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Post by hi224 on Oct 6, 2019 1:07:16 GMT
He's of course free to his opinion, but it's still a tad narrow minded methinks.
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Post by dazz on Oct 6, 2019 5:46:11 GMT
That's a different kind of pissing people off. Whenever a series has gone from R to PG-13 it's never gone down well and it's not just a comic fan thing. But it's just unnecessary to boot. Why can't Blade just be R rated? He's not the most CGI heavy character to make the most expensive movie out of. This Joker movie is R rated and that's just made as much as the last Spider-Man movie on opening day. There's no reason why there can't be a R rated MCU movie. R rated superhero movies still make a lot of money as Deadpool also proved. Of course Blade is like Deadpool, he goes around shooting and stabbing people. But it's not a series going from R to PG-13, it's a new series not being the same as the old series rating, this isn't the same version of the character, I would agree if this was still Snipes in the role but it being a whole new version of the character I think so long as they don't market it being in the same vein as the Snipes series then there wont be too much of an issue.
As for CGI it depends honestly, I mean lets be honest a lot of the MCU doesn't need to use CGI like it does, but they do, they use it because they can not because they have to, Blade would probably be the same way, as for Joker yeah it's had a huge opening but then we don't know if that is going to drop off heavy or run strong, could be a lot of the press made people super aware and wanting to see it and that wont hold out, or it could have insane legs, but then it's also supposedly a movie about one of if not the most famous supervillain of all time, Blade doesn't have that same notoriety to bank on.
And it's just a branding thing also Marvel & Disney may not want to branch the MCU into R ratings and stuff, they may want to keep it all being for all ages, that's why I think a 2nd label maybe a possibility to distinguish the MCU from more adult only properties.
Personally I would prefer Blade be R rated myself, but I also don't think it needs to be either story wise or box office wise, the MCU fanbase is bigger than the Blade fanbase, they can afford to piss off the Blade fans, not so much cut off a large chunk of the MCU fanbase.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 6, 2019 6:47:46 GMT
Shocking MCU fans actually think Scorsese is jealous.
Marvel can just easily prove him wrong by making a cinematic movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 6, 2019 6:57:35 GMT
Shocking MCU fans actually think Scorsese is jealous. Marvel can just easily prove him wrong by making a cinematic movie. Actually most responses here are in reaction to your foolishness, and a bit of nexus' as well. Neither of you, as well as DC-Fan, know how to properly debate.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 6, 2019 8:10:03 GMT
He isn't wrong or right. He has an opinion and he's entitled to it. The worst thing about this in my opinion is the pompous twats running around message boards declaring "he's right" and acting like he wasn't talking about Logan and the Dark Knight trilogy also.
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Post by scabab on Oct 6, 2019 8:28:25 GMT
But it's not a series going from R to PG-13, it's a new series not being the same as the old series rating, this isn't the same version of the character, I would agree if this was still Snipes in the role but it being a whole new version of the character I think so long as they don't market it being in the same vein as the Snipes series then there wont be too much of an issue. Well they did reboot Robocop and that was a different version of the character and that was PG-13 and that received outrage. Same happened with Total Recall. I really don't know what they'll do with it because it will be from Disney and them all being PG-13 does make them consistent. Could also make any crossovers awkward if Blade has to be toned down when appearing in another movie. But yeah I don't know if it'd feel right. Probably would have worked better as a Netflix series like Punisher.
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Post by sostie on Oct 6, 2019 8:47:45 GMT
Shocking MCU fans actually think Scorsese is jealous. Marvel can just easily prove him wrong by making a cinematic movie. Instead of just repeating what is in the headline, look up the definition of "cinematic" if you are going to use it.
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Post by Groovy Rachel on Oct 6, 2019 10:42:54 GMT
I don't agree by I see where he's coming from. They can feel like they're rolling off of a mass marketing line a lot of times. You see something like Joker and that does look unique. The MCU just doesn't have anything like that. Why can't it have a R rated movie for starters. No R rated film has ever earned $b for starters, Antman & The Wasp which is the lesser brand of the MCU right now made as much as the 5th most popular Rated R movie of all time, the highest only grossing barely $800m which is almost $200m lower than the MCU's "average" per film at this point.
Though a R rated MCU film could be the first $ib rated R film it's just a case of money though why bother risking the average nlowering? also they make as much on toys which they wont with a movie only aimed at adults..
So? They may earn a bit less money but Deadpool was the second most profitable movie of 2016 while Civil War which made $300 million was down at number 8. Blade wouldn't cost Avengers or Spider-Man money. It could be R.
