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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 19, 2019 15:35:18 GMT
after homosexuals win the current holy war
after homosexuals
win the current holy war
with
american christians
we're going
to be so busy sacrificing their children
to satan
that i'm not at all
certain
we'll ever get around to negotiating
a contract
for the exclusive right
to have
them line up
and kiss our collective asses.
sjw 09/19/19 inspired at this very moment in time by those ever irrepressible christians here in the land of the freak and the home of the slave.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by politicidal on Sept 21, 2019 1:22:12 GMT
K.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 21, 2019 3:56:54 GMT
Fleetsin:
for you honey.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 21, 2019 7:47:54 GMT
And now for some real poetry from a real poet.
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Post by goz on Sept 21, 2019 8:46:43 GMT
Sadly, homosexuals lost the war when we let them shackle us into marriage and they duped us in to adopting their kids. I thought it was a choice, and some homosexual men even chose to father their genetic children.
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 21, 2019 10:56:12 GMT
after homosexuals win the current holy war after homosexuals win the current holy war with american christians we're going to be so busy sacrificing their children to satan that i'm not at all certain we'll ever get around to negotiating a contract for the exclusive right to have them line up and kiss our collective asses. sjw 09/19/19 inspired at this very moment in time by those ever irrepressible christians here in the land of the freak and the home of the slave. from the 'blasphemy series' of poems **trigger warning** { i will preface the necessary remarks with the fact that i am not "homophobic". i'm sure it seems to be working for you. a number of my friends are or were. i'm not even curious }.
Your battle is with God.
- not with people trying to help you understand what God says about it. a bit of context may help in the
proper understanding of scripture. [ for those who would like to learn something & follow along - Genesis 18:1 - 19:29 ].
i'll give you the gist. God is establishing His covenant with Abraham. 3 men visit him. they tell Abraham God has sent them
"because the outcry against sodom and gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, I will go down now and see
whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to me; and if not I will know". Gen 18:20,21
so Abraham bargains with God, asks about saving the city if there are 50 righteous in the cities, 45, 40, 35...down to 10. ( Lot, Abraham's friend was in sodom ).
now Lot was sitting at the gate of sodom. he welcomes 2 strangers and Insists they stay with him at His house. Gen 19:1,2
"now before they lay down, the men of sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, "where are the men who came to you tonight ?
Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally". Gen 19:4,5
Lot steps outside and shuts the door behind him. he says "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly". Gen 19:7
the mob says "we will deal worse with you than with them" and tried to break the door down. the angels grab Lot and pull him inside. "And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door". Gen 19: 9-11
the angels tell Lot to get "whomever you have in the city- take them out of this place, for we will destroy this place,
because the outcry against them has grown great before the face of the Lord, and the Lord has sent us to destroy it". Gen 19: 12,13
in the morning, the angels help Lot and the others escape the destruction of the cities, told them not to look back.
" then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on sodom and gomorrah., from the Lord out of the heavens, so He overthrew those cities,
all the plain, all the inhabitants of those cities". Gen 19:24,25 Lot's wife looked back & turned to a pillar of salt. 26
you mentioned child sacrifice. may nations around then were Evil. - the land of canaan was rife with Idolatry -
they burned their children alive to demons.
God also destroyed this evil from among them.
Jesus said , speaking of any one who would harm the little ones, " it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around
his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea". Matt 18:6
you decide for yourself what fate you choose.
God speaks Very clearly for Himself.
some things are just not funny. this sin can be repented of
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 21, 2019 16:27:41 GMT
after homosexuals win the current holy war after homosexuals win the current holy war with american christians we're going to be so busy sacrificing their children to satan that i'm not at all certain we'll ever get around to negotiating a contract for the exclusive right to have them line up and kiss our collective asses. sjw 09/19/19 inspired at this very moment in time by those ever irrepressible christians here in the land of the freak and the home of the slave. from the 'blasphemy series' of poems **trigger warning** { i will preface the necessary remarks with the fact that i am not "homophobic". i'm sure it seems to be working for you. a number of my friends are or were. i'm not even curious }.
Your battle is with God.
