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Post by dazz on Oct 14, 2019 20:30:18 GMT
@superhero I used to think you were just a fanatical X-Men croney, turns out you are a bonafide doofus, firstly WW came out months BEFORE JL, the success of her own movie prompted DC to feature her far more heavily in the marketing of the film, WW came out June 2017, JL came out Nov 2017 you pillock.
On top of that your clear bias in attempting to claim Batman as the stronger franchise in films is laughable, oh cannot count Venom or the Disney MCU movie because that's not Spidey focused films, but we must include Joker, Suicide Squad and JL bcause Batman/Bruce appear somewhat in them...ok then.
Joker is not a Batman film it's not even a real cbm/DC film, it's an unrelated story about a psychotic clown going postal literally take out the name Gotham, Wayne & Joker and it's not a "DC movie" it's some indy flick called "Tears of a Clown" or some bollocks.
Also yeah completely ignore the other majo issue that Batman "wins" because "Batman" has twice as many movies in it's arsenal, according to Wikipedia's assessment of the characters franchises Spidey sits at $7.2B with just 9 films in the logs, this does not include CW, IW or Endgame, for an average of $801m per film, Batman however logs in with $5.54B and 16 films for an average of $346m per movie...ooh looks like Batman doesn't stack up as well as you claim.
Spiderman since his or their I guess inception in 1968 has accumulated an estimated $28 Billion in revenue, Batman on the other hand clocks in with an estimated $25 Billion in revenue since 1939, so Spidey kick's Batman's butt there also despite Batman once again having the head start. even if you discout the box office numbers that's $21B Spidey to $20B Batman, Spidey wins again, Batman only comes close to matching Spidey if you ignore other factors, and give him addition monetary gains from every potential connected movie whilst not allowing the same for Spidey.
TL:DR Get of Batman's dick, Spidey is the most popular and successful comic book character of all time, so deal with it.
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Post by sostie on Oct 14, 2019 20:32:49 GMT
Looks like Batman surpassed Spider-Man once again. Batman is the biggest-selling comic book superhero in the world. In terms of comic books sold. Actually all time it's Superman with 600 million sales Batman - 477 million Spider-Man - 380 million Which is pretty great from Spider-Mans point of view, because Batmans figures include 14 years worth of sales for two Batman titles, and 3 years of JLA tiotles (at least) that were selling before Spider-Man even arrived. As for now..Batman does sell more...probably because there are more Batman titles than Spider-Man titles Let's look at this properly, on a level playing field, using the same BO figures source (Box Office Mojo) All Theatrically released Batman Films (11) - $4,903,000,000 Suicide Squad - $746,846,894 Justice League - $657,924,295 Joker - $344,928,787 Total = $6,652,699,976 for 14 films All Theatrically released Spider-Man Films (8) - $6,350,400,000 (you included non DCEU Batman films, so I included non MCU Spidey films) Avengers Infinity War - $2,048,359,754 Captain America Civil War - $1,153,304,495 (well you did iclude team films that feature Batman so...) Avengers Endgame - $2,796,274,401 (well he is only in it briefly...like Batman in Suicide Squad) Venom - $856,085,151 (because like Joker, it's a villain film without his associated protagonist) Total: $13,204,423,801 for 12 films I tell you what I'll include just Spider-Man films...and the total is only $300m less than all 14 Batman related films. Oh dear How about the highest grossing Spider-Man headline film vs the highest grossing Batman headline film Spider-Man: Far from Home $1,131,450,163 The Dark Knight Rises $1,084,939,099 Still not looking good. Makes your OP look a bit poorly researched, cherry picked, and hyperbolic doesn't it
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Post by Supperhero on Oct 14, 2019 21:21:41 GMT
Where did you find these figures? Are they worldwide figures? Wikipedia is your source. Well... no. LOL. Try again. Actually, you can see that the Batman titles are #1 in America, wherever the Spider-Man ones aren't. That's life, man. See the monthly charts, year by year. Said that: The Avengers movies feature Spider-Man in a very limited role. It's a glorified cameo. Said that, Spidey was depicted in three movies featuring very successful solo superheroes having solo movies under their belts LMAO. There are no successful movies about Green Goblin, Electro, Dr. Octopus, Shocker and Prowler. Otherwise, they would be part of the Spider-Man franchise as well. Batman wins over Spider-Man. Well, I like Spider-Man, so no hostility here, I'm just stating the truth. P.s: VENOM doesn't count. He is a superhero, not a supervillain (anymore). He has no spider-like powers and costume in the movieverse. It's a standalone character, sorry. 
