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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 15, 2019 20:16:31 GMT
Like I said: Troll alert. I just want him to put some effort into it. Joker isn't even a Batman film for that matter. The Batman references are completely unnecessary and take you out of the movie. They are necessary. That was THE JOKER. Joaquin was THE character from the comic books - a rearrangment of it, of course, but still THE JOKER. The movie features the Waynes, the movie features Gotham City, the movie features THE ORIGINS OF JOKER AND BATMAN. JOKER is not a superhero, but the biggest archenemy of Batman. It's very very very very delusional to think this movie doesn't belong to the Batman franchise, as well as SUICIDE SQUAD and JUSTICE LEAGUE. LMAO. The Avengers movies don't belong to the Spider-Man franchise at all, I think it's time for you to deal with the truth. Nothing wrong with having Batman being far more popular than Spidey in the world. Spidey is still huge, so don't worry.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 15, 2019 20:18:14 GMT
I think you're deeply confused here. Refresh your mind. You're climbing on the mirrors, and that's sad. This is delusional. Without counting SUICIDE SQUAD, JUSTICE LEAGUE and JOKER, BATMAN grossed 25 billion dollars. That chart is not even precise, because it doesn't take in account the mammoth Batman merchandising sold all around the world. Guys, it's not my fault if Batman is bigger than Spider-Man, even if I'm a Batman fan. Nothing beats the Bat. JOKER will cross the 700 million dollars mark by the end of this week, and will also grab some Oscars as well. The Bat Family resonates with people more, that's undeniable.
Take the Bat-Cock out of your mouth, and your nose out of the Bat-Sphincter and just accept it Spidey is THE most popular superhero.
You've been reported for bad language, trolling, flaming and overall detachment from reality. You're delusional, man. Come back to Earth. You're welcomed.
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2019 20:34:59 GMT
You've been reported for bad language, trolling, flaming and detachment from reality. By all means report and continue acting like a brainless numpty, but that doesn't change the character that you clearly Like most of all is nothing but second fiddle to the wall crawling superiority of the worlds true and undisputed number One superhero, that's right the boy in the red and blue who is the ultimate, amazing and superior character the Worlds greatest superhero of all time, SPIDER-MAN!!
Maybe speaking more clearly will help you understand the reality you find yourself in, on this planet that we call Earth Spiderman is the most popular, the most profitable and relatable superhero, Batman is a very distant second.
Doubting this simply means you have disconnected from reality and are living in a completely fictitious and Imagined world where facts, such as those listed already do not matter because it clashes with your own Pathetic narrative where you had to literally add every additional film possible to one whilst at the same time Stripping away everything even remotely unconnected to the other, and even then all you mange to do is Help Batman barely close the gap between the two superheroes, all the while blatantly turning a blind eye and Ignoring the obvious fact that Batman even with supplemental financial support only barely equates to Spidey's Theatrical success by having over double the amount of films and averaging less than half as much as a Spidey film.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 15, 2019 20:44:35 GMT
You've been reported for bad language, trolling, flaming and detachment from reality. By all means report and continue acting like a brainless numpty,
Your lame and childish insults are your clear way to deal with the world, since you've got a very fragile personality and you're 100% wrong about this argument. Your lame and childish insults are a way to attack people when people show you that you're wrong. Numbers speak loud. Batman is the winner. That's it, man. Spider-Man is still hugely popular, especially among kids. Batman is a very adult-oriented superhero, and the most profitable between the two.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 15, 2019 20:53:08 GMT
This thread gave me cancer.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 15, 2019 20:59:37 GMT
By all means report and continue acting like a brainless numpty,
Your lame and childish insults are your clear way to deal with the world, since you've got a very fragile personality and you're 100% wrong about this argument. Your lame and childish insults are a way to attack people when people show you that you're wrong. Numbers speak loud. Batman is the winner. That's it, man. Spider-Man is still hugely popular, especially among kids. Batman is a very adult-oriented superhero, and the most profitable between the two. What did Batman win? Who came up with the rules for this competition? Why would an adult care what Comicbook character is the winner of a made up game/competition? That is a childish way of thinking. It speaks to black and white judgement process. People who are preoccupied with whether a piece of art is mature or not is the easiest to pick out as immature.
