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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 20, 2019 14:25:53 GMT
I certainly don’t think that only people born in a country should be allowed to represent that country in international sports. I know that there are many cases of (football) players who move to a foreign club, stay for many years, integrate, maybe marry a local woman and have children with her, and probably even decide to settle there after their professional playing days are over. Those, I consider perfectly legitimate naturalisations. But I also know that there are cases that are nothing like that – players who are offered citizenship just so that they can join the national team, even though they have no deep link to their new country. They accept it because it’s their only chance to play in the international stage, but everyone knows it’s completely bogus. In the case of these foreign-born players in the Japanese Rugby squad, I really don’t know – but considering how stingy Japan is with their citizenship, I find it very suspicious that a third of their squad is made up of foreigners. I am not sure Japan would have given them citizenship if they worked as, I don’t know, software engineers instead of professional Rugby players. You're confusing citizenship with sporting regulations. They have been residents for 3 years in Japan. That means they can play rugby for the national team. There are plenty of other examples in the tournament: Manu Tuilagi (England) Bundee Aki (Ireland) CJ Stander (Ireland) Hadleigh Parkes (Wales) Blade Thomson (Scotland) If a 1 year old baby from Wales moves to Scotland and gets picked to play for Scotland at age 28 is that ok? How many years should a person live in a country before it's ok to play for their national team?
Are the eligibility rules for international Rugby different from FIFA’s or the IOC’s? In football and in the Olympic games, only citizens are eligible to join a national team. The Brazilian-born Eduardo had to take Croatian citizenship in order to be allowed to play for Croatia – having lived in Croatia and played professionally for a Croatian club for years was certainly not enough. If Rugby has different rules, forget I said anything.
I have no problem with including foreign-born players who are eligible because of a legitimate naturalisation process. I don’t have a big problem with including one or two foreign-born players whose naturalisation is a bit iffy – but for Japan (a country that most definitely does NOT give citizenship out like candy) to field so many foreigners (more than a third of the squad), that I think is too much. In my opinion it goes against the spirit of the rules for international sports competitions, if not the letter.
Wales and Scotland is a different matter because there is no such thing as Welsh or Scottish citizenship. They are all citizens of the UK. Not sure what the eligibility rules are.
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Post by nostromo on Sept 20, 2019 14:52:01 GMT
You're confusing citizenship with sporting regulations. They have been residents for 3 years in Japan. That means they can play rugby for the national team. There are plenty of other examples in the tournament: Manu Tuilagi (England) Bundee Aki (Ireland) CJ Stander (Ireland) Hadleigh Parkes (Wales) Blade Thomson (Scotland) If a 1 year old baby from Wales moves to Scotland and gets picked to play for Scotland at age 28 is that ok? How many years should a person live in a country before it's ok to play for their national team?
Are the eligibility rules for international Rugby different from FIFA’s or the IOC’s? In football and in the Olympic games, only citizens are eligible to join a national team. The Brazilian-born Eduardo had to take Croatian citizenship in order to be allowed to play for Croatia – having lived in Croatia and played professionally for a Croatian club for years was certainly not enough. If Rugby has different rules, forget I said anything.
I have no problem with including foreign-born players who are eligible because of a legitimate naturalisation process. I don’t have a big problem with including one or two foreign-born players whose naturalisation is a bit iffy – but for Japan (a country that most definitely does NOT give citizenship out like candy) to field so many foreigners (more than a third of the squad), that I think is too much. In my opinion it goes against the spirit of the rules for international sports competitions, if not the letter.
Wales and Scotland is a different matter because there is no such thing as Welsh or Scottish citizenship. They are all citizens of the UK. Not sure what the eligibility rules are.