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Post by Supperhero on Oct 14, 2019 21:27:25 GMT
JUSTICE LEAGUE was a "Batman and his superfriends" movie. Batman was the lead character, he was driving the story, he was the founder and the leader of the Justice League.
Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg had no solo movies at that point. Superman was a secondary character. Wonder Woman was the only true counterpart for Batman on that.
It's a Batman movie.
JOKER keeps grossing... I guess 800 million dollars is a lock. We'll see. Interesting.
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Post by dazz on Oct 14, 2019 22:19:02 GMT
Where did you find these figures? Are they worldwide figures? Wikipedia is your source. Well... no. LOL. Try again. Actually, you can see that the Batman titles are #1 in America, wherever the Spider-Man ones aren't. That's life, man. See the monthly charts, year by year. Said that: The Avengers movies feature Spider-Man in a very limited role. It's a glorified cameo. Said that, Spidey was depicted in three movies featuring very successful solo superheroes having solo movies under their belts LMAO. There are no successful movies about Green Goblin, Electro, Dr. Octopus, Shocker and Prowler. Otherwise, they would be part of the Spider-Man franchise as well. Batman wins over Spider-Man. Well, I like Spider-Man, so no hostility here, I'm just stating the truth. P.s: VENOM doesn't count. He is a superhero, not a supervillain (anymore). He has no spider-like powers and costume in the movieverse. It's a standalone character, sorry. Those numbers are worldwide where as I think the monthly figures that get released tend to be US based, and the source isn't Wikipedia, you dummy, Wikipedia is simply where those figures can be easily found, but also tracked back to a source in this case www.statista.com/statistics/583041/best-selling-comic-books/, so before spouting off like a dick maybe engage the ole noodle and think.
Batman is currently more popular than Spidey domestically in terms of comic sales, but then Spidey is also NOT the be all end all of an entire publisher like Batman is, Marvel actually has less insentive to make Spidey too overwhelming a character as they do not 100% own the rights to the character due to the Sony deal, only thing is Spidey is so popular similar to X-Men Marvel are unwilling to cut their nose to spite their face, if he were less popular ala F4 they would discontinue the IP to try and kill ongoing interest in it like they did with their first family.
Spidey however is far and away the more popular global character, see where Batman is super popular stateside he isn't that much bigger than Superman internationally, overall Batman has the edge due to his increased US popularity but you get outside of the states and Batman's overall popularity take a dip, Spidey not so much, he's as popular globally as he is nationally, which means he is mile a head more popular than either Superman or Batman even to this day.
Also just because you don't count Venom doesn't mean he doesn't count, Joker is literally a Joker in name only movie, Phoenix and Phillips have I think even come out and said they hated doing the tie in stuff to the DC property, it isn't a cbm, a superhero movie or even a Joker movie, they just used the IP to get 100x more press, attention and box office they would have if this had just been about some random clown.
You want to know the difference between Joker & Venom? Venom is intended to be the launching off point for an entire Spidey based cinematic universe, the thing that ties that universe together, why Sony only have the rights to those characters because they are Spider-Man characters, that is literally the deal they made with Marvel, Sony owns ALL Spidey characters, Joker is a unconnected film intended to be a one off that had to force the IP names from Batman lore into it's script to get the budget and attention needed to make it such a to do, Venom is 1000% more a Spidey film than Joker is a Batman film for this very reason.
