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Post by fatpaul on Sept 16, 2019 0:10:09 GMT
Why is the world so imperfect?? Because there are no such thing as deities. I wish all questions were easy to answer like this.
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Post by goz on Sept 16, 2019 1:21:24 GMT
Toasted Cheese It's just simply the truth. your either for Jesus Christ or against Him at the end of the day. but many in today's immoral world hate the truth. because what I said there is bold is true as those who ultimately reject God end up in hell and are evil people, those who don't end up in Heaven and are good people. it's pretty basic stuff. This is one of the easiest posts I have ever had to write. It is simply not the truth, there is no God and no Jesus Christ and no heaven and hell. It is just that simple, with those things made up for ancient simple people and those who despite modern knowledge, still believe those fallacies... BTW you are welcome to you 'beliefs' as long as you don't claim them for a universal 'truth'.
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Post by goz on Sept 16, 2019 1:48:02 GMT
That is a God apologist's rather poor reason for the nonsense fallacy of 'free will', which is used to explain this very problem. In the Garden of Eden, he somehow and for some reason decided that man and woman (representing all future humans) had to fall and fail, so he set them up to fail, which is the reason, allegedly why creation was not perfect. One would have to wonder why. NOT God's fault...it was those pesky humans he created and we have been punished ever since. What a load of bollocks Free will isn't a fallacy unless you're an idiot. Are you an idiot? Man did not have to fail. He just chose to do so. It happens all the time, but it doesn't happen every time. I was referring to the concept of 'free will' in the Bible meaning that sham in the Garden of Eden. In the story, God set up man to fail...he is after all fucking GOD! For this story to have any relevance to religion and man's future behaviour is absolutely ludicrous. Humans have free will all the time and it has nothing to do with man's idea of a mythical God which is just ( as I said) an apologists view when the whole thing actually doesn't make sense. If you believe that shit then the relevant question for you to ask is Why did a loving God bother to create man and then create him as an alleged failure forevermore?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 16, 2019 9:58:31 GMT
FilmFlaneur Choice is not a state of perfection or imperfection It was your purported god's choice to make an imperfect world. And He supposedly exists in state of perfection. I am quite happy to think think morality is not absolute. Kiddyfiddling clergymen obvious think so, for instance. If you believe that too then we can agree and just move on. But we are. In any case how do you know the standard for everything if it is 'according to perspective'? Do you know every perspective? Yes; very good is not completely good or perfect. Which is why morality might be seen as the same and why I raised the issue as interesting.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 16, 2019 10:23:13 GMT
Religions exists across the entire planet and they are chosen even if the choose the one that is the majority. The real answer is religions are popular on the basis of people liking to be a part of them Christianity didn't begin in the Americas and they are splintered to the point that only a moron would think it's some kind of hive mentality and especially when there are so many other varieties of religions theophobiacs stupidly ignore, including their own atheism, to pretend a silly meme is true. You clearly don`t understand the point of the meme. Something about the Tower of Babel, I'm sure.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 16, 2019 14:15:47 GMT
So two people made mistakes and God punishes every descendent for the sins of their fathers? Sounds like we're sinful by nature instead of by choice... Can't God give us the same opportunity he gave to Adam and Eve and let out actions determine our fate instead of our birth? Yes, any judge that decided a lawbreaker's unborn ancestors shall also be punished for his offense would be regarded as insane. And yet Christians give God a pass on this because if the Bible says that God is just, then it must be right.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 16, 2019 15:01:35 GMT
So two people made mistakes and God punishes every descendent for the sins of their fathers? Sounds like we're sinful by nature instead of by choice... Can't God give us the same opportunity he gave to Adam and Eve and let out actions determine our fate instead of our birth? Yes, any judge that decided a lawbreaker's unborn ancestors shall also be punished for his offense would be regarded as insane. And yet Christians give God a pass on this because if the Bible says that God is just, then it must be right. weird analogy. |
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Post by Isapop on Sept 16, 2019 15:58:01 GMT
Yes, any judge that decided a lawbreaker's unborn ancestors shall also be punished for his offense would be regarded as insane. And yet Christians give God a pass on this because if the Bible says that God is just, then it must be right. weird analogy. But you conspicuously make no attempt to explain how it isn't fitting.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 16, 2019 17:41:08 GMT
Because he is the panel judge who judges what is perfect. He's the "America's Got Talent" only panel judge and so he says he's perfect.