Yes, they are different. You only have to have been a resident of the country for 3 years to play internationally. I'm Welsh. I live in Wales. I couldn't play for Scotland, as I have no scottish ancestry or have ever lived there. But if I moved to Edinburgh, then 3 years later I could play for Scotland. I think actually Blade Thomson has a grandparent who is Scottish so you can qualify via that route too. Like Jake Ball did for Wales. He'd never even been to Wales before, but was eligible as soon as he arrived.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 21, 2019 13:52:59 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 21, 2019 13:54:24 GMT
Today's results:
Aus 39 Fiji 21 Fra 23 Arg 21 NZ 23 SA 13
No surprises so far then.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 22, 2019 7:20:11 GMT
Italy beat.Namibia 47-22. Ireland v Scotland is next, but I've gotta work. I'll catch the replay tomoz.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 22, 2019 8:42:35 GMT
That is terrible. I remember Brazil passed a law years ago forcing whatever TV station that bought the rights for the FIFA World Cup to air it on open TV.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 22, 2019 8:52:03 GMT
Ireland 17 Scotland 3 H/T
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 22, 2019 9:50:01 GMT
Ire 27 Sco 3 f/t
Poor.
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Post by weststigersbob on Sept 22, 2019 10:17:21 GMT
Ireland showed why they are currently ranked No1 with an impressive performance against a disappointing Scotland. Where was the Scotland side that shoved it up Australia a couple of years ago ? Italy v Namibia was a good game. I like it when the refs don’t get over pedantic in the breakdown when “lesser” nations play. Both sides are probably committing infringements, so let it go.
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Post by weststigersbob on Sept 22, 2019 10:19:14 GMT
England should be looking at a 50+ point win here.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 22, 2019 12:33:32 GMT
England should be looking at a 50+ point win here. They sort of went through the motions, like getting the bonus try point was a job well done. They will have to do better for sure.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 22, 2019 12:37:12 GMT
Nobody watch the France/Argentina game? It was the best and worst of the French, graceful and free flowing one half, mugs in the second! Pumas unlucky I thought, shame Boffeli couldn't quite get the kick over at the end.
Two things England should hopefully note, one is that you rule the French out at your peril, the other is Argentina will put up one hell of a fight.
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Post by weststigersbob on Sept 22, 2019 12:53:28 GMT
Nobody watch the France/Argentina game? It was the best and worst of the French, graceful and free flowing one half, mugs in the second! Pumas unlucky I thought, shame Boffeli couldn't quite get the kick over at the end. Two things England should hopefully note, one is that you rule the French out at your peril, the other is Argentina will put up one hell of a fight. Yeah, if I were either of those teams I’d fancy my chances against England for sure. England did what they traditionally do well - set piece and kicking. But they lacked a real sense of purpose with ball in hand. Almost all of their attack came from Tongan mistakes or poor kicks. France and especially Argentina aren’t going to give England those leg ups.
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Post by TheSowIsMine on Sept 22, 2019 13:40:57 GMT
This is my first time really watching a rugby tournament(I watched a final here and there). Im still getting to know the rules, but Im really enjoying it.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 25, 2019 6:03:21 GMT
Uruguay have been a lot of fun to watch in the first half against Fiji. Leading 24-12. A really good running try down the wing. The Coconut Trees have been pretty poor, but you could easily mistake Uruguay for their latin neighbours argentina so far.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 25, 2019 7:47:26 GMT
And Uruguay hold on to win 30-27. Really slow uninspiring stuff from Fiji, but Uruguay were impressive in the first half.
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Post by weststigersbob on Sept 25, 2019 7:48:41 GMT
Uruguay have been a lot of fun to watch in the first half against Fiji. Leading 24-12. A really good running try down the wing. The Coconut Trees have been pretty poor, but you could easily mistake Uruguay for their latin neighbours argentina so far. And Uruguay held on to win 30-27 ! and of course, I missed the lot and didn’t record it because I’m at work. Big upset, but not quite Japan beating South Africa.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 26, 2019 11:16:17 GMT
Italy win a pretty boring game with Canada 36-0. Yanks are absorbing a lot against England and deserve some credit even though England haven't been impressive at all. 7-0 poms about 20 in.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 26, 2019 11:19:27 GMT
Fucking hell, the US scrum is atrocious. The entire back row just disappears as soon as the push comes. Maybe someone should tell them the QB is still in the pocket.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 26, 2019 12:45:29 GMT
I was cheering so hard for the US to get in at the end...and they did. England dominate the second hakf to win 45-7.
Scotland will be fine. You can't write them off for one out of character performance against a very good team.
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