- not with people trying to help you understand what God says about it. a bit of context may help in the
proper understanding of scripture. [ for those who would like to learn something & follow along - Genesis 18:1 - 19:29 ].
i'll give you the gist. God is establishing His covenant with Abraham. 3 men visit him. they tell Abraham God has sent them
"because the outcry against sodom and gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, I will go down now and see
whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to me; and if not I will know". Gen 18:20,21
so Abraham bargains with God, asks about saving the city if there are 50 righteous in the cities, 45, 40, 35...down to 10. ( Lot, Abraham's friend was in sodom ).
now Lot was sitting at the gate of sodom. he welcomes 2 strangers and Insists they stay with him at His house. Gen 19:1,2
"now before they lay down, the men of sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, "where are the men who came to you tonight ?
Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally". Gen 19:4,5
Lot steps outside and shuts the door behind him. he says "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly". Gen 19:7
the mob says "we will deal worse with you than with them" and tried to break the door down. the angels grab Lot and pull him inside. "And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door". Gen 19: 9-11
the angels tell Lot to get "whomever you have in the city- take them out of this place, for we will destroy this place,
because the outcry against them has grown great before the face of the Lord, and the Lord has sent us to destroy it". Gen 19: 12,13
in the morning, the angels help Lot and the others escape the destruction of the cities, told them not to look back.
" then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on sodom and gomorrah., from the Lord out of the heavens, so He overthrew those cities,
all the plain, all the inhabitants of those cities". Gen 19:24,25 Lot's wife looked back & turned to a pillar of salt. 26
you mentioned child sacrifice. may nations around then were Evil. - the land of canaan was rife with Idolatry -
they burned their children alive to demons.
God also destroyed this evil from among them.
Jesus said , speaking of any one who would harm the little ones, " it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around
his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea". Matt 18:6
you decide for yourself what fate you choose.
God speaks Very clearly for Himself.
some things are just not funny. this sin can be repented of
gear up. the war is on.
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Post by goz on Sept 21, 2019 21:22:52 GMT
I thought it was a choice, and some homosexual men even chose to father their genetic children. Goz, you know even for heterosexuals there is a societal expectation of marriage. I got it myself from my family before they knew I was gay. The purpose of gay marriage is to monogamize homosexuals and stop promiscuity among gay males. LGBT groups don't even hide that fact. And no one said anything about genetic fathers not doing their responsibility. I'm talking about silly gay men adopting children and taking them from their mothers. My ONLY point is that now homosexuals of all 'stripes' and opinions now have choices whether to marry and have a family. If is it not for you, fair enough, however you can't and shouldn't speak for them all. I would also remind you that 'silly gay men adopting children' have few options if they wish to be parents ( obviously unlike you who has no such desire.
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Post by goz on Sept 21, 2019 21:28:40 GMT
after homosexuals win the current holy war after homosexuals win the current holy war with american christians we're going to be so busy sacrificing their children to satan that i'm not at all certain we'll ever get around to negotiating a contract for the exclusive right to have them line up and kiss our collective asses. sjw 09/19/19 inspired at this very moment in time by those ever irrepressible christians here in the land of the freak and the home of the slave. from the 'blasphemy series' of poems **trigger warning** { i will preface the necessary remarks with the fact that i am not "homophobic". i'm sure it seems to be working for you. a number of my friends are or were. i'm not even }.
Your battle is with God.
- not with people trying to help you understand what God says about it. a bit of context may help in the
proper understanding of scripture. [ for those who would like to learn something & follow along - Genesis 18:1 - 19:29 ].
i'll give you the gist. God is establishing His covenant with Abraham. 3 men visit him. they tell Abraham God has sent them
"because the outcry against sodom and gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, I will go down now and see
whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to me; and if not I will know". Gen 18:20,21
so Abraham bargains with God, asks about saving the city if there are 50 righteous in the cities, 45, 40, 35...down to 10. ( Lot, Abraham's friend was in sodom ).
now Lot was sitting at the gate of sodom. he welcomes 2 strangers and Insists they stay with him at His house. Gen 19:1,2
"now before they lay down, the men of sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, "where are the men who came to you tonight ?
Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally". Gen 19:4,5
Lot steps outside and shuts the door behind him. he says "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly". Gen 19:7
the mob says "we will deal worse with you than with them" and tried to break the door down. the angels grab Lot and pull him inside. "And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door". Gen 19: 9-11
the angels tell Lot to get "whomever you have in the city- take them out of this place, for we will destroy this place,
because the outcry against them has grown great before the face of the Lord, and the Lord has sent us to destroy it". Gen 19: 12,13
in the morning, the angels help Lot and the others escape the destruction of the cities, told them not to look back.
" then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on sodom and gomorrah., from the Lord out of the heavens, so He overthrew those cities,
all the plain, all the inhabitants of those cities". Gen 19:24,25 Lot's wife looked back & turned to a pillar of salt. 26
you mentioned child sacrifice. may nations around then were Evil. - the land of canaan was rife with Idolatry -
they burned their children alive to demons.
God also destroyed this evil from among them.
Jesus said , speaking of any one who would harm the little ones, " it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around
his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea". Matt 18:6
you decide for yourself what fate you choose.
God speaks Very clearly for Himself.
some things are just not funny. this sin can be repented of
I have three things to say to you. 1. I find your posts arrogant ( in style and presentation), uninformed and pathetically brainwashed. 2. You are welcome to your views however you must expect some logical opposition to them on here. 3. See the bolded part about homosexuals. ANY of your friends or acquaintance who were homosexuals ARE STILL NOW homosexuals as they are born and not made and hence not 'sinful' even in your blinkered view.
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 23, 2019 10:21:38 GMT
**trigger warning** { i will preface the necessary remarks with the fact that i am not "homophobic". i'm sure it seems to be working for you. a number of my friends are or were. i'm not even }.
Your battle is with God.
- not with people trying to help you understand what God says about it. a bit of context may help in the
proper understanding of scripture. [ for those who would like to learn something & follow along - Genesis 18:1 - 19:29 ].
i'll give you the gist. God is establishing His covenant with Abraham. 3 men visit him. they tell Abraham God has sent them
"because the outcry against sodom and gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, I will go down now and see
whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to me; and if not I will know". Gen 18:20,21
so Abraham bargains with God, asks about saving the city if there are 50 righteous in the cities, 45, 40, 35...down to 10. ( Lot, Abraham's friend was in sodom ).
now Lot was sitting at the gate of sodom. he welcomes 2 strangers and Insists they stay with him at His house. Gen 19:1,2
"now before they lay down, the men of sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, "where are the men who came to you tonight ?
Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally". Gen 19:4,5
Lot steps outside and shuts the door behind him. he says "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly". Gen 19:7
the mob says "we will deal worse with you than with them" and tried to break the door down. the angels grab Lot and pull him inside. "And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door". Gen 19: 9-11
the angels tell Lot to get "whomever you have in the city- take them out of this place, for we will destroy this place,
because the outcry against them has grown great before the face of the Lord, and the Lord has sent us to destroy it". Gen 19: 12,13
in the morning, the angels help Lot and the others escape the destruction of the cities, told them not to look back.
" then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on sodom and gomorrah., from the Lord out of the heavens, so He overthrew those cities,
all the plain, all the inhabitants of those cities". Gen 19:24,25 Lot's wife looked back & turned to a pillar of salt. 26
you mentioned child sacrifice. may nations around then were Evil. - the land of canaan was rife with Idolatry -
they burned their children alive to demons.
God also destroyed this evil from among them.
Jesus said , speaking of any one who would harm the little ones, " it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around
his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea". Matt 18:6
you decide for yourself what fate you choose.