That said, the prince of this world is definitely not perfect, and about as dull, unimpressive, unimaginative, uninspired, uninspiring, and without strategy as one could be. This world is a flop. This Universe is a flop. The laws of Physics are flops, and "ahem", I could have done better on my worst day. Of course I'm a dualist and Gnostic Christian. I don't believe the good God kills a thousand people in a disaster to save one spokesman. I don't believe the good God creates a human being with a soul and spirit to experience a deformed body just to make others feel good. Those are ridiculous fundamental beliefs based totally on Satanic convenience.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 16, 2019 17:48:07 GMT
You clearly don`t understand the point of the meme. Here’s the thing, as many Evangelical Christians in the US think, most white folk are Christian for a reason. That reason being “obviously,” they think, God favors white nations because their white ancestors rightly chose white Christianity. And this notion was not invented in America. the problem is that Christianity is not based on what white evangelicals think and the meme is too dumb to parcel things out. I wish people would stop using stats as if the data by itself actually reveals a meaning behind the numbers that matches up to the assumption. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 16, 2019 17:52:37 GMT
But you conspicuously make no attempt to explain how it isn't fitting. it pretends as if kids are supposed to be the superior of their parents rather than a combination of them. The thing that gave them perfection was gone and yet for some reason they are still supposed to be able to pass it on to their children as if God is somehow actively putting a block on each conception rather than there being a biological and genetic reason. After all there was a reason Jesus had to be born the way that he was or else Hid cooks have just let perfect sperm through when Mary was boinked by Joseph. Now the reason I don’t tend to type all this usually is because you will likely ignore it, expect me to respond to the same argument with a different answer, accuse me of some kind of deception, and then change the subject which is routinely in the form of what you think my beliefs should be. Let’s see how many of those I get right!😊 |
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Post by Isapop on Sept 16, 2019 18:36:02 GMT
But you conspicuously make no attempt to explain how it isn't fitting. it pretends as if kids are supposed to be the superior of their parents rather than a combination of them. It does no such thing. It asserts what everyone understands in every other context: that it's unjust to punish children for the crime of the parent. And this is the heart of your nonsense. Who is it that decreed the laws of biology and genetics if not God? You speak as if God had no say in whether sin, along with its punishment of death, would be a heritable trait, such as eye color, or a non-heritable trait, such as memory. Instead of God giving A&E's offspring the same opportunity he gave their parents, God chose to make sin an inherited trait, thus willfully passing on punishment before there was any guilt.And there's the irrefutable evidence that sin doesn't have to be heritable if God says so.
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Post by lunda2222 on Sept 17, 2019 0:52:43 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 17, 2019 11:30:27 GMT
the problem is that Christianity is not based on what white evangelicals think and the meme is too dumb to parcel things out. I wish people would stop using stats as if the data by itself actually reveals a meaning behind the numbers that matches up to the assumption.
The perception of religion belongs to the people who believe it. As such, there are many versions of Christianity depending on the believer. Posting the stats meme does nothing to convince some people they are Christian because they were born in a particular place. Some Evangelicals believe they, because of who their parents and ancestors are/were, were destined to be born in a Christian nation. And Evangelicals adhere to a Believer’s Baptism. They are not really Christians until they declare publicly their belief in Christ’s salvation. There’s no randomness to it, as they view it. This type of thinking isn’t limited to Christianity. While possibly true, the meme is not based on what they think, but on what the meme creator and the people who pass it along think. The people who think evangelical teaching overall is nation based are wrong although patriotism can certainly muddle the waters. Everyone gets caught up in that though including atheists.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 17, 2019 11:37:55 GMT
IsapopThey aren't being punished for the living the exact same life as everyone else - a life that can be filled with plenty of happiness to boot and the potential for eternal life if they can live up to it. That isn't true. He made very clear what sin constituted death. You seem to speak as if god, like some kind of stork delivering babies one at a time, is magically touching each child with his perfect essence rather than just accepting the far more common principle of inherited traits. I get that you are whining about it not being fair, but if they wanted their kids to be perfect they should have had them before they sinned. Yes, if he inserts himself into the situation as he did with Jesus. No one said perfection was not the dominant gene, it's just no man had the perfect gene without that direct, miraculous intervention. But please keep helping me prove my point until all that is left is you basically saying "Wah, everyone should be perfect because I say so!"
