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Post by thenolan on Aug 23, 2019 20:08:49 GMT
Did I miss something? I was just told it wasn't? I think we all know it classifies as a time travel movie. Now just because it did the concept poorly does not make it not one. Neither the Russos, Comic-Science Fiction fans or the Director of Terminator 6 can wrap their heads around the poor execution of Time in the movie?
I don't understand Marvel. There were so many Time Travel movies they could have watched starting with the original. The Time Machine, The Terminator films, Back to the future, Sort Code, 12 Monkeys, Star Trek, Flashpoint, Time after Time, Interstellar and even Marvel's own DOFP.
Couldn't Marvel have made an effort to reduce the mess and plot holes that comes with time travel with so many inspirations? Now some of their fans are saying Endgame is not a time travel movie because they can't accpet it did poorly.
Interstellar hardly mentions time travel but still delivered this beauty with the same wormhole concept Endgame destroyed.
Am I asking too much for MCU movies to be smarter than they appear?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 23, 2019 20:10:50 GMT
Did I miss something? I was just told it wasn't? I think we all know it classifies as a time travel movie. Now just because it did the concept poorly does not make it not one. Neither the Russos, Comic-Science Fiction fans or the Director of Terminator 6 can wrap their heads around the poor execution of Time in the movie?
I don't understand Marvel. There were so many Time Travel movies they could have watched starting with the original. The Time Machine, The Terminator films, Back to the future, Sort Code, 12 Monkeys, Star Trek, Time after Time, Interstellar and even Marvel's own DOFP.
Couldn't Marvel have made an effort to reduce the mess and plot holes that comes with time travel with so many inspirations? Now some of their fans are saying Endgame is not a time travel movies because they can't accpet it did poorly.
I loved Sort Code.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 23, 2019 20:13:34 GMT
Did I miss something? I was just told it wasn't? I think we all know it classifies as a time travel movie. Now just because it did the concept poorly does not make it not one. Neither the Russos, Comic-Science Fiction fans or the Director of Terminator 6 can wrap their heads around the poor execution of Time in the movie?
I don't understand Marvel. There were so many Time Travel movies they could have watched starting with the original. The Time Machine, The Terminator films, Back to the future, Sort Code, 12 Monkeys, Star Trek, Time after Time, Interstellar and even Marvel's own DOFP.
Couldn't Marvel have made an effort to reduce the mess and plot holes that comes with time travel with so many inspirations? Now some of their fans are saying Endgame is not a time travel movies because they can't accpet it did poorly.
I loved Sort Code. So did I.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 23, 2019 20:14:29 GMT
I'm having this feeling that thenolan is DCFan...
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 23, 2019 20:16:46 GMT
I'm having this feeling that thenolan is DCFan... It's very DC-Fanesque to immediately start a redundant thread about a conversation he was having in another thread, isn't it? And this guy is about as clever.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 23, 2019 20:22:16 GMT
I'm having this feeling that thenolan is DCFan... You know Endgame's time travel sucking is a common viewed opinion. If I was DC- fan, I would have told you how Flashpoint did it better but thanks for the reminder.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 23, 2019 20:36:55 GMT
I'm having this feeling that thenolan is DCFan... You know Endgame's time travel sucking is a common viewed opinion. If I was DC- fan, I would have told you how Flashpoint did it better but thanks for the reminder.
Flashpoint's time travel is as bad as the one in Days of Future Past. Superman is older than the Flash. How does Flash going back in time, to when he is a pre-teen, cause baby Kal El's ship to land in a different place? Same with Days of Future Past causing everyone to be born before the time travel happened. Days of Future Past's time travel even has a woman with no psychic powers being able to send a person's mind back in time to their younger body. Tell me how that makes sense?
Endgame's time travel is the most straight forward of all time travels. No curves at all. The part that people get confused on is old Steve sitting on the bench and not knowing that he went back in time and changed nothing. People think that old Steve went back in time and changed things by marrying Peggy causing another timeline. When, in fact, the MCU we have been watching the entire time is not the 1st timeline, but a splinter one that Steve created by going back in time and marrying Peggy. If current Steve created a splinter timeline and lived there, he would have had to use the quantum pad to return to this timeline. They were watching the pad and would have seen old Steve return. But he didn't return to the pad. They saw him on the bench. Meaning that he lived out his life in the MCU timeline we were watching since Iron Man. Simple and straight forward.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 23, 2019 20:46:46 GMT
Did I miss something? I was just told it wasn't? I think we all know it classifies as a time travel movie. Now just because it did the concept poorly does not make it not one. Neither the Russos, Comic-Science Fiction fans or the Director of Terminator 6 can wrap their heads around the poor execution of Time in the movie?
