always exist. I just didn't notice while I was there. But then I was only there for a week at a time as a tourist. And London is quite cosmopolitan.
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Post by petrolino on Aug 23, 2019 3:40:24 GMT
HI Sulla, I listened to some Rebel songs on youtube - they either post them with misspellings and slightly off-punctuation, or with codes, so you have to search a bit. White supremacy punks do the same with their unquoted offerings, songs that then rack up thousands upon thousands of listens while retaining an "outlaw mystique" to a certain kind of follower / convert. Rebel's pieces I've heard are solid if unambitious country songs with toe-tapping melodies but don't hold up to repeat listenings. As for the content, it's like a bad joke being told over and over again. He said before death he was sore his ancestors had been run out of Nova Scotia in Canada, which I believe is "new Scotland" in slang terms.
I've heard plenty of racist stuff living in England, here they call your typical racist sports fan "friendly racists", because many of them are peoples' "adorable" mums, dads and grandparents, all of whom are desperate to win the national lottery lol.
I guess I should've known people would find a way to get around the YouTube censors.
I admit that I tend to like sick/offensive humor, but I don't promote it. At first I thought of those songs as a novelty and maybe over-the-top satire poking fun at the rednecks of the past. And I thought they would fade with the past. That was over 30 years ago and I regret that I was wrong. But your "bad joke" comparison seems apt. As I got older, the novelty wore off.
I've heard England isn't free of racism. I suspect it will always exist. I just didn't notice while I was there. But then I was only there for a week at a time as a tourist. And London is quite cosmopolitan.
Anyway, I strongly believe I'm with you 100% on this particular issue. As a mixed race person, I see both sides, and I'm all about pushing towards liberal freedoms and transparency wherevere possible.
Screw this cowardly "Rebel" guy. Louisiana gave us countless great artists, which is why so many people are now keen to visit, and it reamins my all-time favourite southern American state ...
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Post by Sulla on Aug 23, 2019 7:50:11 GMT
Another great song from New Orleans legend Allen Toussaint. Cheers! 
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