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Post by darkpast on Apr 14, 2017 19:46:27 GMT
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 14, 2017 20:59:55 GMT
Which is funny because he worked in sanitation.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 14, 2017 21:18:44 GMT
Girlfriend my ass! Poe is all he needs!
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Post by Nightman on Apr 14, 2017 21:51:04 GMT
Girlfriend my ass! Poe is all he needs!
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Post by brownstones on Apr 14, 2017 22:09:02 GMT
"a bit racist wouldn't you say?" <-- this will set the internet ablaze.
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Post by Nightman on Apr 14, 2017 23:36:05 GMT
"a bit racist wouldn't you say?" <-- this will set the internet ablaze. Ten Galleons says at the end of the trilogy, Finn and his girlfriend will end up living on the bad part of Coruscant and using food stamps while Rey is a Jedi Master and Poe is an admiral.
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Post by darkpast on Apr 15, 2017 4:31:12 GMT
I wonder why Disney chose some random actress over Gugu
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Post by audiosane on Apr 15, 2017 22:18:33 GMT
Which is funny because he worked in sanitation. Maybe they can get together... and fix the broken toilet.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 14:05:53 GMT
I wonder why Disney chose some random actress over Gugu Check this link out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxWQw3i_gUs At the minute mark, Kelly Marie describes her character a bit. She says Rose works in maintenance, gets pulled into the journey (probably as a result of their base being attacked by the First Order) and doesn't see herself as a hero or someone who's cool. Now, who would fit the stereotype of an uncool non-hero character better, someone who looks like Kelly Marie or someone who looks like Gugu? I can imagine Rose being someone who has a personality along the lines of being cute, goofy, enthusiastic and nerdy. She might need damselling a bit given her background. Looks like Finn might get a match, more or less.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 14:21:38 GMT
I wonder why Disney chose some random actress over Gugu Check this link out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxWQw3i_gUs At the minute mark, Kelly Marie describes her character a bit. She says Rose works in maintenance, gets pulled into the journey (probably as a result of their base being attacked by the First Order) and doesn't see herself as a hero or someone who's cool. Now, who would fit the stereotype of an uncool non-hero character better, someone who looks like Kelly Marie or someone who looks like Gugu? I can imagine Rose being someone who has a personality along the lines of being cute, goofy, enthusiastic and nerdy. She might need damselling a bit given her background. Looks like Finn might get a match, more or less. Or someone to elevate him to a hero. He says he goes through his journey in this. That might be it. He stepped up in TFA, but everyone else was so much better and confident than he was. Having someone that he has to save and protect might be what he needs.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 15:30:57 GMT
Check this link out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxWQw3i_gUs At the minute mark, Kelly Marie describes her character a bit. She says Rose works in maintenance, gets pulled into the journey (probably as a result of their base being attacked by the First Order) and doesn't see herself as a hero or someone who's cool. Now, who would fit the stereotype of an uncool non-hero character better, someone who looks like Kelly Marie or someone who looks like Gugu? I can imagine Rose being someone who has a personality along the lines of being cute, goofy, enthusiastic and nerdy. She might need damselling a bit given her background. Looks like Finn might get a match, more or less. Or someone to elevate him to a hero. He says he goes through his journey in this. That might be it. He stepped up in TFA, but everyone else was so much better and confident than he was. Yeah. That's why I mentioned the damselling part. Finn's the soldier; Rose is the maintenance worker. Getting your ass kicked and needing to be saved the whole movie is not stepping up. Finn was treated like a bumbling comic relief sidekick, not a reasonable competent main character who sometimes achieved personal victories and heroic saves. It amazes me how people accept his poor and unprecedented treatment. Why? Because that worked out so well with Rey...? ^_- Oh, boy. I have a bad feeling about this... 0_o
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 18:41:09 GMT