I don't understand Marvel. There were so many Time Travel movies they could have watched starting with the original. The Time Machine, The Terminator films, Back to the future, Sort Code, 12 Monkeys, Star Trek, Flashpoint, Time after Time, Interstellar and even Marvel's own DOFP.
Couldn't Marvel have made an effort to reduce the mess and plot holes that comes with time travel with so many inspirations? Now some of their fans are saying Endgame is not a time travel movie because they can't accpet it did poorly.
Interstellar hardly mentions time travel but still delivered this beauty with the same wormhole concept Endgame destroyed.
Am I asking too much for MCU movies to be smarter than they appear?
Interstellar's time travel is the base of the movie. And it is a 1:1 timeline. They mention at the beginning of the movie things he does later in the movie. And the parts of the movie like what is in that video, I wouldn't really call time travel, but time skip. He's actually living in relative regular time. He's just going slower compared to the people on Earth.
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Post by poutinep on Aug 23, 2019 21:13:15 GMT
Now just because it did the concept poorly does not make it not one.
They didn't do it poorly. They did it very well in a way that people aren't used to. Because they did it differently, this confused some people, and because they got confused, they got angry, and because they got angry, they criticized the movie's take on time travel.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 23, 2019 21:27:20 GMT
You know Endgame's time travel sucking is a common viewed opinion. If I was DC- fan, I would have told you how Flashpoint did it better but thanks for the reminder.
Flashpoint's time travel is as bad as the one in Days of Future Past. Superman is older than the Flash. How does Flash going back in time, to when he is a pre-teen, cause baby Kal El's ship to land in a different place? Same with Days of Future Past causing everyone to be born before the time travel happened. Days of Future Past's time travel even has a woman with no psychic powers being able to send a person's mind back in time to their younger body. Tell me how that makes sense?
Endgame's time travel is the most straight forward of all time travels. No curves at all. The part that people get confused on is old Steve sitting on the bench and not knowing that he went back in time and changed nothing. People think that old Steve went back in time and changed things by marrying Peggy causing another timeline. When, in fact, the MCU we have been watching the entire time is not the 1st timeline, but a splinter one that Steve created by going back in time and marrying Peggy. If current Steve created a splinter timeline and lived there, he would have had to use the quantum pad to return to this timeline. They were watching the pad and would have seen old Steve return. But he didn't return to the pad. They saw him on the bench. Meaning that he lived out his life in the MCU timeline we were watching since Iron Man. Simple and straight forward.
In the case of Flashpoint, it was stated that traveling through time created a fracture in reality, which was supposed to be how it changed events that occurred before the event the Flash travelled back to. Not exactly a great explanation, but better than nothing. Mind you, I didn’t care much for the movie, or the comic it was based on. Regarding Old Man Steve, I should point out that what you’re saying actually contradicts the official explanation that Joe Russo provided.
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 23, 2019 22:07:22 GMT
You know Endgame's time travel sucking is a common viewed opinion. If I was DC- fan, I would have told you how Flashpoint did it better but thanks for the reminder.
Flashpoint's time travel is as bad as the one in Days of Future Past. Superman is older than the Flash. How does Flash going back in time, to when he is a pre-teen, cause baby Kal El's ship to land in a different place? Same with Days of Future Past causing everyone to be born before the time travel happened. Days of Future Past's time travel even has a woman with no psychic powers being able to send a person's mind back in time to their younger body. Tell me how that makes sense?
Endgame's time travel is the most straight forward of all time travels. No curves at all. The part that people get confused on is old Steve sitting on the bench and not knowing that he went back in time and changed nothing. People think that old Steve went back in time and changed things by marrying Peggy causing another timeline. When, in fact, the MCU we have been watching the entire time is not the 1st timeline, but a splinter one that Steve created by going back in time and marrying Peggy. If current Steve created a splinter timeline and lived there, he would have had to use the quantum pad to return to this timeline. They were watching the pad and would have seen old Steve return. But he didn't return to the pad. They saw him on the bench. Meaning that he lived out his life in the MCU timeline we were watching since Iron Man. Simple and straight forward.
