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Post by ryboto on Apr 14, 2017 20:37:09 GMT
It showed absolutely nothing and raised more questions than it answered. That's why I loved it. I wish more trailers did that. And this is exactly why I dislike the direction of the franchise. Creating speculation is not interesting, especially if the characters are uninteresting and the story is uninteresting. A mysterybox movie isn't a good movie just because it gets the nerds speculating.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 14, 2017 21:05:22 GMT
It showed absolutely nothing and raised more questions than it answered. That's why I loved it. I wish more trailers did that. And this is exactly why I dislike the direction of the franchise. Creating speculation is not interesting, especially if the characters are uninteresting and the story is uninteresting. A mysterybox movie isn't a good movie just because it gets the nerds speculating. But isn't that the point of a teaser trailer? Hell, even a trailer. You aren't suppose to know what the movie is all about. Just enough to get you to want to know more. Hence, see the movie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 21:13:06 GMT
As a trailer I was a bit disappointed at the lack of content. We get a lot of close ups and very few wide shots. It makes me miss the prequel trailers that always made sure they'd show all the Star Warsy elements like aliens and cool planets. That being said I think it looks good. SPACE BATTLE! HOORAY! I love me a space battle. I can only hope Old Ack is in one of those ships! Also, those ships on the white sand look VERY Star Warsesque. I love that bit. And hearing Luke of course was awesome... Just curious though why do both teasers start with a jump scare?? Such an odd choice. Ackbar is in one of those ships. They showed an image of him during the panel. Gonna go find it! Edit: here he is! Sweeeeeeeet! I was worried that they wouldn't bring him back. So awesome to see he's returning!🐙🐙🐙🐙🐙
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Post by darkpast on Apr 14, 2017 22:23:13 GMT
it was fine, nothing special
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Post by ryboto on Apr 14, 2017 23:01:26 GMT
And this is exactly why I dislike the direction of the franchise. Creating speculation is not interesting, especially if the characters are uninteresting and the story is uninteresting. A mysterybox movie isn't a good movie just because it gets the nerds speculating. But isn't that the point of a teaser trailer? Hell, even a trailer. You aren't suppose to know what the movie is all about. Just enough to get you to want to know more. Hence, see the movie. TFA trailers excited me by capturing some of the 'mystery' of the SW universe feel...now the mysteries are "who is she related to" or other dramatic bullshit. No, this is a different kind of speculation starter vs other franchises. Now it's like episodic mystery box tv. First SW sequel to start immediately following the end of the last...it's doomed.
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Post by sov on Apr 15, 2017 0:02:53 GMT
I very much enjoyed it, but I didn't expect I wouldn't.
Cool as it was, Luke's presence pretty much overshadowed every thing and every other character appearing in it. His full return might be why I'm most excited for The Last Jedi, none of the more recent characters do it as much for me.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Apr 15, 2017 1:20:10 GMT
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that 'some' of the negative reactions to the trailer have been from people who didn't like "THE FORCE AWAKENS" ?
That to me says a lot about HATERS! They have been out in full force ever since Disney took over the "STAR WARS" Franchise.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 15, 2017 1:22:25 GMT
But isn't that the point of a teaser trailer? Hell, even a trailer. You aren't suppose to know what the movie is all about. Just enough to get you to want to know more. Hence, see the movie. TFA trailers excited me by capturing some of the 'mystery' of the SW universe feel...now the mysteries are "who is she related to" or other dramatic bullshit. No, this is a different kind of speculation starter vs other franchises. Now it's like episodic mystery box tv. First SW sequel to start immediately following the end of the last...it's doomed. To be fair, that is not a mystery brought on by the movie, but by fans. So you are saying that Star Wars Episode 8 is episodic? That's crazy.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 2:14:55 GMT
It seems Disney's narrative terraforming of the galaxy far, far away continues; not coincidentally, the franchise slides closer and closer to self-parody. Can't wait to hear my cousins' kids unironically begging them to go see Episode XIV in a few Christmases from now....
