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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 10, 2019 4:11:17 GMT
OK, so it's very apparent you don't even have a basic understanding of science and yet still want to act like an authority on it. I would recommend you read at least one of the following before trying to discuss the topic: A Brief History of Time- Stephen Hawking A Universe from Nothing- Lawrence Krauss The Selfish Gene- Richard Dawins Cosmos- Carl Sagan death by Black Hole- Neil DeGrasse Tyson The Big Picture by Sean Carroll is also great.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 10, 2019 14:28:31 GMT
I'm not 'making it up', but even so, you should ponder this quote awhile: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Einstein. Oh you're making all kinds of shit up. Case-in-point: IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/191532/consciousness-creates-materiality <- You have no evidence for that BS but claim it like it's a fact. Einstein had great imagination to conceive of something like General Relativity to begin with, but he also had the discipline to mathematically formalize it and submit it to the rigors of scientific testing. Imagination without that discipline is only good for artists and madmen; you have no scientific discipline, and unless we consider trolling an art-form you aren't an artist either. You made a point in my favor without even realizing it. Lol If not for that imagination, Einstein wouldn't have done everything that followed it. Imagination is born of consciousness.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 10, 2019 14:29:39 GMT
cannot explain everything. That's doesn't mean that 'everything' doesn't exist. There is more that exists outside of our human awareness than does within our human awareness. To suggest otherwise is the height of arrogance and idiocy. *looks at Faustus* Actually, science has been around for a few thousand years now. Now compare that to how long mankind has been here.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 10, 2019 17:24:47 GMT
Actually, science has been around for a few thousand years now. Now compare that to how long mankind has been here. It is arguable that the first scientific experiment was the one to create fire from scratch.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 10, 2019 17:58:13 GMT
Now compare that to how long mankind has been here. It is arguable that the first scientific experiment was the one to create fire from scratch. Come on everyone knows it's not science unless you're wearing a labcoat and messing with a bunch of beakers and chemicals
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Post by Catman on Oct 10, 2019 18:24:11 GMT
It is arguable that the first scientific experiment was the one to create fire from scratch. Come on everyone knows it's not science unless you're wearing a labcoat and messing with a bunch of beakers and chemicals And have a sexy lab assistant named Inga and a henchman named Igor.
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Post by goz on Oct 11, 2019 6:31:58 GMT
Oh you're making all kinds of shit up. Case-in-point: IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/191532/consciousness-creates-materiality <- You have no evidence for that BS but claim it like it's a fact. Einstein had great imagination to conceive of something like General Relativity to begin with, but he also had the discipline to mathematically formalize it and submit it to the rigors of scientific testing. Imagination without that discipline is only good for artists and madmen; you have no scientific discipline, and unless we consider trolling an art-form you aren't an artist either. You made a point in my favor without even realizing it. Lol If not for that imagination, Einstein wouldn't have done everything that followed it. Imagination is born of consciousness. No-one is disputing that point.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 11, 2019 12:01:33 GMT
Oh you're making all kinds of shit up. Case-in-point: IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/191532/consciousness-creates-materiality <- You have no evidence for that BS but claim it like it's a fact. Einstein had great imagination to conceive of something like General Relativity to begin with, but he also had the discipline to mathematically formalize it and submit it to the rigors of scientific testing. Imagination without that discipline is only good for artists and madmen; you have no scientific discipline, and unless we consider trolling an art-form you aren't an artist either. You made a point in my favor without even realizing it. Lol If not for that imagination, Einstein wouldn't have done everything that followed it. Imagination is born of consciousness. I don't know what point of yours I think you proved. I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to. He never would've supported the pseudo-scientific nonsense you're peddling.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 11, 2019 14:50:49 GMT
You made a point in my favor without even realizing it. Lol If not for that imagination, Einstein wouldn't have done everything that followed it. Imagination is born of consciousness. I don't know what point of yours I think you proved. I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to. He never would've supported the pseudo-scientific nonsense you're peddling. Wrong again. It was vice versa. First came the imagination, THEN the rigorous math, etc. Same with Tesla. He said he saw all of his inventions in his imagination first. That's where they came from.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 11, 2019 16:02:09 GMT
I don't know what point of yours I think you proved. I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to. He never would've supported the pseudo-scientific nonsense you're peddling. Wrong again. It was vice versa. First came the imagination, THEN the rigorous math, etc. Same with Tesla. He said he saw all of his inventions in his imagination first. That's where they came from. How was he wrong? I don't think he ever said anything that contradicted what you just posted.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 11, 2019 16:31:52 GMT
Wrong again. It was vice versa. First came the imagination, THEN the rigorous math, etc. Same with Tesla. He said he saw all of his inventions in his imagination first. That's where they came from. How was he wrong? I don't think he ever said anything that contradicted what you just posted. He said that Einstein submitted his theories/inventions/math, or whatever, to his imagination. That's wrong. It was vice versa. Everything he did came from his imagination first.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 11, 2019 16:33:05 GMT
I don't know what point of yours I think you proved. I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to. He never would've supported the pseudo-scientific nonsense you're peddling. Christians are not supposed to use their imagination about God. It has been, according to them, delivered to them by Revelation. For Catholics, this means the Church is the protector and interpreter; for Protestants only Bible contains the truth. Otherwise, to imagine is to invite heresy. (I’m not a Christian.) And what Einstein used was not his imagination so much as thought experiments. He didn’t just willy-nilly think random thoughts about physics. He said he used his imagination FIRST. I think he would know better than anyone else what he did.