In all honesty, I disagree with your theory that Steve managed to rewrite the prime timeline by marrying Peggy Carter. It contradicts the rule laid by Bruce that traveling back to the past doesn't change the future, but that it creates an alternate timeline. When Steve traveled back to 1945, he created yet another alternate timeline and skipped back to the present. The use of the quantum pad is irrelevant. Steve and Tony time-traveled from alternate 2012 to 1970 without a quantum pad. It's more so the use of the time GPS watch that Tony built that navigates where you wants to go when you time travel.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 23, 2019 22:29:03 GMT
Who’s voting “no,” lmao?
Time travel is literally the only reason this movie is possible the way it is. Without time travel this would be a completely different movie (and probably a better one).
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Post by dazz on Aug 23, 2019 23:53:04 GMT
Flashpoint's time travel is as bad as the one in Days of Future Past. Superman is older than the Flash. How does Flash going back in time, to when he is a pre-teen, cause baby Kal El's ship to land in a different place? Same with Days of Future Past causing everyone to be born before the time travel happened. Days of Future Past's time travel even has a woman with no psychic powers being able to send a person's mind back in time to their younger body. Tell me how that makes sense?
Endgame's time travel is the most straight forward of all time travels. No curves at all. The part that people get confused on is old Steve sitting on the bench and not knowing that he went back in time and changed nothing. People think that old Steve went back in time and changed things by marrying Peggy causing another timeline. When, in fact, the MCU we have been watching the entire time is not the 1st timeline, but a splinter one that Steve created by going back in time and marrying Peggy. If current Steve created a splinter timeline and lived there, he would have had to use the quantum pad to return to this timeline. They were watching the pad and would have seen old Steve return. But he didn't return to the pad. They saw him on the bench. Meaning that he lived out his life in the MCU timeline we were watching since Iron Man. Simple and straight forward.
In the case of Flashpoint, it was stated that traveling through time created a fracture in reality, which was supposed to be how it changed events that occurred before the event the Flash travelled back to. Not exactly a great explanation, but better than nothing. Mind you, I didn’t care much for the movie, or the comic it was based on. Regarding Old Man Steve, I should point out that what you’re saying actually contradicts the official explanation that Joe Russo provided. With Flashpoint wasn't the analogy that time travel was like throwing a stone into a pond, it creates ripples that spread out in all directions from the starting point, those ripples being greatest the closer to the epicentre and fading the further out you get, which also suggest ultimately all time travel is negligible in the grand scheme of things, somehow things fall back to the natural order they should be in, all time travel is capable of changing is the course of a single lifetime of events.
I kind of like it and kind of not, but still it does seem silly that changing something in say 1999 can alter events in 1989, I think the breaking time thing was the Flashpoint explanation in the TV show represented by breaking a cup and revealing even when "fixed" the cup wasn't returned to the state it was before shown by the cup having crack marks where it was broken.
As for Joe Russo keep in mind he didn't write the movie, and the Russo's actually create more problems by trying to explain away minor issues people have with their movies by basically saying no what we did is right everyone else however is wrong, I think the writers actually said Old Cap was always Peggy's husband in the main timeline, which works due to us never seeing her husband, getting a name or anything else about him really, which if so I take the writers word over the directors seeing as they actually wrote the story and understand it, the directors just shoot the fucking thing.
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Post by dazz on Aug 24, 2019 0:08:09 GMT
Flashpoint's time travel is as bad as the one in Days of Future Past. Superman is older than the Flash. How does Flash going back in time, to when he is a pre-teen, cause baby Kal El's ship to land in a different place? Same with Days of Future Past causing everyone to be born before the time travel happened. Days of Future Past's time travel even has a woman with no psychic powers being able to send a person's mind back in time to their younger body. Tell me how that makes sense?
Endgame's time travel is the most straight forward of all time travels. No curves at all. The part that people get confused on is old Steve sitting on the bench and not knowing that he went back in time and changed nothing. People think that old Steve went back in time and changed things by marrying Peggy causing another timeline. When, in fact, the MCU we have been watching the entire time is not the 1st timeline, but a splinter one that Steve created by going back in time and marrying Peggy. If current Steve created a splinter timeline and lived there, he would have had to use the quantum pad to return to this timeline. They were watching the pad and would have seen old Steve return. But he didn't return to the pad. They saw him on the bench. Meaning that he lived out his life in the MCU timeline we were watching since Iron Man. Simple and straight forward.
