Does anyone else think Heath Ledgers Joker

I cant explain how he has no records anywhere tho. Thoughts??

Blackmailed an intelligence agent

No, my imagined version of Ledger Joker's origin story is nothing similar to Joaquin Phoenix. I imagine he was an orphaned early on. I imagine he originated from a rural area where he learned self reliance and poverty and authority were never a looming presence in his life. He was probably a well known trouble maker around the town, getting into knife fights, committing petty crimes for a few dollars here and there, stealing live stock, scorching corn fields, sabotaging the police, being a general pest around town. His charisma made him popular though, he was feared but loved by poor locals and seen as a vigilante. He could easily manipulate local guys into doing his bidding for him, and easily manipulate his way into a different girls bed every weekend. There were locals who were also outsiders who weren't into tractor pulls and country music and they'd take him in and introduce him to things like vaudeville, charlie chaplin, rock and roll, punk rock, stand up comics like george carlin, richard pryor, etc, he got nothing out of any of these artists substance and only absorbed their style and attitude as something he could meld into himself. They introduced him to books on fascism, anarchy, communism, objectivism, political activism, probably none of which interested him in philosophy but only as tactics he could apply to his narcissism. As he approached adulthood he started developing a yearning for more, a bigger stage, a larger ocean, and he started migrating closer to the city. Now he's seeing the slums, desperate people he can manipulate to push him further, and this slum is right around the block from a posh hipster arts district. He flexes his borrowed knowledge on the Marx Brothers and Karl Marx to get in with the artsy rich kids and begins running scams on them to accumulate resources. He starts attending open mic nights, he smears paint on his face and dawns a thrift store suit and starts calling himself Joker. He doesn't use the stage to entertain but to influence. He develops a cult around himself, preaching borrowed philosophy trending towards fascism. He orchestrates violent protests on a nearby college campus to draw police attention as he commits choreographed bank robberies around town. He quickly gains the attention of Gotham's Korean mafia, who retaliate and push him into the Narrows where he begins plotting against his new enemies and his penchant for revenge turns to homicidal levels, he employs former Akrham inmates in running sabotage on Korean gang activity, the arkham inmates tell him stories of a mad doctor wearing a sack over his head that causes them nightmares, and telling him they saw apparitions of bats and clowns in the night. Then Joker sees it for himself, chaos breaks out in the narrows and he witnesses the nightmares himself, he experiences an ego death. Gone are delusions of greed and his self preservation, and all that remains is his penchant for chaos. He once again dawns his Joker outfit, only this time for good. 

You wanna know how he got the scars? I'll let him tell that story.

Does the OP contain spoilers because if so that needs to be put in the title.

I’d prefer not to wonder about what the origins of Heath Ledger’s Joker were. Some things are better left a mystery, That goes for the comics as well. I give the new movie a pass because it’s not really a Batman movie.

I suppose its not impossible to not have a record if you were never a criminal beforehand, and if you were very careful to not ever create any electronic trails and such. Any previous identity(s) you have had could simply be abandoned. No one would get your DDNA or fingerprints unless you gave them up or left them behind at a crime scene. And you could get rid of fingerprints with acids. These are all unlikely in our current society, but not totally impossible.

He is very similar to JD in Heathers.
I imagine at the end where he allegedly blew himself up, he didn't. Somehow he survived & became the Joker.


JD was obsessed with the concept the only place people of different socioeconomic groups could get along would be in heaven.

Joker was obsessed with proving everyone was as rotten as he was inside. That the fine upright citizens were rotten. He wanted to prove Bats was horrible like he(Joker) was.

Saved me a ton of typing and most likely said it in a much more coherent way than I could. I liked the new movie, but it doesn't really feel like the same Joker in the least.

The movie itself could have removed the DC light connections and you wouldn’t recognize this character as a version of the Joker at all. While I understand it gets eyes on the film, it did not really feel like the character we’ve seen portrayed in the past, whether in film or in the comics. While some like this idea since it is an organization final concept, I thought it was disingenuous.

Yet I also think that Phoenix should get an Oscar nomination, so don’t misread my sentiments.

And both had daddy issues of neglect