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Post by scabab on Oct 9, 2019 16:45:35 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 16:51:51 GMT
I don't think Aniston has contributed all that much to cinema herself, but I'd agree that the glut of superhero films is getting tiresome.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 9, 2019 17:00:34 GMT
Indeed. They're making a whopping two next year and four the following year. It's an epidemic.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 9, 2019 17:03:11 GMT
The thing is, they're still making the movies she's talking about. But nobody wants to pay money to see them. So much entertainment is available at your fingertips these days; only huge blockbusters like MCU films can draw enormous crowds anymore. It isn't an indictment of Marvel movies so much as a commentary on modern cinema contending with increasing entertainment options for the audience.
Don't blame Marvel, blame streaming services and enormous HD television sets. If/when the superhero bubble bursts, I don't know what's going to replace it. Unlike filmmakers and actors who don't understand what's going on in the industry, theaters chains are hoping the Marvel trend continues as long as possible.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 9, 2019 17:05:57 GMT
Indeed. They're making a whopping two next year and four the following year. It's an epidemic. In the meantime Hollywood can make the next Terms of Endearment as Anniston suggests, we'll see how many people are willing to pay to see that on the big screen.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 17:06:50 GMT
Indeed. They're making a whopping two next year and four the following year. It's an epidemic. Must be partly a perceptual thing, because the damn films seem like they're everywhere these days.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 17:07:47 GMT
Indeed. They're making a whopping two next year and four the following year. It's an epidemic. In the meantime Hollywood can make the next Terms of Endearment as Anniston suggests, we'll see how many people are willing to pay to see that on the big screen. Believe it or not, there still exists an audience for films not based off of comic books.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 9, 2019 17:08:37 GMT
In the meantime Hollywood can make the next Terms of Endearment as Anniston suggests, we'll see how many people are willing to pay to see that on the big screen. Believe it or not, there still exists an audience for films not based off of comic books. And there's plenty of those movies remaining.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 17:11:34 GMT
Believe it or not, there still exists an audience for films not based off of comic books.And there's plenty of those movies remaining. This may be, but there's not much doubt they're being increasingly crowded out at the multiplexes by those films. We have a Criterion Theater near us, for which I'm thankful, as many of the more non-comic book types of films would never make it to our area otherwise.
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Post by poutinep on Oct 9, 2019 17:23:07 GMT
She and Scorsese are whiny snobs. no more no less.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 9, 2019 17:49:24 GMT
In the meantime Hollywood can make the next Terms of Endearment as Anniston suggests, we'll see how many people are willing to pay to see that on the big screen. Believe it or not, there still exists an audience for films not based off of comic books. I know, because they're still getting made and I go to see them every week.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 17:56:28 GMT
Believe it or not, there still exists an audience for films not based off of comic books. I know, because they're still getting made and I go to see them every week. They are, but they're not getting the distribution or advertising of the Marvel and DC (and like-minded) productions. And box-office lives and dies on both. Fewer of these films get made every year because of that fact.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 18:06:13 GMT
I know, because they're still getting made and I go to see them every week. They are, but they're not getting the distribution or advertising of the Marvel and DC (and like-minded) productions. And box-office lives and dies on both. Fewer of these films get made every year because of that fact. those are called indie films, they never had much advertisement to begin with. It's an exaggeration. Dont blame Marvel, blame your own films
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 18:09:01 GMT
They are, but they're not getting the distribution or advertising of the Marvel and DC (and like-minded) productions. And box-office lives and dies on both. Fewer of these films get made every year because of that fact. those are called indie films, they never had much advertisement to begin with. It's an exaggeration. Dont blame Marvel, blame your own films Why should I blame quality films for not being able to compete with lowest-common-denominator mind candy that's relentlessly marketed? And btw, they weren't always indie films. Once upon a time, it was the mind candy that was the rarity, and adult-themed dramas that were the mainstream.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 9, 2019 18:11:17 GMT
I know, because they're still getting made and I go to see them every week. They are, but they're not getting the distribution or advertising of the Marvel and DC (and like-minded) productions. And box-office lives and dies on both. Fewer of these films get made every year because of that fact. They still get made, they just have smaller budgets. There's no middle class for film anymore, it's either ultra-cheap or it's a blockbuster. Again, the studios are looking for return on investment, this is nothing new. They get more bang for their buck on the tentpole features. Casual audiences in 2019 aren't going to pay theater prices to watch the next Terms of Endearment, the numbers are in. They can wait to see that stuff on their home entertainment system and have the same experience. The theater experience is only worth it when there's an amount of audio visual spectacle (and it has to be said, shared audience enthusiasm) that can't be replicated at home. You don't have to convince me; like I said, my wife and I have date night at the movies every week. But there are fewer and fewer people like us-- and it isn't because big bad Marvel is edging out the competition. It's because the studios know where the money is these days.