God speaks Very clearly for Himself.
some things are just not funny. this sin can be repented of
I have three things to say to you. 1. I find your posts arrogant ( in style and presentation), uninformed and pathetically brainwashed. 2. You are welcome to your views however you must expect some logical opposition to them on here. 3. See the bolded part about homosexuals. ANY of your friends or acquaintance who were homosexuals ARE STILL NOW homosexuals as they are born and not made and hence not 'sinful' even in your blinkered view. speaking of arrogance, you presume to know about numerous people I have known for Many years. i ran support groups for abuse survivors, i studied
psychology in college & all my life.
not one i knew was "born that way". God doesn't make mistakes.
the Inclination for what God calls sin - is within all of us. we All have our weaknesses - those "irresistible impulses" some make excuses for.
they Chose that lifestyle. all had life situations or trauma as primary contributing factors.
most have died of drugs, alcoholism or aids. some are addicted to having Numerous "partners".
some resisted the temptations, learned and healed enough to change their ways.
i don't believe for a minute anyone was "born" that way. it makes their excuse they "can't help themselves".
the worst ones were the predators. you don't Want to know their stories.
from each of their sins, Hundreds of True victims. rapists and pedophiles. and worse
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 23, 2019 10:46:27 GMT
I have three things to say to you. 1. I find your posts arrogant ( in style and presentation), uninformed and pathetically brainwashed. 2. You are welcome to your views however you must expect some logical opposition to them on here. 3. See the bolded part about homosexuals. ANY of your friends or acquaintance who were homosexuals ARE STILL NOW homosexuals as they are born and not made and hence not 'sinful' even in your blinkered view. speaking of arrogance, you presume to know about numerous people I have known for Many years. i ran support groups for abuse survivors, i studied
psychology in college & all my life.
not one i knew was "born that way". God doesn't make mistakes.
the Inclination for what God calls sin - is within all of us. we All have our weaknesses - those "irresistible impulses" some make excuses for.
they Chose that lifestyle. all had life situations or trauma as primary contributing factors.
most have died of drugs, alcoholism or aids. some are addicted to having Numerous "partners".
some resisted the temptations, learned and healed enough to change their ways.
i don't believe for a minute anyone was "born" that way. it makes their excuse they "can't help themselves".
the worst ones were the predators. you don't Want to know their stories.
from each of their sins, Hundreds of True victims. rapists and pedophiles. and worse
No one is born that way and God doesn't make mistakes and yet inclination for what God calls sin is within all of us. That sounds like a pretty big mistake and you seem to imply that we are all born this inclination... So which is it?
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 23, 2019 11:40:19 GMT
speaking of arrogance, you presume to know about numerous people I have known for Many years. i ran support groups for abuse survivors, i studied
psychology in college & all my life.
not one i knew was "born that way". God doesn't make mistakes.
the Inclination for what God calls sin - is within all of us. we All have our weaknesses - those "irresistible impulses" some make excuses for.
they Chose that lifestyle. all had life situations or trauma as primary contributing factors.
most have died of drugs, alcoholism or aids. some are addicted to having Numerous "partners".
some resisted the temptations, learned and healed enough to change their ways.
i don't believe for a minute anyone was "born" that way. it makes their excuse they "can't help themselves".
the worst ones were the predators. you don't Want to know their stories.
from each of their sins, Hundreds of True victims. rapists and pedophiles. and worse
No one is born that way and God doesn't make mistakes and yet inclination for what God calls sin is within all of us. That sounds like a pretty big mistake and you seem to imply that we are all born this inclination... So which is it? in eden, we were created in a perfect world. sinless till tempted by evil; man was warned not to eat of ONE tree. out of a World full of trees and of choices, eve hung around talking to the serpent.
he made her question God,"has God said ?", doubt His Word. the temptation. then the lie.
then the serpent said "you will not surely die. for God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil". so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree Desirable to make one wise, she took of it's fruit and ate. she also gave to her husband with her and he ate it. ( Gen 3:4-6 )
now we know the difference between good & evil.
man fell and sin entered the world. man chooses. good or evil. this now is our nature, it was not our nature Before the fall.
our inclination now to sin is when man makes the mistake of choosing wrong.
we are born sinless - in a sinful world
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 11:59:11 GMT
I know that there are Christians that are battling against homosexuality, but I'm not seeing where we are told to fight such a battle.
A Christian is by definition, someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. I can't interpret his teachings as anything close to telling us to get into some sort of war with homosexuals.
Do I find in reading the Bible that homosexuality is stated as wrong? Yes, I do. The bible states a lot of things are the wrong things to do, some things I do every day. I need to work on my own sins a whole lot before I go working on what anyone else is up to.