In all honesty, I disagree with your theory that Steve managed to rewrite the prime timeline by marrying Peggy Carter. It contradicts the rule laid by Bruce that traveling back to the past doesn't change the future, but that it creates an alternate timeline. When Steve traveled back to 1945, he created yet another alternate timeline and skipped back to the present. The use of the quantum pad is irrelevant. Steve and Tony time-traveled from alternate 2012 to 1970 without a quantum pad. It's more so the use of the time GPS watch that Tony built that navigates where you wants to go when you time travel. I think the idea he rewrote a timeline is the problem, you cannot do that, that's the point I think, there is no prime timeline, there is no creating new timelines, there is just the endless multiverse where every potential outcome is played out, a prime timeline only works if it's believed time is fixed, from the big bang to the inevitable end of the universe every event is predestined to happen, no choice is a choice, nothing is random it's all on a set course, which even negates the idea of a infinite multiverse's/timelines which we do know is possible via Strange seeing millions of scenarios in how they face Thanos.
There could however be billions of timelines where time travel doesn't disrupt the timeline, but trillions more where it does, the MCU seems to exist in a multiverse of fixed timelines, you cannot change your past all you can do is become a part of another timelines past, this is how Steve could go back in time and marry Peggy as it was a fixed point in time ala Kyle Reese fathering John Connor in Terminator 1.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 24, 2019 0:14:18 GMT
In the case of Flashpoint, it was stated that traveling through time created a fracture in reality, which was supposed to be how it changed events that occurred before the event the Flash travelled back to. Not exactly a great explanation, but better than nothing. Mind you, I didn’t care much for the movie, or the comic it was based on. Regarding Old Man Steve, I should point out that what you’re saying actually contradicts the official explanation that Joe Russo provided. With Flashpoint wasn't the analogy that time travel was like throwing a stone into a pond, it creates ripples that spread out in all directions from the starting point, those ripples being greatest the closer to the epicentre and fading the further out you get, which also suggest ultimately all time travel is negligible in the grand scheme of things, somehow things fall back to the natural order they should be in, all time travel is capable of changing is the course of a single lifetime of events.
I kind of like it and kind of not, but still it does seem silly that changing something in say 1999 can alter events in 1989, I think the breaking time thing was the Flashpoint explanation in the TV show represented by breaking a cup and revealing even when "fixed" the cup wasn't returned to the state it was before shown by the cup having crack marks where it was broken.
As for Joe Russo keep in mind he didn't write the movie, and the Russo's actually create more problems by trying to explain away minor issues people have with their movies by basically saying no what we did is right everyone else however is wrong, I think the writers actually said Old Cap was always Peggy's husband in the main timeline, which works due to us never seeing her husband, getting a name or anything else about him really, which if so I take the writers word over the directors seeing as they actually wrote the story and understand it, the directors just shoot the fucking thing.
Doesn’t the idea that Steve Rogers was Peggy Carter’s husband all along contradict what the movie already told us about time travel?
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Post by dazz on Aug 24, 2019 0:32:35 GMT
With Flashpoint wasn't the analogy that time travel was like throwing a stone into a pond, it creates ripples that spread out in all directions from the starting point, those ripples being greatest the closer to the epicentre and fading the further out you get, which also suggest ultimately all time travel is negligible in the grand scheme of things, somehow things fall back to the natural order they should be in, all time travel is capable of changing is the course of a single lifetime of events.
I kind of like it and kind of not, but still it does seem silly that changing something in say 1999 can alter events in 1989, I think the breaking time thing was the Flashpoint explanation in the TV show represented by breaking a cup and revealing even when "fixed" the cup wasn't returned to the state it was before shown by the cup having crack marks where it was broken.
As for Joe Russo keep in mind he didn't write the movie, and the Russo's actually create more problems by trying to explain away minor issues people have with their movies by basically saying no what we did is right everyone else however is wrong, I think the writers actually said Old Cap was always Peggy's husband in the main timeline, which works due to us never seeing her husband, getting a name or anything else about him really, which if so I take the writers word over the directors seeing as they actually wrote the story and understand it, the directors just shoot the fucking thing.