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2019 21:31:58 GMT
By all means report and continue acting like a brainless numpty,
Your lame and childish insults are your clear way to deal with the world, since you've got a very fragile personality and you're 100% wrong about this argument. Your lame and childish insults are a way to attack people when people show you that you're wrong. Numbers speak loud. Batman is the winner. That's it, man. Spider-Man is still hugely popular, especially among kids. Batman is a very adult-oriented superhero, and the most profitable between the two. Which numbers again? oh yes the arbitrary ones where you accumulate EVERY conceivable positive to assign Batman, whilst also refusing any property not actually named Spider-Man to be counted towards Spider-Man and in which case Batman BARELY outdraws Spiderman, and only in box office numbers, not accounting for the fact that Spider-Man spent over a decade tied up in court making movies impossible, or not having a studio in place to back a movie, compared to Batman a studio owned property for decades prior to the first film, or that Batman to do so has to have over double the amount of movies as Spiderman, and ignoring the numbers I provided where even at Batman's peak and Spidey lowest point in the last decade Spidey has outsold Batman by several hundreds of millions of dollars...those numbers you mean?
And here Ik though I insulted you because A: YOU DUMB, and B: It amuses me, I don't see how either shows a fragile personality, and you haven't shown me to be wrong, you have shown yourself to be an ignorant, deluded fool with a batarang stuck up his hoohaw, which btw is very unsanitary.
But you continue being a dumb fuck, i'll continue to call you one, everyone wins that way.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 15, 2019 22:42:09 GMT
LMAO, let's start from comic book sales. Batman destroys Spidey. That's reality, man. Escape from the Matrix.
You must be a 14 years old videogame nerd who happens to love Spider-Man like all kids do. Well, it's okay, kid, Spidey is big and fun. Not bigger than Batman, Batman wins over him in terms of comic book sales, box office, popularity and fame.
Numbers and people speak loud.
Call me when the Dr. Octopus solo movie wins an Oscar or gross 800 million dollars WW. LMAO.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 15, 2019 22:43:56 GMT
I just want him to put some effort into it. Joker isn't even a Batman film for that matter. The Batman references are completely unnecessary and take you out of the movie. They are necessary. That was THE JOKER. Joaquin was THE character from the comic books - a rearrangment of it, of course, but still THE JOKER. The movie features the Waynes, the movie features Gotham City, the movie features THE ORIGINS OF JOKER AND BATMAN. JOKER is not a superhero, but the biggest archenemy of Batman. It's very very very very delusional to think this movie doesn't belong to the Batman franchise, as well as SUICIDE SQUAD and JUSTICE LEAGUE. LMAO. The Avengers movies don't belong to the Spider-Man franchise at all, I think it's time for you to deal with the truth. Nothing wrong with having Batman being far more popular than Spidey in the world. Spidey is still huge, so don't worry. Using this logic then you agree Venom is also a Spiderman movie.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 15, 2019 22:46:42 GMT
They are necessary. That was THE JOKER. Joaquin was THE character from the comic books - a rearrangment of it, of course, but still THE JOKER. The movie features the Waynes, the movie features Gotham City, the movie features THE ORIGINS OF JOKER AND BATMAN. JOKER is not a superhero, but the biggest archenemy of Batman. It's very very very very delusional to think this movie doesn't belong to the Batman franchise, as well as SUICIDE SQUAD and JUSTICE LEAGUE. LMAO. The Avengers movies don't belong to the Spider-Man franchise at all, I think it's time for you to deal with the truth. Nothing wrong with having Batman being far more popular than Spidey in the world. Spidey is still huge, so don't worry. Using this logic then you agree Venom is also a Spiderman movie. Venom is a solo superhero, not a supervillain (anymore). Also, they cut any visual and conceptual associations with Spider-Man in the movie. Venom has a successful comic book solo title since decades, it's regarded as a solo superhero.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 15, 2019 23:06:00 GMT
Using this logic then you agree Venom is also a Spiderman movie. Venom is a solo superhero, not a supervillain (anymore). Also, they cut any visual and conceptual associations with Spider-Man in the movie. Venom has a successful comic book solo title since decades, it's regarded as a solo superhero. So I assume then that you didn't count the Catwoman movie in your tally for the Batman movies?