I'm not religious, so I'm not interested in people's misinterpretations of the Bible and scripture.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 11, 2019 16:38:41 GMT
How was he wrong? I don't think he ever said anything that contradicted what you just posted. He said that Einstein submitted his theories/inventions/math, or whatever, to his imagination. That's wrong. It was vice versa. Everything he did came from his imagination first. That's not what he said. Please stop making stuff up.
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Post by faustus5 on Oct 11, 2019 16:40:58 GMT
He said that Einstein submitted his theories/inventions/math, or whatever, to his imagination. That's wrong. It was vice versa. Everything he did came from his imagination first. He didn't say that at all, so we can add basic English comprehension to the enormous list of things you completely suck at.
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 11, 2019 16:47:31 GMT
repetitive qualities are not necessarily wholesome dichotomies
after dumping trillions of dollars and millions of gallons of human blood both adult and innocent child it was determined at this point in time if everyone isn't on board with the united states mentality of bombast til they are rendered mild you magically discover that no one is actually free while marketing endlessly a world with a reoccurring disease of cancer causing calamities that might just be due to the fabreeze you're spiking your coffee with.
sjw 10/11/19 inspired at this very moment in time by the bingeing behind the blow back revolving around the butcher fest you're calling liberty and justice for all.
from the 'blitzkrieg series' of poems
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 12, 2019 2:25:24 GMT
I don't know what point of yours I think you proved. I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to. He never would've supported the pseudo-scientific nonsense you're peddling. Wrong again. It was vice versa. First came the imagination, THEN the rigorous math, etc. That's what I said. How was he wrong? I don't think he ever said anything that contradicted what you just posted. He said that Einstein submitted his theories/inventions/math, or whatever, to his imagination. That's wrong. It was vice versa. Everything he did came from his imagination first. I literally said the exact opposite: Me: "I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to."
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Post by goz on Oct 12, 2019 2:26:55 GMT
Wrong again. It was vice versa. First came the imagination, THEN the rigorous math, etc. That's what I said. He said that Einstein submitted his theories/inventions/math, or whatever, to his imagination. That's wrong. It was vice versa. Everything he did came from his imagination first. I literally said the exact opposite: Me: "I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to." Heeeeey lies.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 12, 2019 2:33:22 GMT
I don't know what point of yours I think you proved. I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to. He never would've supported the pseudo-scientific nonsense you're peddling. And what Einstein used was not his imagination so much as thought experiments. He didn’t just willy-nilly think random thoughts about physics. This is semantics really; I think imagination encompasses more than just "willy-nilly random thoughts." To imagine the concept of masses bending space and how this how this could effect gravity is what I'd call imagination as well, not dissimilar from how artists use reality to imagine stories that highlight certain truths about human experience.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 12, 2019 2:34:23 GMT
That's what I said. I literally said the exact opposite: Me: "I already said imagination was important for Einstein, but so was the rigorous mathematical modeling and scientific testing that he submitted that imagination to." Heeeeey lies. I'm hoping this is more a case of terrible reading comprehension.
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Post by goz on Oct 12, 2019 2:51:41 GMT
I'm hoping this is more a case of terrible reading comprehension. Nope. The way I see it, is that Heeeeey is a 'pigeonholer' extraordinaire. She is SO expert at knowing what certain types of people think on her pet subjects that she doesn't even read what they say. If you are an atheist or a liberal or any other of her pet hates, she has prejudged your answer before you have even formulated it, let alone post it! She is always telling me what I think or feel. It is highly amusing, though irritating. THEN when called on her irrational, illogical nonsense without any foundation in truth... she lies.
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