Doesn’t the idea that Steve Rogers was Peggy Carter’s husband all along contradict what the movie already told us about time travel? No, what the movie says is you cannot change the past, the event that led you to where you are have to happen or else you wouldn't be you where you are in that moment, people don't take into account that time travel in Endgame can by these parameters have 2 outcomes, 1: You are traveling to the past of an alternative timeline where in your interactions are part of that timelines history, you aren't changing anything from that perspective just playing your part in that timelines story, this is the events we mostly see in Endgame when the Avengers cause changes to the events a happened in their own past, 2: You travel ack into the past of your own timeline in which case you cannot change anything because you travelling to the past was always part of the timeline, this is what happens with Steve & Peggy, Steve was always the husband Peggy spoke about, which is why we never see him or hear much about him, this is the Terminator approach.
You ca have both as neither excludes the possibility of the other.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 24, 2019 1:42:27 GMT
Flashpoint's time travel is as bad as the one in Days of Future Past. Superman is older than the Flash. How does Flash going back in time, to when he is a pre-teen, cause baby Kal El's ship to land in a different place? Same with Days of Future Past causing everyone to be born before the time travel happened. Days of Future Past's time travel even has a woman with no psychic powers being able to send a person's mind back in time to their younger body. Tell me how that makes sense?
Endgame's time travel is the most straight forward of all time travels. No curves at all. The part that people get confused on is old Steve sitting on the bench and not knowing that he went back in time and changed nothing. People think that old Steve went back in time and changed things by marrying Peggy causing another timeline. When, in fact, the MCU we have been watching the entire time is not the 1st timeline, but a splinter one that Steve created by going back in time and marrying Peggy. If current Steve created a splinter timeline and lived there, he would have had to use the quantum pad to return to this timeline. They were watching the pad and would have seen old Steve return. But he didn't return to the pad. They saw him on the bench. Meaning that he lived out his life in the MCU timeline we were watching since Iron Man. Simple and straight forward.
In all honesty, I disagree with your theory that Steve managed to rewrite the prime timeline by marrying Peggy Carter. It contradicts the rule laid by Bruce that traveling back to the past doesn't change the future, but that it creates an alternate timeline. When Steve traveled back to 1945, he created yet another alternate timeline and skipped back to the present. The use of the quantum pad is irrelevant. Steve and Tony time-traveled from alternate 2012 to 1970 without a quantum pad. It's more so the use of the time GPS watch that Tony built that navigates where you wants to go when you time travel. Let me reiterate what I said before. The MCU we have been watching is not the original timeline. The MCU we have been watching is an alternate timeline that Steve created by going back and marrying Peggy. And I don't mean the Steve we have been watching. The original Steve most likely saw that Peggy wasn't married. He then created an alternate timeline. Our Steve went back to the 70s and saw that he was married to Peggy which gave him the idea to go back and marry Peggy. Now, whenever a Steve goes back and marries Peggy he creates a time loop unless he changes something other than what the previous Steve changed. So if the Steve we have been watching doesn't change a thing, he will stay in the timeline he was in before. So, no, it doesn't contradict the rules laid out by Banner. Also, the Russos said that Steve created an alternate timeline. I did say that.
Yes, they traveled to the past without the pad. But when they came back to the anchor point timeline they landed on the pad. That Steve had to travel back in time to be on that bench. You can't travel to the future with that form of time travel. You can only open a doorway to the past or bring something through with you. And if that Steve is from an alternate timeline, he can't go back to the one he was just in. The device he was using is anchored to this timeline. He'd just land on the pad a couple minutes ago. Which they will see. And then there will be two old Steves...
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 24, 2019 2:03:33 GMT
In all honesty, I disagree with your theory that Steve managed to rewrite the prime timeline by marrying Peggy Carter. It contradicts the rule laid by Bruce that traveling back to the past doesn't change the future, but that it creates an alternate timeline. When Steve traveled back to 1945, he created yet another alternate timeline and skipped back to the present. The use of the quantum pad is irrelevant. Steve and Tony time-traveled from alternate 2012 to 1970 without a quantum pad. It's more so the use of the time GPS watch that Tony built that navigates where you wants to go when you time travel. I think the idea he rewrote a timeline is the problem, you cannot do that, that's the point I think, there is no prime timeline, there is no creating new timelines, there is just the endless multiverse where every potential outcome is played out, a prime timeline only works if it's believed time is fixed, from the big bang to the inevitable end of the universe every event is predestined to happen, no choice is a choice, nothing is random it's all on a set course, which even negates the idea of a infinite multiverse's/timelines which we do know is possible via Strange seeing millions of scenarios in how they face Thanos.