I don't see the message of Jesus Christ as commissioning anyone to go out into the world and right all the things one finds from reading the Bible stated as wrong. Actually in reading the Bible, I believe much of his story was about his battles with those who were more about enforcing interpretations of religious texts on others than seeking a personal relationship with God.
The message of Jesus Christ, and what being a Christian is to me, is to show others who Jesus is, why he came, and how he gives hope to all to develop a personal relationship with God. I don't see that message as instructing people to go through the Bible and point out to others what it says is not the right thing to do.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 23, 2019 12:36:36 GMT
No one is born that way and God doesn't make mistakes and yet inclination for what God calls sin is within all of us. That sounds like a pretty big mistake and you seem to imply that we are all born this inclination... So which is it? in eden, we were created in a perfect world. sinless till tempted by evil; man was warned not to eat of ONE tree. out of a World full of trees and of choices, eve hung around talking to the serpent.
he made her question God,"has God said ?", doubt His Word. the temptation. then the lie.
then the serpent said "you will not surely die. for God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil". so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree Desirable to make one wise, she took of it's fruit and ate. she also gave to her husband with her and he ate it. ( Gen 3:4-6 )
now we know the difference between good & evil.
man fell and sin entered the world. man chooses. good or evil. this now is our nature, it was not our nature Before the fall.
our inclination now to sin is when man makes the mistake of choosing wrong.
If they didn't know the difference between good and evil how did they know that disobeying God was evil? Why did God allow serpent to tempt the two humans? Plus why should all humans pay for the mistakes of two other guys? It doesn't make any sense to me... Most Christians denominations have the doctrine of original sin that says exactly the opposite. That we are born sinful.
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 23, 2019 13:20:23 GMT
I know that there are Christians that are battling against homosexuality, but I'm not seeing where we are told to fight such a battle. A Christian is by definition, someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. I can't interpret his teachings as anything close to telling us to get into some sort of war with homosexuals. Do I find in reading the Bible that homosexuality is stated as wrong? Yes, I do. The bible states a lot of things are the wrong things to do, some things I do every day. I need to work on my own sins a whole lot before I go working on what anyone else is up to. I don't see the message of Jesus Christ as commissioning anyone to go out into the world and right all the things one finds from reading the Bible stated as wrong. Actually in reading the Bible, I believe much of his story was about his battles with those who were more about enforcing interpretations of religious texts on others than seeking a personal relationship with God. The message of Jesus Christ, and what being a Christian is to me, is to show others who Jesus is, why he came, and how he gives hope to all to develop a personal relationship with God. I don't see that message as instructing people to go through the Bible and point out to others what it says is not the right thing to do. if your house was on fire; and i knew you, the wife & the kids were sleeping, would you want me to tell you ?
perhaps you didn't see the original post - freak, slave, blasphemies, child sacrifice, satan ? - very subtle.
yeah, i'm going to speak up when the sodomites are teaching young children in our schools how to have *n*l sex !! at tax payer expense !
but i can't speak of how to get to heaven or Jesus. (yet our tax dollars now allow the teachings of homosexuals, of perversions, of godless athiesm, of islam and more).
most people are so brainwashed they don't even know what the truth of scripture is. the prophets have always been truth tellers
to nations in rebellion. scripture warns them thru people who dare to speak the truth in a world of madness.
read the words of Jesus, the apostles, even the prophets of old. fair warning is given to those who are perishing. repent.
especially to those who have declared war on us. look what has happened to the empires of old, those who forgot or ignored the warnings from the Word of God. they fell from the moral decay within. they were corrupted by their own depravity, made slaves to brutal tyranny.
ancient rome executed those who refused to worship caesar as a god. we are in a spiritual warfare for the soul of a nation.
