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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Sept 2, 2019 12:39:26 GMT
Have you ever noticed that, if you leave X-Men Origins and The Last Stand out of the equation, the TWO TIMELINES model works so nicely?
I would leave The Last Stand in and just pretend X-Men Origins is an alternate universe - later, modified by Deadpool at the end of Deadpool 2.
We can just assume that there are two Angels and the Apocalypse Angel was NOT Warren.
Everything is fine.
X-Men Origins has way too many contradictions with X1-X3, above all.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 2, 2019 12:52:28 GMT
Leave it out? I saw that one in theaters but I keep forgetting it even exists.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Sept 2, 2019 13:16:06 GMT
Basically:
Original Timeline
X-Men: First Class X-Men X2 X-Men: The Last Stand The Wolverine DOFP 2023
Altered Timeline - "Beginnings Saga"
X-Men: First Class X-Men: Days of Future Past X-Men: Apocalypse Dark Phoenix Deadpool Deadpool 2 The New Mutants DOFP 2023 - Revised
Alternate Universes
Generation X X-Men Origins: Wolverine Logan Legion The Gifted
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Post by dazz on Sept 19, 2019 12:24:51 GMT
I say you leave out The Last Stand as then Jean & Scott being alive at the end of DOFP makes more sense, the whole Raven/Charles relationship is still a mess but whatever, I mean there are still some large flaws imo such as the whole we created a mutant surpresant/power control serum in the 70's but we don't share that in the 00's with the terrified girl who cant even touch another person without risking their life, you also have the daft retconning of Cerebro and why Magneto's helmet can protect him, but yeah overall cut out TLS & Origins and things do work quite nicely.
Well cut out Dark Phoenix also as that is contradictive and daft also, but Logan I think isn't an AU but just a potential future from where DOFP left off, also you don't need TLS as The Wolverine establishes the key things you need to know that Jean is dead, I think Scott also is reaffirmed as dead maybe in the movie, Logan blames himself is what we can take away from the movie which how X2 ended would make sense, with Scott dying off screen a different way.
The 2 Angels thing then also fills in the how on certain easter eggs, like how did Stryker have ArchAngel design stuff? because it was Angel from Apocalypse not Angel from TLS, or there is only 1 Angel as without TLS we don't get the other dude and Archangel in the original timeline was a Stryker creation not an Apocalypse one and could have still been alive.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 23, 2019 22:36:20 GMT
Either way the movie is a stinker.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 27, 2019 23:04:40 GMT
I'd put X-men Apocalypse under "Alternate Universes" also. If you go from DoFP to DP, things make sense... kinda. You wouldn't have retconning Phoenixes. You wouldn't have Mystique saying they called themselves X-men back in First Class.
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