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 15, 2019 23:13:23 GMT
Venom is a solo superhero, not a supervillain (anymore). Also, they cut any visual and conceptual associations with Spider-Man in the movie. Venom has a successful comic book solo title since decades, it's regarded as a solo superhero. So I assume then that you didn't count the Catwoman movie in your tally for the Batman movies? It just grossed 100 million dollars (it was a flop), BUT: Catwoman is not a superhero. She's a Bat-villain as well, like Harley Quinn. Even the 2004 solo movie is vague about it. Said that, there's a picture of Pfeiffer's Catwoman featured in the movie (in-universe), so in many ways it's a movie connected to "Returns". Even Catwoman 2's origins are consistent with Catwoman 1's ones. So yes, it's part of the Batman franchise as well.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 15, 2019 23:20:34 GMT
So I assume then that you didn't count the Catwoman movie in your tally for the Batman movies? It just grossed 100 million dollars (it was a flop), BUT: Catwoman is not a superhero. She's a Bat-villain as well, like Harley Quinn. Even the 2004 solo movie is vague about it. Said that, there's a picture of Pfeiffer's Catwoman featured in the movie (in-universe), so in many ways it's a movie connected to "Returns". Even Catwoman 2's origins are consistent with Catwoman 1's ones. So yes, it's part of the Batman franchise as well. Catwoman is a villain turned anti-hero, same way Venom is a villain turned anti-hero. There was nothing vague about her 2004 movie, she was clearly the hero of that movie. So if you count Catwoman as a Batman movie but don't count Venom as a Spiderman movie, then we know you're either ridiculously biased or are just plain trolling. So... which is it?
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2019 23:35:36 GMT
LMAO, let's start from comic book sales. Batman destroys Spidey. That's reality, man. Escape from the Matrix. You must be a 14 years old videogame nerd who happens to love Spider-Man like all kids do. Well, it's okay, kid, Spidey is big and fun. Not bigger than Batman, Batman wins over him in terms of comic book sales, box office, popularity and fame. Numbers and people speak loud. Call me when the Dr. Octopus solo movie wins an Oscar or gross 800 million dollars WW. LMAO. Really because you aren't even citing anything, just staing "lolz batman winz" thinking that's an argument, I actually provided figures which prove Spidey is by BILLIONS far more profitable than Batman in the last decade in merch sales, I mean you can claim Batman's superiority if you like but when the unequivocal fact of the matter remains that any "edge" Batman has over Spider-Man is due to the sheer volume of products put out featuring him compared to Spidey, the 30 years of additional revenue, and the 10+ years of movies that could be made whilst Spider-Man was held up in legislation and rights issues.
These are not my selections but unbiased 3rd parties, according to BOM Spiderman films consist of 8 movies, Venom and the MCU team ups not included, with a combined BO of $6.35B for an average of $793.8M a film, whilst Wikipedia tracks it as $7,213,124,350 over 9 films, Venom included for an average of $801,458,261, Batman however tracks in at $4.9B at 10 films, Joker, Justice League & Suicide Squad not included, for an average of $490M a movie or if you also wish to include Mask of The Phantasm that total increases by $12m but is reduced in the Average by $44m, where as Wiki has it coming in at $5,544,387,904 over 16 for an average of $346,524,244, this does also includes Joker & Catwoman, so either way you slice it Spidey is considered the far more lucrative property as it made more with less and has a significantly higher average drawing power.
It's not that I am a huge Spidey fan so to speak, personally I am a Superman guy, I love the character and associated characters, but I love almost all Batman related characters, Batman himself I am sick of though as he is the most over protected, over produced cancer of a comic property there is, he's the John Cena of DC, he's the only property that sells because he's the only property they produce, it's a self fulfilling prophecy, he's also a ridiculous character who despite being a normal human has senses and reflexes that put speedsters, Kryptonians, Martians and gods to shame for no reason other than "he's Batman", I am simply pointing out your he's Batman so he wins argument it faulty, flawed, wrong, blatantly false and ignorant of actual facts and figures.