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 17, 2019 12:23:08 GMT
Isapop They aren't being punished for the living the exact same life as everyone else - a life that can be filled with plenty of happiness to boot and the potential for eternal life if they can live up to it. That isn't true. He made very clear what sin constituted death. You seem to speak as if god, like some kind of stork delivering babies one at a time, is magically touching each child with his perfect essence rather than just accepting the far more common principle of inherited traits. I get that you are whining about it not being fair, but if they wanted their kids to be perfect they should have had them before they sinned. Yes, if he inserts himself into the situation as he did with Jesus. No one said perfection was not the dominant gene, it's just no man had the perfect gene without that direct, miraculous intervention. But please keep helping me prove my point until all that is left is you basically saying "Wah, everyone should be perfect because I say so!" For someone who prides himself on not revealing what he believes you seem to be saying an awful lot. Earlier in this thread you told me perfection is just 'a standard from a particular perspective'. So from a biological perspective can we really say morality stems from our genes, that a propensity for divorce as well as hair colour descends this way? And, even if we ignore the nature v nuture debate, isn't the idea a little deterministic for one with supposed free will? Or are we still treating this as fiction?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 17, 2019 13:20:25 GMT
Isapop They aren't being punished for the living the exact same life as everyone else - a life that can be filled with plenty of happiness to boot and the potential for eternal life if they can live up to it. That isn't true. He made very clear what sin constituted death. You seem to speak as if god, like some kind of stork delivering babies one at a time, is magically touching each child with his perfect essence rather than just accepting the far more common principle of inherited traits. I get that you are whining about it not being fair, but if they wanted their kids to be perfect they should have had them before they sinned. Yes, if he inserts himself into the situation as he did with Jesus. No one said perfection was not the dominant gene, it's just no man had the perfect gene without that direct, miraculous intervention. But please keep helping me prove my point until all that is left is you basically saying "Wah, everyone should be perfect because I say so!" For someone who prides himself on not revealing what he believes you seem to be saying an awful lot. Earlier in this thread you told me perfection is just 'a standard from a particular perspective'. And since when is morality a biological trait stemming from our genes? Isn't that a little deterministic for one with supposed free will? Or are we still treating this as fiction? everyrhing I said is based on what the Bible mentions. You just still remain confused on how to discuss literature and whether one is allowed to agree with the philosophy of it. You would be questioning my faith in the Hunger Games if this is evidence of faith. That said, let’s nit pretend I’ve never said I’m Christians which comes with beliefs in God and Bible teachings. You just may not understand it enough to grasp what my beliefs are which isn’t my probkem. It’s just not worth digging in the weeds if that when you can’t even understand it as literature. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 17, 2019 13:34:17 GMT
everyrhing** I said is based on what the Bible mentions. The Bible mentions a lot of things. It would probably be inadvisable to carry a lot forward to today. Even the ancients realised that when they dumped the need to obey many of the old laws, since they were then writing for a wider audience. It was not so much the philosophy of it than the logic in this instance. Much discussion of literature is based around internal consistency and coherence of the text for instance. And not all fiction has a philosophy that one might agree with. It is just as reasonable to question faith as it is to assert it, since the evidence is the same. Your spelling, however, might be though ... I understand it can be taken as literature, thanks. But I don't understand why you didn't answer my other questions on the peculiar perspective on genes** (which are not mentioned in the bible).
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Post by Caesium137 on Sept 17, 2019 14:28:42 GMT
Beside the fact he creating me. Why is the world so imperfect?? It's his own damn creation to begin with. From a Dharmic perspective (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc), the world is a material illusion which appears real hence all the ''imperfect'' extensions that come along with it like disease, war, famine, crime, etc. To the one who is enlightened and breaks free from this illusory existence by achieving self-realization/nirvana, that person recognizes that material physics can have no harmful affects on their true Self (the soul).
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Post by Stammerhead on Sept 17, 2019 18:55:54 GMT
Poor script writing.
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