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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 16, 2019 21:47:06 GMT
No.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 16, 2019 23:36:58 GMT
It's a movie which belongs to the Batman franchise and features Bruce Wayne as well as his family.
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Post by James on Oct 16, 2019 23:41:52 GMT
Not exactly.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 17, 2019 0:51:44 GMT
It's a movie which belongs to the Batman franchise and features Bruce Wayne as well as his family. It would belong to a Batman franchise if they made a sequel with Batman, but they NEVER WILL.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 17, 2019 2:04:32 GMT
Does he receive a Batarang at the end of the movie from Commissioner Gordon and says "I'll look into it."? Cut to black.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 17, 2019 2:47:03 GMT
It's as much a Batman movie as Far From Home is an Iron Man movie.
Idiot's will say it is. Others will say it isn't.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 17, 2019 2:54:58 GMT
It's as much a Batman movie as Far From Home is an Iron Man movie. Idiot's will say it is. Others will say it isn't. Actually I’d say it’s less of a Batman movie than Far From Home is an Iron Man movie because Iron Man actually existed in the universe of Far From Home while Batman never existed in the universe of Joker. 8 year old Bruce Wayne ≠ Batman. I’m half-kidding by the way. Half.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 17, 2019 11:20:29 GMT
It's a movie which belongs to the Batman franchise and features Bruce Wayne as well as his family. It would belong to a Batman franchise if they made a sequel with Batman, but they NEVER WILL. Not correct. It belongs to the BATMAN FRANCHISE, regardless any sequel. The movie features the Waynes, Arthur Fleck is related to the Waynes, the setting is Gotham City, there's Bruce Wayne on it and, most importantly: The movie is about the origins of the most iconic and biggest archenemy of BATMAN. Deal with it, kid. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 13:10:55 GMT
Hell no, Bruce Wayne is a child
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 17, 2019 15:41:54 GMT
No. In fact, the forced Wayne family stuff is distracting and takes away from the film.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 17, 2019 19:29:39 GMT
No. In fact, the forced Wayne family stuff is distracting and takes away from the film. LMAO, I guess you didn't get the PLOT.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 17, 2019 19:35:10 GMT
No. In fact, the forced Wayne family stuff is distracting and takes away from the film. LMAO, I guess you didn't get the PLOT. Having socks is against the rules.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 17, 2019 20:04:41 GMT
It's a movie which belongs to the Batman franchise and features Bruce Wayne as well as his family. For the purposes of defining an IP, of course it's 'a Batman movie.' But that's not what the OP is asking. I liked Joker a lot, but it doesn't feel like a Batman movie and doesn't need to be viewed as one. You could watch this film without any knowledge of the Batman franchise and nothing would change. In my opinion you're better served blocking out the references to the Batman mythos and just watching Arthur's story unfold.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 18, 2019 19:57:57 GMT
At the risk of being labeled an idiot by hobowar, I will say yes. The movie deliberately parallels the birth of the Joker with the birth of Batman. Bruce's father helps create Joker, and then Joker helps create Batman.
The emphasis on economic disparity and lack of mental health care and the smug indifference exuded by the wealthy (especially his own father) is arguably making a point about what Batman chooses to fight itself.
The inclusion of Bruce, his dad, and what happens in Crime Alley aren't accidents or just fanboy nudges. The final scene is Joker laughing to himself intercut with the iconic shot of Bruce standing over his dead parents - everything coming full circle.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 20, 2019 3:02:11 GMT
No.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 20, 2019 17:39:17 GMT
No it definitely isn’t. It’s a Joker movie with Bruce Wayne playing the dark inversion of that kid from Batman Begins.
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