And trying to discount spidey in CW or IW but claim the connection to Batman in Suicide Squad is fucking stupid, Batman is a glorified cameo in that movie, same with "Joker" and that's being kind, Spidey actually is a featured player in IW being one of the 10 most feature characters screentime wise, far more so than Steve Rogers or Black Widow, again making the top 10 screentime for Civil War also, both of which more than double Batmans screen time in Suicide Squad, so either way you try to slice it if you want to include Suicide Squad & Joker you have to also include CW & IW or admit you are just being a biased numpty.
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Post by Supperhero on Oct 14, 2019 23:13:08 GMT
Unfortunately for you, you're wrong and your assumptions are wrong.
SUICIDE SQUAD is a movie about the villains of the Batman franchise: Harley Quinn, Joker, Deadshot, Killer Croc. There are no superheroes on it (except Batman).
Batman appears.
So, it's a movie belonging to the BATMAN franchise.
JOKER is a movie about the greatest archenemy of Batman. It also serves as origin movie for the Waynes. Bruce Wayne is on it. Thomas Wayne is on it. The movie is set in Gotham City.
Joker is not a superhero. He is the biggest archenemy of Batman.
So, it's a movie belonging to the BATMAN franchise.
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Post by Supperhero on Oct 14, 2019 23:21:04 GMT
No way. You can't imagine how much Batman is more popular than Spider-Man globally.
Among the other things:
BATMAN ANIMATED SERIES:
Featuring Batman[edit]
•1993: Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, an animated theatrical feature tie-in for Batman: The Animated Series; starring Kevin Conroy as Batman, Mark Hamill as the Joker, and Dana Delany as Andrea Beaumont/The Phantasm
•1998: Subzero, set in the continuity of Batman: The Animated Series, with Kevin Conroy voicing Batman
•2000: Return of the Joker, set in the continuity of Batman Beyond, with Will Friedle and Kevin Conroy voicing Batman
•2003: Mystery of the Batwoman, set in the continuity of The New Batman Adventures, with Kevin Conroy voicing Batman
•2005: The Batman vs. Dracula, set in the continuity of The Batman, with Rino Romano voicing Batman
•2010: Under the Red Hood, an adaptation of Batman: Under the Hood, with Bruce Greenwood voicing Batman
•2011: Year One, an adaptation of Batman: Year One, with Benjamin McKenzie voicing Batman
•2012: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns - Part 1, an adaptation of the first half of The Dark Knight Returns, with Peter Weller voicing Batman
•2013: The Dark Knight Returns - Part 2, an adaptation of the second half of The Dark Knight Returns, with Peter Weller voicing Batman
•2013: DC Super Heroes Unite with Troy Baker voicing Batman
•2014: Son of Batman, a loose adaptation of Batman and Son, with Jason O'Mara voicing Batman
•2014: Assault on Arkham, set in the continuity of Batman: Arkham, with Kevin Conroy voicing Batman
•2015: Batman vs. Robin, a loose adaptation of Court of Owls,[3] with Jason O'Mara voicing Batman
•2015: Batman Unlimited: Animal Instincts, with Roger Craig Smith voicing Batman
•2015: Batman Unlimited: Monster Mayhem, with Roger Craig Smith voicing Batman
•2016: Batman Unlimited: Mechs vs. Mutants, with Roger Craig Smith voicing Batman
•2016: Batman: Bad Blood, an animated film also featuring Batwoman and Batwing with Jason O'Mara voicing Batman and Sean Maher voicing Dick Grayson/Nightwing as Batman
•2016: Batman: The Killing Joke, an adaptation of Batman: The Killing Joke, with Kevin Conroy voicing Batman
•2016: Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders, an animated film based on the contemporaneous Batman television series; starring Adam West as Batman, Burt Ward as Robin, and Julie Newmar as Catwoman
•2017: Batman and Harley Quinn, an original animated film in the style of Batman: The Animated Series, with Kevin Conroy voicing Batman
•2017: Batman vs. Two-Face, an animated film based on the 1960s Batman television series; starring Adam West as Batman, Burt Ward as Robin, and Julie Newmar as Catwoman
•2018: Batman: Gotham by Gaslight, an animated film based on the graphic novel, with Bruce Greenwood voicing Batman.