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Post by dazz on Oct 6, 2019 14:04:00 GMT
No R rated film has ever earned $b for starters, Antman & The Wasp which is the lesser brand of the MCU right now made as much as the 5th most popular Rated R movie of all time, the highest only grossing barely $800m which is almost $200m lower than the MCU's "average" per film at this point.
Though a R rated MCU film could be the first $ib rated R film it's just a case of money though why bother risking the average nlowering? also they make as much on toys which they wont with a movie only aimed at adults..
So? They may earn a bit less money but Deadpool was the second most profitable movie of 2016 while Civil War which made $300 million was down at number 8. Blade wouldn't cost Avengers or Spider-Man money. It could be R. And Deadpool 2 which cost twice as much made less money even with a re-release, and I think according to Reynolds or someone in the mix that made the movie Deadpool got a lot more out of their budget because they did the effects for cost or something so that money went a lot further due to it being a bit of a passion project for even the production house or something.
And yeah it could be R but this is all also ignoring everything else outside of the box office, rated R stuff isn't going to get the same tie ins and merch heavy push which is also a big part of the whole Disney brand thing, which is why I think Blade being made under Fox and a 2nd Marvel banner would make more sense, but whilst it could be R it can be PG-13 also, R just means it'll be a little bloodier, have more cursing and sexual content, none of which make for good movies on their own, done well they do but done well they can be done without also.
My thing I would like is the same thing I thought they should have done with Venom, produce a PG-13 cut and a R cut the R has the harsher language and more blood but the films are the same, you know make the PG cut just the TV edit basically, that way they can play the PG cut in the day and the rated R cut at night, that way may even gets more people going twice to compare the two.
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Post by dazz on Oct 6, 2019 14:14:01 GMT
But it's not a series going from R to PG-13, it's a new series not being the same as the old series rating, this isn't the same version of the character, I would agree if this was still Snipes in the role but it being a whole new version of the character I think so long as they don't market it being in the same vein as the Snipes series then there wont be too much of an issue. Well they did reboot Robocop and that was a different version of the character and that was PG-13 and that received outrage. Same happened with Total Recall. I really don't know what they'll do with it because it will be from Disney and them all being PG-13 does make them consistent. Could also make any crossovers awkward if Blade has to be toned down when appearing in another movie. But yeah I don't know if it'd feel right. Probably would have worked better as a Netflix series like Punisher. They were also shit films anyway, and Robocop reboot just wasn't Robocop, it wasn't quite as much a parody as the original which is so much of that films charm, same with Starship Troopers, it's not that Robocop wasn't Robocop it was it wasn't a Verhoeven movie imo.
Yeah Blade would have been awesome as part of the Netflix shows, maybe that's what they could do when they get all their rights back and can use those characters again, make the Netflix shows the basis of a new label and universe where Blade can and does exist in it? so you have the MCU which is family appropriate and on Disney+ but then you have the Netflix shows & Blade as a ressurected Marvel Knights label and they also go to Hulu?
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 6, 2019 16:57:25 GMT
Yeah but what do they intend to do when they make that Blade movie? If that ends up being PG-13 it may be consistent with all the others but it'd definitely piss people off after how the last movies were. Blade wouldn't work if it wasn't R. Why wouldn't Blade work PG13? Really the only thing that made it R was language. An implied sex act. There was some blood, but the vampires immediately turned to ash. A lot of the violence in it is kinda tame by today's standards.
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Post by Caesium137 on Oct 6, 2019 17:33:16 GMT
Yeah but what do they intend to do when they make that Blade movie? If that ends up being PG-13 it may be consistent with all the others but it'd definitely piss people off after how the last movies were. Blade wouldn't work if it wasn't R. Why wouldn't Blade work PG13? Really the only thing that made it R was language. An implied sex act. There was some blood, but the vampires immediately turned to ash. A lot of the violence in it is kinda tame by today's standards. The blood bath shower in the club? |
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Post by scabab on Oct 6, 2019 17:34:14 GMT
Why wouldn't Blade work PG13? Really the only thing that made it R was language. An implied sex act. There was some blood, but the vampires immediately turned to ash. A lot of the violence in it is kinda tame by today's standards. I think you're kind of undermining it. Blade had a fair amount of blood in it, especially during the party when blood starting pouring out of the ceiling and the end when it was all dripping from Blades slit wrists to form on Frost. There were the scenes of the Vampires biting on humans necks so blood there. There was dismemberment from when Blade cut that man's arm off. Impaled him with a spike. He burned him alive. He got up and started running around as a ashen corpse. Ran his face across a moving train that ripped the skin off. Blade ripped out someone's throat. Whistler was covered in blood from being beaten to near death. He cut Frost in half. Kicked a needle straight into his face. He then expanded into a deformed blob which then exploded and blood gushed everywhere. They'd have to tone that down immensely if they were to be consistent with the MCU and people would be pissed. Edit: Oh and there was also that scene where Blade completely roasted that fat deformed Vampires alive with a UV light.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 6, 2019 19:26:59 GMT
Why wouldn't Blade work PG13? Really the only thing that made it R was language. An implied sex act. There was some blood, but the vampires immediately turned to ash. A lot of the violence in it is kinda tame by today's standards. The blood bath shower in the club? You saying that's what tipped it over into being R?