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Post by dazz on Oct 15, 2019 23:39:25 GMT
It just grossed 100 million dollars (it was a flop), BUT: Catwoman is not a superhero. She's a Bat-villain as well, like Harley Quinn. Even the 2004 solo movie is vague about it. Said that, there's a picture of Pfeiffer's Catwoman featured in the movie (in-universe), so in many ways it's a movie connected to "Returns". Even Catwoman 2's origins are consistent with Catwoman 1's ones. So yes, it's part of the Batman franchise as well. Catwoman is a villain turned anti-hero, same way Venom is a villain turned anti-hero. There was nothing vague about her 2004 movie, she was clearly the hero of that movie. So if you count Catwoman as a Batman movie but don't count Venom as a Spiderman movie, then we know you're either ridiculously biased or are just plain trolling. So... which is it? You forgot option 3 and 4, 3: He's unequivocally stupid, 4- All of the above, my money is on #4.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 16, 2019 10:40:11 GMT
You got a very fragile, weak and delicate personality, fragmented. That's the inner source of your anger. You don't even know which character you truly like. You don't even know if you're a fan or not.
People and worldwide public prefer Batman over Spider-Man. That's a fact. Batman is the more profitable out of the two. Spidey is more a kids' thing, you know. Batman is the adult superhero featuring larger than life, globally acclaimed villains.
Actually, the Batman Movie Franchise is composed of 13 movies and the upcoming titles:
Birds of Prey The Batman The Suicide Squad
That's life.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 16, 2019 10:50:52 GMT
In the 2004 Catwoman movie, they created a subtle and smart link to the Burton movies. Patience's source of cat-powers as well as having Pfeiffer's Catwoman appearing on a picture IN-UNIVERSE. The movie belongs to the Batman Franchise.
Said that, Catwoman has been a Bat-villain for most of her comic book life. She's 100% a Bat-villain inside the public perception. It's the general consensus. Case closed.
The "VENOM" movie is a superhero movie. Venom is a superhero. They stripped Venom of any reference to Spider-Man. His powers are not spider-like anymore. His "costume" is totally unrelated to Spider-Man. "Venom" is not part of the Spider-Man Movie Franchise.
That's life, guys.
Call me if they film "Electro" and win some Oscar LMAO.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 16, 2019 11:03:18 GMT
Summing it up:
The Batman Movie Franchise (so far):
Batman (1966) Batman (1989) Batman Returns (1992) Batman Forever (1995) Batman & Robin (1997) Catwoman (2004) Batman Begins (2005) The Dark Knight (2008) The Dark Knight Rises (2012) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) Suicide Squad (2016) Justice League (2017) Joker (2019) Birds of Prey (2020) The Batman (2021) The Suicide Squad (2021)
Massive live action TV series hits:
Batman (1966-1968) Gotham (2014-2019) Batwoman (2019)
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 16, 2019 11:05:42 GMT
In the 2004 Catwoman movie, they created a subtle and smart link to the Burton movies. Patience's source of cat-powers as well as having Pfeiffer's Catwoman appearing on a picture IN-UNIVERSE. The movie belongs to the Batman Franchise. Said that, Catwoman has been a Bat-villain for most of her comic book life. She's 100% a Bat-villain inside the public perception. It's the general consensus. Case closed. The "VENOM" movie is a superhero movie. Venom is a superhero. They stripped Venom of any reference to Spider-Man. His powers are not spider-like anymore. His "costume" is totally unrelated to Spider-Man. "Venom" is not part of the Spider-Man Movie Franchise. That's life, guys. Call me if they film "Electro" and win some Oscar LMAO. What do you get out of this on a personal level? I mean you spent how many hours trying to come up with a way to fix all the continuity problems of the Fox X-men timelines. You did this with a manic fervor over multiple threads having to do mental gymnastics and tried to get people to accept it. Now that Fox X-men is over, you've turned that manic eye on proving Batman is the most Profitable Comic Book Character. Using the same mental gymnastics to prove the point. Given cold hard facts each time you have to bend, twist, and spin everything to your original thesis. Even when taking your mental gymnastics into account dazz brought you hard figures and you couldn't counter the raw numbers. You just counter with the proverbial"nuhuh" I'm going to ask something here and don't think I'm insulting you. Full disclosure I deal with Depression/Anxiety so I would never make fun, but are you on the Spectrum? It's hard to tell through text, but you seem to get real anal retentive when it comes to subjects you feel people should think the same way you do.
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Post by sostie on Oct 16, 2019 11:07:57 GMT
Massive live action TV series hits: Gotham (2014-2019) Batwoman (2019)
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