•2018: Batman Ninja, a Japanese CG-animated film by Kamikaze Douga,[4] with Kōichi Yamadera and Roger Craig Smith voicing Batman in Japanese and English respectively.
•2019: Batman: Hush, an animated film based on the Batman: Hush comic book story arc, with Jason O'Mara voicing Batman
BATMAN ON TV:
•1966–68: Batman starring Adam West and Burt Ward as Bruce Wayne/Batman and Dick Grayson/Robin respectively.
•1972: "Equal pay" Public Service Announcement featuring Dick Gautier as Batman, Burt Ward as Robin, and Yvonne Craig as Batgirl.
•1979: Legends of the Superheroes by Hanna Barbera, featuring West and Ward as Batman and Robin.[6]
•1995: Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, features a cameo appearance of the Batmobile from the film Batman (1989) in the episode "Don't Tug on Superman's Cape", implying that the wealthy couple Tim and Amber Lake (Jonathan Frakes and Genie Francis) stole it from Batman. Batman is also mentioned in the next episode "Ultra Woman".
•2001: Batman OnStar commercials, a television advertising campaign for OnStar featuring Bruce Thomas as Batman and Michael Gough as Alfred, and followed the visual style of the 1989–97 film series.
•2001: Smallville features a brief glimpse of Batman. In the episode "Hourglass", Batman's dead body can briefly be seen behind Lex Luthor in a vision.
•2002: Birds of Prey, TV series that briefly showed Batman in the first episode and in a recap during the opening credits. The actor remains uncredited.
•2017: Powerless: Batman is seen in the opening theme, and mentioned throughout the show. One of the main characters is actually Bruce Wayne's cousin, Van Wayne.
•2018: Titans: Batman appears in the season finale in a dream sequence created by Raven's father Trigon with Alain Moussi and Maxim Savarias portraying Batman as stunt doubles.[7][8] Iain Glen portrayed Bruce Wayne / Batman for the show's second season.[9] As a result, Bruce is portrayed much older than most versions. Bruce is visited by Dick after the defeat of Trigon, allowing Dick to restart the Titans on the condition that Robin II be a member.
Gotham
In 2014, Warner Bros. Television and Fox Network premiered the series Gotham with show creator Bruno Heller, which focuses on James Gordon (played by Ben McKenzie), a detective solving Thomas and Martha Wayne's murder.[11][12] The pilot began filming in March 2014 and features Bruce Wayne (played by David Mazouz) at 12 years old. Fox Chairman Kevin Reilly revealed that the series has an origin story of Wayne becoming Batman in the final episode, and origin stories for Riddler, Penguin, Joker and Catwoman. The series has a similar tone to the Christopher Nolan Batman films.[13] Danny Cannon directed the pilot and executive produces the series.[14] In the series finale, Mazouz suited up as Batman in close ups along with actor and real estate salesperson Mikhail Mudrik as Batman in the suit.[15] Mudrik serving as a stand in as Mazouz wasn't 6 foot 4, the showrunners height preference for their Batman [16]
... and now, there's Batwoman. 1,8 million viewers for the first episode.
That's it, guys. The Bat is the winner.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 15, 2019 4:16:32 GMT
Troll alert.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 15, 2019 5:48:09 GMT
its not a competition between batman and spiderman. I equally love both and wish them sucess.
give me spiderman 2 and batman begins over any mcu immature movie.