i speak the truth for the sake of love, for those who are perishing. especially when i see our children at risk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:54:39 GMT
I know that there are Christians that are battling against homosexuality, but I'm not seeing where we are told to fight such a battle. A Christian is by definition, someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. I can't interpret his teachings as anything close to telling us to get into some sort of war with homosexuals. Do I find in reading the Bible that homosexuality is stated as wrong? Yes, I do. The bible states a lot of things are the wrong things to do, some things I do every day. I need to work on my own sins a whole lot before I go working on what anyone else is up to. I don't see the message of Jesus Christ as commissioning anyone to go out into the world and right all the things one finds from reading the Bible stated as wrong. Actually in reading the Bible, I believe much of his story was about his battles with those who were more about enforcing interpretations of religious texts on others than seeking a personal relationship with God. The message of Jesus Christ, and what being a Christian is to me, is to show others who Jesus is, why he came, and how he gives hope to all to develop a personal relationship with God. I don't see that message as instructing people to go through the Bible and point out to others what it says is not the right thing to do. if your house was on fire; and i knew you, the wife & the kids were sleeping, would you want me to tell you ?
perhaps you didn't see the original post - freak, slave, blasphemies, child sacrifice, satan ? - very subtle.
yeah, i'm going to speak up when the sodomites are teaching young children in our schools how to have *n*l sex !! at tax payer expense !
but i can't speak of how to get to heaven or Jesus. (yet our tax dollars now allow the teachings of homosexuals, of perversions, of godless athiesm, of islam and more).
most people are so brainwashed they don't even know what the truth of scripture is. the prophets have always been truth tellers
to nations in rebellion. scripture warns them thru people who dare to speak the truth in a world of madness.
read the words of Jesus, the apostles, even the prophets of old. fair warning is given to those who are perishing. repent.
especially to those who have declared war on us. look what has happened to the empires of old, those who forgot or ignored the warnings from the Word of God. they fell from the moral decay within. they were corrupted by their own depravity, made slaves to brutal tyranny.
ancient rome executed those who refused to worship caesar as a god. we are in a spiritual warfare for the soul of a nation.
i speak the truth for the sake of love, for those who are perishing. especially when i see our children at risk
I see how Jesus lived, and I am going to do my best to live like that. My track record isn't too good at achieving that goal, thankfully he's there to pick me up, dust me off, and send me on my way to try again. I fail a great deal in this. I'll share with anyone listening that he is there to do that for everybody. I share that with my family and pray they can go out into a world full of sin change it one heart at a time, making mistakes all along the way. If you are lead by your faith in God to change the world the way you are trying to, go for it. I just don't see that as how Jesus changed the world. |
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 23, 2019 15:27:05 GMT
in eden, we were created in a perfect world. sinless till tempted by evil; man was warned not to eat of ONE tree. out of a World full of trees and of choices, eve hung around talking to the serpent.
he made her question God,"has God said ?", doubt His Word. the temptation. then the lie.
then the serpent said "you will not surely die. for God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil". so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree Desirable to make one wise, she took of it's fruit and ate. she also gave to her husband with her and he ate it. ( Gen 3:4-6 )
now we know the difference between good & evil.
man fell and sin entered the world. man chooses. good or evil. this now is our nature, it was not our nature Before the fall.
our inclination now to sin is when man makes the mistake of choosing wrong.
If they didn't know the difference between good and evil how did they know that disobeying God was evil? Why did God allow serpent to tempt the two humans? Plus why should all humans pay for the mistakes of two other guys? It doesn't make any sense to me... Most Christians denominations have the doctrine of original sin that says exactly the opposite. That we are born sinful. and the Lord God commanded "of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall surely die". Gen 2:16,17 told what it was, said don't eat of it, if you do, you will die. they knew it was forbidden. freely chosen. through adam sin entered a fallen world - we all die.
i believe scripture teaches we are tempted to see what is in our hearts. to see Whom will we serve - the devil or God.
God is inviting us home to live with Him. i think He Wants to be selective. He seeks US - with Faith to Trust the Truth & obey Him.
the devil's tricks will fool all who aren't interested in Truth, God's Word or Will.
*- the "doctrine" of "original sin"- (as defined from the "doctrines of men") is that we are born with adam's sin.
wrong . Error. Not in the Word of God.
we are born pure, sinless little babies. ask a newborn what he has done wrong, what sin he has committed. NONE.
that's the trouble of men making up all kinds of stupid things.