Or someone to elevate him to a hero. He says he goes through his journey in this. That might be it. He stepped up in TFA, but everyone else was so much better and confident than he was. Yeah. That's why I mentioned the damselling part. Finn's the soldier; Rose is the maintenance worker. Getting your ass kicked and needing to be saved the whole movie is not stepping up. Finn was treated like a bumbling comic relief sidekick, not a reasonable competent main character who sometimes achieved personal victories and heroic saves. It amazes me how people accept his poor and unprecedented treatment. Why? Because that worked out so well with Rey...? ^_- Oh, boy. I have a bad feeling about this... 0_o What I mean is that Finn is Flight instead of Fight. What he might need is someone/thing that pushes him into Fight mode. We saw a little of that when he faced Kylo. Boyega did say that there is a change in Finn. Maybe it's him getting hurt, maybe it is Rose.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 19:09:20 GMT
Yeah. That's why I mentioned the damselling part. Finn's the soldier; Rose is the maintenance worker. Getting your ass kicked and needing to be saved the whole movie is not stepping up. Finn was treated like a bumbling comic relief sidekick, not a reasonable competent main character who sometimes achieved personal victories and heroic saves. It amazes me how people accept his poor and unprecedented treatment. Why? Because that worked out so well with Rey...? ^_- Oh, boy. I have a bad feeling about this... 0_o What I mean is that Finn is Flight instead of Fight. What he might need is someone/thing that pushes him into Fight mode. We saw a little of that when he faced Kylo. Boyega did say that there is a change in Finn. Maybe it's him getting hurt, maybe it is Rose. I disagree. Finn was only in flight mode for about half the film when he wanted to avoid the First Order at all costs. However, even during this time, he often went into fight mode when he attempted to save Rey and battle TR-8R one-on-one. The problem was, TFA absolutely refused to allow Finn a single opportunity to achieve a personal victory or look good saving someone. He was never respected as a main character in Star Wars. Let me show you: 1. He didn't want to shoot the innocent villagers. -> They died anyway. 2. He rescued Poe from the star destroyer. -> He only did it because he needed a pilot, which showed his lack of skill and selfishness. He also looked bad by acting all panicky instead of confident and heroic. 3. He thought Poe was in the crashed TIE Fighter, so he tried to rescue him. -> There was no one there to save. 4. He tried to rescue Rey from the thugs. -> His help wasn't necessary. 5. He tried leading Rey away from the stormtroopers. -> She nagged him for hand holding before outrunning him. 6. He tried leading Rey away from the air strike. -> She nagged him for hand holding again before the explosion knocked him out. Once he came to, he looked bad asking Rey if she was OK when clearly he was worse off. Rey looked at him with a "No shit" face. 7. He tried leading Rey away from the rathtar. -> He got captured instead and needed her to save him. 8. He tried defeating TR-8R with a lightsaber. -> He got knocked on his ass, looked helpless and needed Han to save him. 9. He tried to rescue Rey from Starkiller Base. -> No need. She had already freed herself and had the skills and intelligence to leave on her own if she really wanted to. 10. He tried saving Rey from Kylo Ren. -> At best, he only kept Kylo busy before being put in a coma. Rey then had to defeat Kylo herself before she saved him. Finn was repeatedly put into fight mode to save Rey, only to be thrown under the bus, one way or another, for her further empowerment. That's what her co-lead was there for. Same thing happened when they lied to us about Finn and the lightsaber in the marketing. Rey benefitted at his expense. Logically, someone like Finn would have no business fighting with a lightsaber. Look what happened to him. I don't know what change Finn will undergo, but someone with years of training as a soldier should've been far more competent in TFA rather than the sequel. No other main character in Star Wars ever had to wait to be treated with dignity and competency.
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Post by johnspartan on Apr 21, 2017 20:49:14 GMT
When TFA came out, the overzealous mods over at Theforce.net were issuing warnings to anyone calling Finn a janitor cuz dats da waycist to them.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 21:59:01 GMT
I disagree. Finn was only in flight mode for about half the film when he wanted to avoid the First Order at all costs. However, even during this time, he often went into fight mode when he attempted to save Rey and battle TR-8R one-on-one. The problem was, TFA absolutely refused to allow Finn a single opportunity to achieve a personal victory or look good saving someone. He was never respected as a main character in Star Wars. Let me show you: 1. He didn't want to shoot the innocent villagers. -> They died anyway. 2. He rescued Poe from the star destroyer. -> He only did it because he needed a pilot, which showed his lack of skill and selfishness. He also looked bad by acting all panicky instead of confident and heroic. 