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2019 6:15:53 GMT
Unfortunately for you, you're wrong and your assumptions are wrong. SUICIDE SQUAD is a movie about the villains of the Batman franchise: Harley Quinn, Joker, Deadshot, Killer Croc. There are no superheroes on it (except Batman). Batman appears. So, it's a movie belonging to the BATMAN franchise. JOKER is a movie about the greatest archenemy of Batman. It also serves as origin movie for the Waynes. Bruce Wayne is on it. Thomas Wayne is on it. The movie is set in Gotham City. Joker is not a superhero. He is the biggest archenemy of Batman. So, it's a movie belonging to the BATMAN franchise. Deadshot & Harley are both also considered Anti-Heroes for one you dipstick, Boomerang is also a Flash villain, Enchantress isn't a Batman villain either, and "Joker" is not about Joker you ignorant troll, it is a movie they slapped some DC IP names on so they could get a bigger budget and box office for, the lead actor and director have all but came out and said they loathed having to incorporate the minor DC tie ins to the movie, that's not the Joker, it's some sad sack pyscho in clown make up not one of the 2 greatest supervillains of all time.
Yeah none of that means anything as that's just DC & WB pimping out the character which is again not due to Batman being so much more popular than Spidey but him being the only character DC has had faith in for almost 30 years, which they have also self produced like 99% of all of his content, compare that to Spidey who also has had or featured in prominently mind you not mere allusions to over 16 different TV shows over the years the majority of which are his own shows, 14 theatrically released live action movies, 3 animated movies, 35 different video games and a live stage show.
Marvel themselves only created the 3 MCU crossover movies and the 4 most recent TV appearances for Spidey, otherwise that's 3rd parties licensing the character, which given Spidey spent about a decade tied up in litigation and again Batman has existed for 30 years longer than Spidey shows just how popular Spidey is, because he's been so heavily featured despite Marvel also having heavy hitters like the X-Men and now you can include Iron Man, Captain America, Thor & Hulk in their IP arsenal, yet Spidey remains a dominant figure despite him not fully being owned by Marvel unlike say Batman is with DC.
Oh yeah and don't forget the $2 BILLION extra dollars the Spidey Franchise alone has grossed over Bats despite being 3o years younger a franchise, it's almost like Spidey is more popular...
Then there is this.
Hmm would you look at that, despite Batman being DC's biggest character he still pales in comparison to the Spider guy, who would of ever thunk it? And what's that Batman's popularity severely decreases outside of north America? I mean what are the odds of that right?
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Post by Supperhero on Oct 15, 2019 10:54:18 GMT
I think you're deeply confused here. Refresh your mind. You're climbing on the mirrors, and that's sad.
This is delusional.
Without counting SUICIDE SQUAD, JUSTICE LEAGUE and JOKER, BATMAN grossed 25 billion dollars. That chart is not even precise, because it doesn't take in account the mammoth Batman merchandising sold all around the world.
Guys, it's not my fault if Batman is bigger than Spider-Man, even if I'm a Batman fan. Nothing beats the Bat.
JOKER will cross the 700 million dollars mark by the end of this week, and will also grab some Oscars as well. The Bat Family resonates with people more, that's undeniable.
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2019 14:34:22 GMT
I think you're deeply confused here. Refresh your mind. You're climbing on the mirrors, and that's sad. This is delusional. Without counting SUICIDE SQUAD, JUSTICE LEAGUE and JOKER, BATMAN grossed 25 billion dollars. That chart is not even precise, because it doesn't take in account the mammoth Batman merchandising sold all around the world. Guys, it's not my fault if Batman is bigger than Spider-Man, even if I'm a Batman fan. Nothing beats the Bat. JOKER will cross the 700 million dollars mark by the end of this week, and will also grab some Oscars as well. The Bat Family resonates with people more, that's undeniable. Actually it does, what do you think Retail sales – $20.202 billion is referring to? especially as it lists under that Home video – $1.212 billion meaning Batman in 80 years has sold $18.9B in combined comics, merch, video and arcade games, where as Spidey is simply listed as selling a combined $18.473b in just 50 years, Batman outsold Spidey in terms of long term retail but only due to having almost twice as long to do so.