Not in the Word of God
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 23, 2019 15:35:03 GMT
If they didn't know the difference between good and evil how did they know that disobeying God was evil? Why did God allow serpent to tempt the two humans? Plus why should all humans pay for the mistakes of two other guys? It doesn't make any sense to me... Most Christians denominations have the doctrine of original sin that says exactly the opposite. That we are born sinful. and the Lord God commanded "of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall surely die". Gen 2:16,17 told what it was, said don't eat of it, if you do, you will die. they knew it was forbidden. freely chosen. through adam sin entered a fallen world - we all die.
i believe scripture teaches we are tempted to see what is in our hearts. to see Whom will we serve - the devil or God.
God is inviting us home to live with Him. i think He Wants to be selective. He seeks US - with Faith to Trust the Truth & obey Him.
the devil's tricks will fool all who aren't interested in Truth, God's Word or Will.
*- the "doctrine" of "original sin"- (as defined from the "doctrines of men") is that we are born with adam's sin.
wrong . Error. Not in the Word of God.
we are born pure, sinless little babies. ask a newborn what he has done wrong, what sin he has committed. NONE.
that's the trouble of men making up all kinds of stupid things.
Not in the Word of God
Before the Fall of Man did, were Adam and Eve mortal? Why did He let the devil enter the garden in the first place= Fair enough regarding your views about original sin. It makes more sense that way, but you are surely aware, that your view is a minority among Christians.
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 23, 2019 16:37:27 GMT
and the Lord God commanded "of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall surely die". Gen 2:16,17 told what it was, said don't eat of it, if you do, you will die. they knew it was forbidden. freely chosen. through adam sin entered a fallen world - we all die.
i believe scripture teaches we are tempted to see what is in our hearts. to see Whom will we serve - the devil or God.
God is inviting us home to live with Him. i think He Wants to be selective. He seeks US - with Faith to Trust the Truth & obey Him.
the devil's tricks will fool all who aren't interested in Truth, God's Word or Will.
*- the "doctrine" of "original sin"- (as defined from the "doctrines of men") is that we are born with adam's sin.
wrong . Error. Not in the Word of God.
we are born pure, sinless little babies. ask a newborn what he has done wrong, what sin he has committed. NONE.
that's the trouble of men making up all kinds of stupid things.
Not in the Word of God
Before the Fall of Man did, were Adam and Eve mortal? Why did He let the devil enter the garden in the first place= Fair enough regarding your views about original sin. It makes more sense that way, but you are surely aware, that your view is a minority among Christians. God created a perfect place. man had perfect fellowship with God. sin & death had not ruined everything yet. they could have lived forever
in eden. but the serpent had been cast out of heaven to earth. the serpent ruined it trying to destroy them and God's plan.
the devil is just running amok on earth until he is thrown into hell with all his demons as it says in Revelation.
- i can give you chapter & verse for everything i believe. most "christian" groups are not based on scripture for doctrine, practice or teaching.
scripture says "in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men" Mark 7: 7
this is Why we have God's Word to follow. it's all in black & white for us to know the truth of God
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Post by goz on Sept 23, 2019 23:00:00 GMT
Before the Fall of Man did, were Adam and Eve mortal? Why did He let the devil enter the garden in the first place= Fair enough regarding your views about original sin. It makes more sense that way, but you are surely aware, that your view is a minority among Christians. God created a perfect place. man had perfect fellowship with God. sin & death had not ruined everything yet. they could have lived forever
in eden. but the serpent had been cast out of heaven to earth. the serpent ruined it trying to destroy them and God's plan.
the devil is just running amok on earth until he is thrown into hell with all his demons as it says in Revelation.
- i can give you chapter & verse for everything i believe. most "christian" groups are not based on scripture for doctrine, practice or teaching.
scripture says "in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men" Mark 7: 7
this is Why we have God's Word to follow. it's all in black & white for us to know the truth of God
Whilst I find your extremist fundamentalist views interesting in a 'point and stare' kind of way, I also feel appalled that an apparently intelligent human being can be so misguided about the ways of the world ( especially regarding poor old harmless homosexuals) and actually live their of life based on fear 'God' and all that other fictitious nonsense made up by ancient men of THEIR times. Don't get me wrong, there are some good messages in the Bible however all the other bollocks is contradictory at best and dangerous and hypocritical at worst.
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