Endgame is a Time Travel movie

Aug 24, 2019 9:27:11 GMT thenolan said:

As for flashpoint, the story of time travel is less cliche than endgame. I love how both DOFP and Flashpoint dwell on the concept that the heroes could not win by simply beating up the bad guys. Making time travel even more necessary and more understanding. I was bored when I saw another big avengers battle, it has sucked since Loki did it in Avengers 1.

Space court drama would have been better, Thanos snaps his fingers, brings everyone back, dies and redeems himself. this is what Endgame needed. Avengers are like uneducated Cavemens, they solve everything with  fights and blows.

I prefer the story telling of Mystique and Barry Flash Allen in DOFP and Flash Ppoint, who had to make personal sacrifices at the end of the movie for the heroes to win. not the heroes wining because they can easily beat up the villains that killed them before time travel brought them back to get their revenge.

No it didn't and Flashpoint, atleast the film did have that, Barry had to beat Eobard so he could reconnect fully to the speedforce so he could go back to the past and let his mother die, Flashpoint simply had it where the smaller battles didn't matter, Wonder woman Vs. Aquaman doesn't matter really, it's not important beyond giving Barry the reason to put things back after that the battle between Atlantis  & the Amazons only matters to provide an action packed backdrop, Endgame did do this also, Spider-Man was dogpiled and would likely have died but the fight that mattered was over the stones, Tony got them and ended everything, only issue really is they didn't show enough of other characters struggling imo, but that would also be called cliché by anyone wanting to look for negativity, that Tony saves everyone by using the stones nullifying the results of individual battles.

Also the point of Endgame was they couldn't win just by beating the bad guy, they did this in the opening 20 minutes and took Thanos's head off, didn't matter, they had to go to the extreme of time travel to fix the problem, this also playing into a a point of false praise for DOFP, THIS actually showed repercussions of time travel, Thanos killed half the universe so they went back to undo that, but that brought the ire of past alternative Thanos who then planned to destroy the universe entirely and remake it from the ground up, by time travelling to bring back those they lost they ultimately create a problem where they risked losing everything, this is a repercussion because it couldn't happen without time travel, they killed they biggest bad ass in the universe and by trying to undo his damage brought a 2nd version of him back to do more damage.

DOFP didn't do anything new, it did the same thing most X-Men movies do, they had a big action piece followed by a much more restrained final confrontation, it happened in X1, X2, Last Stand & First Class, but they still had big action stuff happening right before things slowed down a bit also Raven doesn't make a personal sacrifice, how is not murdering someone in cold blood a sacrifice? Tony however does, he knowingly and willingly gave his own life to take out Thanos and his army to protect everyone, he did it without hesitation or regret on top of that.

Complaining that an Avenger movie a movie franchise base on it being ensemble franchise of various stand alone heroes & franchises having a big battle is dumb, complaining about how they did it I could get, it being the 4th time the have ended an Avengers movie with the heroes facing yet another hoard of identical enemies is fair, or that it ended in a massive final battle featuring every character in the movie is again fair, they could have if they had done a big team battle earlier in the film ended the movie with the battle being the MCU Trinity Vs Thanos instead of army vs army, still would have had a big group fight earlier in the movie and a climatic battle to end on but it wouldn't be the same faceless CGI army Vs. the good guys for once, but that's not the complaint you are making, the one you are making is silly.

Also this is in relation to the post you made prior to this, DOFP did get flack for the timeline crap when it came out not sure about Flashpoint due to it being so much less talked about in general but DOFP was criticised for yet again the timeline of the X-Men not making sense, which was only made much worse with the sequels to it fucking things up worse, but still the fact that somehow stopping the Sentinels prevents Jean going psycho in an unrelated issue is daft, given what was wrong there at the core was her own psyche not an external threat connected to the Sentinels, yu know it would be like saying if we stopped JFK's assassination then we will prevent that shrapnel Mr McNuggets has left in him from WW2 causing him to have an aneurism.

I mean due to saying FC & X1 are explicitly in the same continuity where as previously it was stated FC was a soft reboot, and the connection could or could not match up, this brought up the issues o Raven & Xavier's relationship not being present at all in X1-Last Stand, that the story of how Magneto helped build Cerebro and that's how he knows how to protect himself from it makes no sense, nor does Xavier not knowing before hand Magneto has a helmet to protect him from Xavier, the whole cure thing was pissed on as well as Beast & Xavier now look like cunts for not divulging the miracle drug to the likes of Rogue whose powers were a major problem for them.

DOFP wasn't not pulled up for their time travel issues, but nor was it seen by as many people, Endgame made 4 times the money DOFP, it was seen by way more people, so every topic with Endgame has and will be discussed more avidly, that's just plain sense, not surprised you fail to grasp this however.