Take the Bat-Cock out of your mouth, and your nose out of the Bat-Sphincter and just accept it Spidey is THE most popular superhero.
Or you know keep ignoring any relevant counterpoints rather than refute them because you are too thick to, hey how about this these are the retail numbers for Spiderman & Batman anuually from 2013 to 2017
$1.333 billion in 2013. $1.453 billion in 2014. $1.512 billion in 2015. $1.551 billion in 2016. $1.402 billion in 2017 2013 – $494 million
2014 – $578 million
2015 – $982 million
2016 – $1.1 billion
2017 – $1.024 billion
And before you start pissing and whining like a twat again about "it's not accurate, what you used wiki meeh" this are figures cited from multiple sources not just random goofball entries, see Batman is slightly catching up to Spidey but he is well and away in the lead $7 Billion+ over the $4 Billion + of Batman between 2013 and 2017, but what you think Batman has maybe tripled his retail sales in the last 2 years to exceed Spidey? not likely, and that is why Spidey kicks the shit out of Batman...SUCK IT!!
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Post by Moviefreak on Oct 15, 2019 14:35:31 GMT
its not a competition between batman and spiderman. I equally love both and wish them sucess. give me spiderman 2 and batman begins over any mcu immature movie. Infinity War, Iron Man, Endgame, Winter Soldier, Civil War and The Avengers are equally as mature to those movies. |
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Post by sostie on Oct 15, 2019 18:23:29 GMT
Guys, it's not my fault if Batman is bigger than Spider-Man, even if I'm a Batman fan. Nothing beats the Bat. I'd stop now if I was you. You've already lost. It's just painful, desperate and troll-y
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Post by ReyKahuka on Oct 15, 2019 18:28:57 GMT
You're counting Suicide Squad as a Batman movie but not counting Civil War and IW for Spider-Man. Ok.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 15, 2019 18:32:37 GMT
You're counting Suicide Squad as a Batman movie but not counting Civil War and IW for Spider-Man. Ok. Like I said: Troll alert.
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Post by ReyKahuka on Oct 15, 2019 18:35:40 GMT
You're counting Suicide Squad as a Batman movie but not counting Civil War and IW for Spider-Man. Ok. Like I said: Troll alert. I just want him to put some effort into it. Joker isn't even a Batman film for that matter. The Batman references are completely unnecessary and take you out of the movie.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 15, 2019 18:49:34 GMT
Looks like Batman surpassed Spider-Man once again. Batman is the biggest-selling comic book superhero in the world. In terms of comic books sold. Said that, his movies surpass Spider-Man's again. Total gross of the Batman movies:$4,992,988,243 + $746.8 million Suicide Squad (no superheroes; Batman appears; featuring Joker and Harley Quinn, as well as other Bat-villains) + $657.9 million Justice League (Batman as main character, Superman as secondary character - WW, Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg at that point still not having had solo movies) + Joker... (almost 550 million dollars and COUNTING) When you think of Spider-Man, Avengers movies don't count at all for so many reasons. I hope you didn't pull a muscle doing this stretch.
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Post by TheCat on Oct 15, 2019 18:54:42 GMT
its not a competition between batman and spiderman. I equally love both and wish them sucess. give me spiderman 2 and batman begins over any mcu immature movie. Infinity War, Iron Man, Endgame, Winter Soldier, Civil War and The Avengers are equally as mature to those movies. Yeah I don't know where this idea popped up that superhero movies outside the MCU are suddenly the mature alternative. I have leftovers in my fridge older than this line of thought.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 15, 2019 19:00:26 GMT
hey look at me i’m mature No you are most certainly not.
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