3. He thought Poe was in the crashed TIE Fighter, so he tried to rescue him. -> There was no one there to save. 4. He tried to rescue Rey from the thugs. -> His help wasn't necessary. 5. He tried leading Rey away from the stormtroopers. -> She nagged him for hand holding before outrunning him. 6. He tried leading Rey away from the air strike. -> She nagged him for hand holding again before the explosion knocked him out. Once he came to, he looked bad asking Rey if she was OK when clearly he was worse off. Rey looked at him with a "No shit" face. 7. He tried leading Rey away from the rathtar. -> He got captured instead and needed her to save him. 8. He tried defeating TR-8R with a lightsaber. -> He got knocked on his ass, looked helpless and needed Han to save him. 9. He tried to rescue Rey from Starkiller Base. -> No need. She had already freed herself and had the skills and intelligence to leave on her own if she really wanted to. 10. He tried saving Rey from Kylo Ren. -> At best, he only kept Kylo busy before being put in a coma. Rey then had to defeat Kylo herself before she saved him. Finn was repeatedly put into fight mode to save Rey, only to be thrown under the bus, one way or another, for her further empowerment. That's what her co-lead was there for. Same thing happened when they lied to us about Finn and the lightsaber in the marketing. Rey benefitted at his expense. Logically, someone like Finn would have no business fighting with a lightsaber. Look what happened to him. I don't know what change Finn will undergo, but someone with years of training as a soldier should've been far more competent in TFA rather than the sequel. No other main character in Star Wars ever had to wait to be treated with dignity and competency. So basically what you are saying is that he needed that something to put him in fight mode, but he never got it in TFA. Kinda like what I said. Finn was panicky throughout the movie because he was in flight mode the entire time. Even when he tried to do something heroic. Did Finn have years of training as a soldier? Even if he did, he's never been in a battle. He said that was his 1st time out and that he worked sanitation before that. He's basically the guy in a war movie that went for the cushy position, but was made to go fight. I was trying to figure out which character he was suppose to be (since it was a rehashing of the plot of A New Hope). I kept flipping through characters. That's when I realized TFA is like a theater troupe doing all the main characters with 3-4 people. Finn went through Han, C-3PO and Luke. Poe was Leia and Luke. Rey was Leia and Luke. I think that might be Finn's problem. That C-3PO keeps coming out of him. In all the movies, C-3PO was the only one that had that trait (and maybe Jar Jar). Even baby Anakin jumped into the fray without having to psyche himself up 1st.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 21, 2017 22:48:54 GMT
Did Finn have years of training as a soldier? Even if he did, he's never been in a battle. He said that was his 1st time out and that he worked sanitation before that. He's basically the guy in a war movie that went for the cushy position, but was made to go fight. Yet he shows that he WAS trained, as he's able to kill soldiers with the tie fighter, shoot turrets with the tie fighter, murder soldiers with a light sabre and fight with a light sabre. So inconsistent. Why was he so insistent on fighting his fellow brainwashed? Has qualms with killing innocents, but instead of showing empathy for the plight of the other soldiers, he just wants to kill them?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 21, 2017 23:54:23 GMT
Did Finn have years of training as a soldier?ย Even if he did, he's never been in a battle.ย He said that was his 1st time out and that he worked sanitation before that.ย He's basically the guy in a war movie that went for the cushy position, but was made to go fight. Yet he shows that he WAS trained, as he's able to kill soldiers with the tie fighter, shoot turrets with the tie fighter, murder soldiers with a light sabre and fight with a light sabre. So inconsistent. Why was he so insistent on fighting his fellow brainwashed? Has qualms with killing innocents, but instead of showing empathy for the plight of the other soldiers, he just wants to kill them? It wouldn't have been so bad if the inconsistencies were just here or there, but they're everywhere. The one consistent thing about TFA is character inconsistency! I suppose if you love this movie and it's characters you just ignore it or make excuses for it. The popular excuse being mystery box and inner conflict. That's the excuse duct tape for TFA. But I found these characters to be just contrived and forced to fit whatever the story and filmmaker wanted in any given moment without any logic or integrity. It reminded me of a SW version of that Arnold Schwarzenegger movie 'The Last Action Hero' where every characters action was always dictated by their character archetype. And they had no free will that followed the logic of the story or the character's inner motives. Come to think of it..... TFA is the Last Action Hero version of SW!