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 15, 2017 2:44:35 GMT
It showed absolutely nothing and raised more questions than it answered. That's why I loved it. I wish more trailers did that. And this is exactly why I dislike the direction of the franchise. Creating speculation is not interesting, especially if the characters are uninteresting and the story is uninteresting. A mysterybox movie isn't a good movie just because it gets the nerds speculating.Well said! It's okay if that's one of the pros of your movie. But if nerd buzz from fanfic theories is one of the top 2 or 3 best things about your movie, it says something about your movie... and it's not good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 3:15:29 GMT
And this is exactly why I dislike the direction of the franchise. Creating speculation is not interesting, especially if the characters are uninteresting and the story is uninteresting. A mysterybox movie isn't a good movie just because it gets the nerds speculating.Well said! It's okay if that's one of the pros of your movie. But if nerd buzz from fanfic theories is one of the top 2 or 3 best things about your movie, it says something about your movie... and it's not good. So if a trailer just teases and raises questions that somehow says the movie is going to be bad? There are some people who revel in mystery, and there are some people who revel in knowing everything. In the early years of this franchise, it was about the mystery, it really was. Then for many, so many years, it was about filling in every conceivable blank that could be filled. It was about having every Wookiepedia article reaching "Star Destroyer Class". I'm certain that the type of person who likes knowing all there is to know, or at least being able to look it up instantly to find the answer doesn't like where this is going. I personally love the story going into the unknown. I love speculating, probably because I don't care if I end up being wrong or not.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 15, 2017 7:00:47 GMT
Well said! It's okay if that's one of the pros of your movie. But if nerd buzz from fanfic theories is one of the top 2 or 3 best things about your movie, it says something about your movie... and it's not good. So if a trailer just teases and raises questions that somehow says the movie is going to be bad? There are some people who revel in mystery, and there are some people who revel in knowing everything. In the early years of this franchise, it was about the mystery, it really was. Then for many, so many years, it was about filling in every conceivable blank that could be filled. It was about having every Wookiepedia article reaching "Star Destroyer Class". I'm certain that the type of person who likes knowing all there is to know, or at least being able to look it up instantly to find the answer doesn't like where this is going. I personally love the story going into the unknown. I love speculating, probably because I don't care if I end up being wrong or not. No, it doesn't say that the movie is going to be bad. I just prefer more balance. I've seen more fanfic theories attached to TFA than any other SW movie by far. And over half the people inventing them brazenly tout theirs as facts and take it personally if you challenge them... as if when you do you're committing SW heresy! An enthusiastic theory is not lore dogma. (But you can't tell half these Bozos that). And there's nothing wrong with good mystery. I thought the OT had that. They left enough mystery on some things to stimulate fan theories, but enough evidence and clues to give you ballpark ideas on how good or bad a theory might be. And then some people just came up with wild theories just for fun. So much of TFA mystery is stamped with Abrams "mystery box" mystery. And that ranges from clueless mystery to illogical, to vague to inconsistency to contrived... and who can forget the "just blame it on inner conflict" mystery! - In ANH we wondered why Vader wore a mask and complete bodysuit. He seemed to be a warrior but he was clearly more elite than some grunt Stormtrooper. But the respirator sound coming from his mask gave us a clue that maybe he was dependent upon his armor to stay alive. But why? How? What happened?... In TFA we wonder why Kylo wears a mask. That turned out to be one of the few uncovered mysteries within the movie. Shorty after taking it off to reveal its likely for aesthetic reasons only, Rey confirms it with saying he wants to be just like Darth Vader. - In ANH I wondered where do Wookiees come from? And how did Han Solo and Chewbacca become friends?... In TFA I wondered how Finn could shrug off programming from birth (better than what OT Stormtroopers were subjected to)? And more importantly was did he never struggle with it? Why was it so easy? The only thing he was conflicted about was whether to run away or stay with the Resistance. (I'll probably never get an answer to that question). - In ANH I wondered why was Moff Tarkin so grand? Then I wondered what the heck is a Grand Moff?... In TFA I wondered why Rey seems to be the only one who wants to deliver BB8 when she was also the only one who wasn't personally invested in wanting to stop the First Order, or who could appreciate firsthand his importance? (I probably won't get an answer for that one either). I could go on with a half dozen more examples. And some of the mystery in TFA may have a payoff. For instance, I might get a good answer for why Rey needs training for things she doesn't seem to need training in? Perhaps there's a deeper meaning. But I just find (for me) one is clearly a better brand of mystery than the other.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 15, 2017 12:51:49 GMT
TFA trailers excited me by capturing some of the 'mystery' of the SW universe feel...now the mysteries are "who is she related to" or other dramatic bullshit. No, this is a different kind of speculation starter vs other franchises. Now it's like episodic mystery box tv. First SW sequel to start immediately following the end of the last...it's doomed. To be fair, that is not a mystery brought on by the movie, but by fans. So you are saying that Star Wars Episode 8 is episodic? That's crazy. If the characters or direction of the saga were interesting, maybe these 'mysteries' would actually be exciting. Unfortunately, they're meaningless, to me.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 13:01:28 GMT
To be fair, that is not a mystery brought on by the movie, but by fans. So you are saying that Star Wars Episode 8 is episodic? That's crazy. If the characters or direction of the saga were interesting, maybe these 'mysteries' would actually be exciting. Unfortunately, they're meaningless, to me. Most respectfully, you forgot to include them retconning the entirety of the original six-film saga into a paltry prologue to the real story of the real Chosen One, Rey, starting in the real Anno Domini of the Star Wars galaxy, The Force Awakens. That too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 13:28:12 GMT