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 6, 2019 19:29:04 GMT
Why wouldn't Blade work PG13? Really the only thing that made it R was language. An implied sex act. There was some blood, but the vampires immediately turned to ash. A lot of the violence in it is kinda tame by today's standards. I think you're kind of undermining it. Blade had a fair amount of blood in it, especially during the party when blood starting pouring out of the ceiling and the end when it was all dripping from Blades slit wrists to form on Frost. There were the scenes of the Vampires biting on humans necks so blood there. There was dismemberment from when Blade cut that man's arm off. Impaled him with a spike. He burned him alive. He got up and started running around as a ashen corpse. Ran his face across a moving train that ripped the skin off. Blade ripped out someone's throat. Whistler was covered in blood from being beaten to near death. He cut Frost in half. Kicked a needle straight into his face. He then expanded into a deformed blob which then exploded and blood gushed everywhere. They'd have to tone that down immensely if they were to be consistent with the MCU and people would be pissed. Edit: Oh and there was also that scene where Blade completely roasted that fat deformed Vampires alive with a UV light. What I'm saying is: Is any of that what made the movie good?
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Post by scabab on Oct 6, 2019 19:51:43 GMT
What I'm saying is: Is any of that what made the movie good? Hell yeah it did. People love violence in action movies, it's never the same without it. Deadpool would never have been as good without its violence just the same, if he was firing bullets through peoples brains or cutting off heads it wouldn't have been nearly as good. Violence doesn't automatically make something good but if they made a John Wick 4 and everything was technically as good about it as the others but it was a PG-13 it just would not be the same at all.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 6, 2019 20:48:59 GMT
What I'm saying is: Is any of that what made the movie good? Hell yeah it did. People love violence in action movies, it's never the same without it. Deadpool would never have been as good without its violence just the same, if he was firing bullets through peoples brains or cutting off heads it wouldn't have been nearly as good. Violence doesn't automatically make something good but if they made a John Wick 4 and everything was technically as good about it as the others but it was a PG-13 it just would not be the same at all. Nah, I think Deadpool would still have been good if it was originally made PG13. Saying that the violence made the movie means that they didn't have anything to go on. Deadpool himself is what made those movies good.
John Wick is more about the action scenes than the character. More than Deadpool or Blade.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 6, 2019 21:02:23 GMT
Hell yeah it did. People love violence in action movies, it's never the same without it. Deadpool would never have been as good without its violence just the same, if he was firing bullets through peoples brains or cutting off heads it wouldn't have been nearly as good. Violence doesn't automatically make something good but if they made a John Wick 4 and everything was technically as good about it as the others but it was a PG-13 it just would not be the same at all. Nah, I think Deadpool would still have been good if it was originally made PG13. Saying that the violence made the movie means that they didn't have anything to go on. Deadpool himself is what made those movies good.
John Wick is more about the action scenes than the character. More than Deadpool or Blade.
Blade should be r rated. after the success of Logan, Deadpool and now Joker. MCU has run out of excuses not to make r rated films. its pathetic to make a case for pg 13 blade because stupid disney cannot make r rated films. stupid disney can hardly make pg 13 DOFP or Sort Code or Interstellar, they put out immature crap like endgame with their fat thor jokes and theme parks cgi thrills. Good Scorsese is educating MCU Fans. how many r rated movie does he have?
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Post by thenolan on Oct 6, 2019 21:02:57 GMT
its time for marvel to get mature and make good cinema. You mean get rid of dance offs and forced and cringy humor. Sign me up You and Scorsese may be on to something. Remember how endgame looked like a video game during the last battle. Scorsese is correct to compare it to themes parks. something about marvel movies always gives a fake atmosphere vibe, like theme packs its more about the thrill than the brains. The thrill though is of an immature audience and stupid millennial critics who don't know good cinema. Its good Scorsese is fact checking them.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 6, 2019 21:04:13 GMT
Shocking MCU fans actually think Scorsese is jealous. Marvel can just easily prove him wrong by making a cinematic movie. Actually most responses here are in reaction to your foolishness, and a bit of nexus' as well. Neither of you, as well as DC-Fan, know how to properly debate. So Scorsese said MCU is utter crap. Ouch.
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