There could however be billions of timelines where time travel doesn't disrupt the timeline, but trillions more where it does, the MCU seems to exist in a multiverse of fixed timelines, you cannot change your past all you can do is become a part of another timelines past, this is how Steve could go back in time and marry Peggy as it was a fixed point in time ala Kyle Reese fathering John Connor in Terminator 1.
I think "Prime" is meant to indicate a starting point for them. Like if the outcome starting from Steve becoming Captain America is the same every time, that is the prime timeline. But then you have them go back in time and change things, then you create other timelines off of that. I mean, Strange said there saw over 14 million timelines in the fight against Thanos 1. That might only be because of what they did when they traveled through time and not something they randomly did without time travel.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 24, 2019 2:18:46 GMT
Doesn’t the idea that Steve Rogers was Peggy Carter’s husband all along contradict what the movie already told us about time travel? No, what the movie says is you cannot change the past, the event that led you to where you are have to happen or else you wouldn't be you where you are in that moment, people don't take into account that time travel in Endgame can by these parameters have 2 outcomes, 1: You are traveling to the past of an alternative timeline where in your interactions are part of that timelines history, you aren't changing anything from that perspective just playing your part in that timelines story, this is the events we mostly see in Endgame when the Avengers cause changes to the events a happened in their own past, 2: You travel ack into the past of your own timeline in which case you cannot change anything because you travelling to the past was always part of the timeline, this is what happens with Steve & Peggy, Steve was always the husband Peggy spoke about, which is why we never see him or hear much about him, this is the Terminator approach.
You ca have both as neither excludes the possibility of the other.
We kinda hear about Steve being her husband in Winter Soldier from Peggy. The thing is that we hear it from a woman with dementia seeing young Steve and thinking she was young seeing her young husband again. She's surprised to see he's alive, maybe going back to when she sees him in Endgame. She also talks about saving the world, but that could be her talking about from Thanos.
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Post by dazz on Aug 24, 2019 2:20:31 GMT
I think the idea he rewrote a timeline is the problem, you cannot do that, that's the point I think, there is no prime timeline, there is no creating new timelines, there is just the endless multiverse where every potential outcome is played out, a prime timeline only works if it's believed time is fixed, from the big bang to the inevitable end of the universe every event is predestined to happen, no choice is a choice, nothing is random it's all on a set course, which even negates the idea of a infinite multiverse's/timelines which we do know is possible via Strange seeing millions of scenarios in how they face Thanos.
There could however be billions of timelines where time travel doesn't disrupt the timeline, but trillions more where it does, the MCU seems to exist in a multiverse of fixed timelines, you cannot change your past all you can do is become a part of another timelines past, this is how Steve could go back in time and marry Peggy as it was a fixed point in time ala Kyle Reese fathering John Connor in Terminator 1.
I think "Prime" is meant to indicate a starting point for them. Like if the outcome starting from Steve becoming Captain America is the same every time, that is the prime timeline. But then you have them go back in time and change things, then you create other timelines off of that. I mean, Strange said there saw over 14 million timelines in the fight against Thanos 1. That might only be because of what they did when they traveled through time and not something they randomly did without time travel.
Strange said he saw 14 million scenarios iiirc, scenarios is different to timelines, million timelines could result in the same scenario due to how tediously different they are, when you think there are 7+ billion people on the planet each person making hundreds of choices each every day, just looking into every possible future timeline for tomorrow if you consider only earth as a factor you are talking about hundreds of billions even trillions of potential timelines, let alone 5 years with an entire universe of over trillions of beings, so his 14 million only works if we are talking scenarios.
And again a prime timeline infers limited numbers of universes and potential scenarios, Strange wasn't using a computer simulation in which anything he wanted could be added or taken away and any feasible outcome played out, Strange saw actual possible futures because he was using the time stone if things were set he wouldn't be able to do this imo, which negates the possibility of a prime timeline.
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