So if a trailer just teases and raises questions that somehow says the movie is going to be bad? There are some people who revel in mystery, and there are some people who revel in knowing everything. In the early years of this franchise, it was about the mystery, it really was. Then for many, so many years, it was about filling in every conceivable blank that could be filled. It was about having every Wookiepedia article reaching "Star Destroyer Class". I'm certain that the type of person who likes knowing all there is to know, or at least being able to look it up instantly to find the answer doesn't like where this is going. I personally love the story going into the unknown. I love speculating, probably because I don't care if I end up being wrong or not. No, it doesn't say that the movie is going to be bad. I just prefer more balance. I've seen more fanfic theories attached to TFA than any other SW movie by far. And over half the people inventing them brazenly tout theirs as facts and take it personally if you challenge them... as if when you do you're committing SW heresy! An enthusiastic theory is not lore dogma. (But you can't tell half these Bozos that). And there's nothing wrong with good mystery. I thought the OT had that. They left enough mystery on some things to stimulate fan theories, but enough evidence and clues to give you ballpark ideas on how good or bad a theory might be. And then some people just came up with wild theories just for fun. So much of TFA mystery is stamped with Abrams "mystery box" mystery. And that ranges from clueless mystery to illogical, to vague to inconsistency to contrived... and who can forget the "just blame it on inner conflict" mystery! - In ANH we wondered why Vader wore a mask and complete bodysuit. He seemed to be a warrior but he was clearly more elite than some grunt Stormtrooper. But the respirator sound coming from his mask gave us a clue that maybe he was dependent upon his armor to stay alive. But why? How? What happened?... In TFA we wonder why Kylo wears a mask. That turned out to be one of the few uncovered mysteries within the movie. Shorty after taking it off to reveal its likely for aesthetic reasons only, Rey confirms it with saying he wants to be just like Darth Vader. - In ANH I wondered where do Wookiees come from? And how did Han Solo and Chewbacca become friends?... In TFA I wondered how Finn could shrug off programming from birth (better than what OT Stormtroopers were subjected to)? And more importantly was did he never struggle with it? Why was it so easy? The only thing he was conflicted about was whether to run away or stay with the Resistance. (I'll probably never get an answer to that question). - In ANH I wondered why was Moff Tarkin so grand? Then I wondered what the heck is a Grand Moff?... In TFA I wondered why Rey seems to be the only one who wants to deliver BB8 when she was also the only one who wasn't personally invested in wanting to stop the First Order, or who could appreciate firsthand his importance? (I probably won't get an answer for that one either). I could go on with a half dozen more examples. And some of the mystery in TFA may have a payoff. For instance, I might get a good answer for why Rey needs training for things she doesn't seem to need training in? Perhaps there's a deeper meaning. But I just find (for me) one is clearly a better brand of mystery than the other. I'm not even inferring that the events set forth in the ST are as good as what happened in the OT. I'm saying I'm intrigued by these mysteries. This story has been bottled up and cataloged for a long time, and it's attracted a LOT of fans who like it that way. Some of them are so used to being "right" because they could just look up the answer, they may have a little trouble understanding that it's OK to be wrong and not defend their interpretation as some sort of fact. It's not that way anymore. It's opened up to the future, and it hasn't been that way since 1983. Yes, I agree that there' s a whole lot more open than there was back then. Some people are going to like it, some won't. If in the end, the mysteries are just a bunch of empty unexplained gimmicks, then that will be a shame and there will be disappointment, but I have already seen through my own eyes a few scenarios that this all plays out and it makes sense, and it has been enjoyable for me. I doubt that if I can come up with multiple answers to the mystery boxes laid out here that a writer working on this story since he was hired back in June of 2014 couldn't have come up with outcomes that are much more fulfilling. I sit in anticipation as to how Rian Johnson finishes this story.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 13:34:00 GMT
I sit in anticipation as to how Colin Trevorrow finishes this story. FIFY.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 13:59:06 GMT
I sit in anticipation as to how Colin Trevorrow finishes this story. FIFY. LOL, good thing it's Johnson who is writing the treatment for Trevorrow's chapter. Hopefully he won't stray from Johnson's core thought with his own.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 15, 2017 14:01:46 GMT
Rey is a shit character, so I wont watch it. So, no, I don't like this trailer having not seen it.How many more times do you need to emphasize this?
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 15, 2017 14:07:09 GMT
Eh. I have mixed feelings about it. It's nice to see Rey train and look badass, but I didn't like how the only shot of Finn showed him in a coma. Lame. Reminds me of The Force Awaken's teaser when Finn was only showed panicky, out of breath and on the run. Everyone else got to look cool. Same in this teaser. True. He got very little time in the trailer. It's silly that Disney is trying to make us worry that Finn isn't going to heal/make it. Rian Johnson even showed some pictures he took on set and Finn is in one of them (up and walking fine). I will say he got more time in the trailer than Benicio Del Toro, Domhnall Gleeson, and Snoke.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 17:46:45 GMT
FIFY. LOL, good thing it's Johnson who is writing the treatment for Trevorrow's chapter. Hopefully he won't stray from Johnson's core thought with his own. Really? I hadn't heard that. I wonder why they're giving Johnson the "core" of the trilogy and the broad strokes of its finale. Seems like he's got a tad more autonomy than JJ (within the context of the shit hand Abrams dealt him) and WAY more than Colin.
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