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Post by Nightman on Apr 21, 2017 23:56:23 GMT
Did Finn have years of training as a soldier? Even if he did, he's never been in a battle. He said that was his 1st time out and that he worked sanitation before that. He's basically the guy in a war movie that went for the cushy position, but was made to go fight. Yet he shows that he WAS trained, as he's able to kill soldiers with the tie fighter, shoot turrets with the tie fighter, murder soldiers with a light sabre and fight with a light sabre. So inconsistent. Why was he so insistent on fighting his fellow brainwashed? Has qualms with killing innocents, but instead of showing empathy for the plight of the other soldiers, he just wants to kill them? I'm not entirely sure Finn should be taken literally when he said he worked in "sanitation." Seriously, have the Stormtroopers have been shown physically cleaning anything? That's stuff cleaning droids do. I think "sanitation" is code for something more unpleasant he didn't want to admit to his new friends, probably going through after the fighting is done and takes care of the area. When he said this was the first time out, I believe this was the first time he was out during the fight and not just the cleanup afterwards. He definitely ain't being completely honest with his friends. I bet Finn is Force-sensitive, and has had some lightsaber training. That one other Stormtrooper had a lightsaber repelling stick of some type, so at least some of the Stormtroopers have had lessons. I don't see Snoke getting his pretty hands dirty training Stormtroopers himself, so Kylo probably did it. There's no way in hell Kylo is a good teacher, so that explains why Finn isn't better at it (that, and using dark Force isn't pleasant, and it probably scared him away from the Force altogether after he snapped awake in the beginning). I understand why Finn hasn't told anyone this. Telling Han that his son has been training him in dueling and dabbling in the dark side of the Force wouldn't exactly endear them to him. I don't see this getting resolved any time soon, because Finn will be sure to keep as much space between himself and the First Order as possible.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 22, 2017 0:02:29 GMT
Yet he shows that he WAS trained, as he's able to kill soldiers with the tie fighter, shoot turrets with the tie fighter, murder soldiers with a light sabre and fight with a light sabre. So inconsistent. Why was he so insistent on fighting his fellow brainwashed? Has qualms with killing innocents, but instead of showing empathy for the plight of the other soldiers, he just wants to kill them? I'm not entirely sure Finn should be taken literally when he said he worked in "sanitation." Seriously, have the Stormtroopers have been shown physically cleaning anything? That's stuff cleaning droids do. I think "sanitation" is code for something more unpleasant he didn't want to admit to his new friends, probably going through after the fighting is done and takes care of the area. When he said this was the first time out, I believe this was the first time he was out during the fight and not just the cleanup afterwards. He definitely ain't being completely honest with his friends. I bet Finn is Force-sensitive, and has had some lightsaber training. That one other Stormtrooper had a lightsaber repelling stick of some type, so at least some of the Stormtroopers have had lessons. I don't see Snoke getting his pretty hands dirty training Stormtroopers himself, so Kylo probably did it. There's no way in hell Kylo is a good teacher, so that explains why Finn isn't better at it (that, and using dark Force isn't pleasant, and it probably scared him away from the Force altogether after he snapped awake in the beginning). I understand why Finn hasn't told anyone this. Telling Han that his son has been training him in dueling and dabbling in the dark side of the Force wouldn't exactly endear them to him. I don't see this getting resolved any time soon, because Finn will be sure to keep as much space between himself and the First Order as possible. Wow!! That's an interesting theory and a whole lot to assume! I guess we'll see if it's true.
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Post by Nightman on Apr 22, 2017 0:12:43 GMT
I'm not entirely sure Finn should be taken literally when he said he worked in "sanitation." Seriously, have the Stormtroopers have been shown physically cleaning anything? That's stuff cleaning droids do. I think "sanitation" is code for something more unpleasant he didn't want to admit to his new friends, probably going through after the fighting is done and takes care of the area. When he said this was the first time out, I believe this was the first time he was out during the fight and not just the cleanup afterwards. He definitely ain't being completely honest with his friends. I bet Finn is Force-sensitive, and has had some lightsaber training. That one other Stormtrooper had a lightsaber repelling stick of some type, so at least some of the Stormtroopers have had lessons. I don't see Snoke getting his pretty hands dirty training Stormtroopers himself, so Kylo probably did it. There's no way in hell Kylo is a good teacher, so that explains why Finn isn't better at it (that, and using dark Force isn't pleasant, and it probably scared him away from the Force altogether after he snapped awake in the beginning). I understand why Finn hasn't told anyone this. Telling Han that his son has been training him in dueling and dabbling in the dark side of the Force wouldn't exactly endear them to him. I don't see this getting resolved any time soon, because Finn will be sure to keep as much space between himself and the First Order as possible. Wow!! That's an interesting theory and a whole lot to assume! I guess we'll see if it's true. I'm probably wrong and thought more about Finn than the people writing it. They'll probably wave everything away and say he's the only non-droid janitor in the galaxy, but oh no, they're not racist.
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