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2019 18:11:59 GMT
I know, because they're still getting made and I go to see them every week. Fewer of these films get made every year because of that fact. Do they? The number of films released in the theatres in the USA in the last decade 2009 - 521 2010 - 538 2011 - 601 2012 - 669 2013 - 689 2014 - 709 2015 - 706 2016 - 737 2017 - 741 2018 - 879 Plus there is an increase of films being produced and released on streaming services.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 9, 2019 18:11:59 GMT
I just looked at boxofficemojo and there is only 1 "superhero" movie in the top 20 at the box office. And that movie is Joker which is a comicbook book movie in name only.
The next one to show up is Spider-Man at number 34. So there are a lots of other types of movie in wide release in theaters. It is a total straw man argument with no basis in reality. Literally hundreds of movies get released every year and maybe a dozen of them are superhero related.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 18:14:27 GMT
And how well do these films do in terms of box-office gross next to the superhero stuff? That's far from an irrelevant question in determining what gets made and what doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 18:18:29 GMT
Honestly it's a real shame. I know Disney Marvel has somewhat of an omnipresence but their quality is consistent. It's more consistent than the quality of movies period. It's October now. Where's the Oscar bait this year? There were eight nominees for BP last year instead of ten and a noticeable lack of star power in the audience. No Streep, no Leo...
Hollywood's been content to crank out C+ movies all year round, even with good actors. What are Matthew McConaughey and Anne Hathaway doing in Serenity. It's not a good movie. It's not offensively bad, but it's not a good movie. They're both good actors, so why are good actors, Oscar winners (both of them) doing in an only passable movie? Why are major studios cranking out so many just passable movies?
Not to go all Vince McMahon but cinema screwed cinema. Half the time, the Marvel movies and the Star Wars' are what gets people through the door for overpriced seats with overpriced popcorn while auteurs are being sought out by Netflix and Amazon.
Nobody wants Disney to be the only game in town but they can afford to play on a level a lot of people can't, even big names like Scorsese are doing straight to Netflix stuff now. Even Meryl Streep is doing TV. If Leo signs up for a Netflix original, it's over.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 9, 2019 18:34:04 GMT
Doesn't she mean Disney's owners are ruining cinema? Why focus on Marvel when it is owned by Disney?
If you check Box Office Mojo the number of films listed are astonishingly few.
So either there are tons of films released to theaters that just slip away over night (I doubt it)
or they are making less movies than they did 20-50 years ago.
Many of the obscure films listed are Christian, Asian, or family films no one has ever heard of.
50 years ago there were many theatrical films in a variety of genres.
Disney and the other big corporations have crowded out theater space for competition (if it existed). Netflix is not competition, it is more like a well-decorated ghetto for those filmmakers like Scorsese who are no longer being hosted by the studios (and replaced with obedient globalist hacks like Watitiwhatever, Midnight Shymalanananaa, and Rayjay Johnson).
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