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Post by rizdek on Oct 22, 2019 10:52:02 GMT
And it seems the other half ridicules her. Without further info, she might be speaking from a deep conviction which, even if wrong, should either be respected for her efforts, ignored if one doesn't agree, or objectively countered with other facts. The emotional reactions either way seems uncalled for. Not ridiculing her. I'm simply not a person who takes advice from people who don't have their own shit together. I'm betting when you want advice you don't go find a teenager with a well documented mental health history to advise you. It might depend on what I wanted advice about. But in general, you're right. OTOH, I don't automatically assume someone who both has what seems to be a form of autism AND a strong opinion about something that, coincidentally, many in the world also are concerned about, is being manipulated into believing it. IOW there seems to be a middle position which is; she has a viewpoint that perhaps, because she HAS the particular mental health perspective she has, is something she's read a lot about and feels sincerely that it's important. To me, I just see it and think little about it. It's the reaction...any visceral reaction at all, that puzzles me. And especially I am puzzled by the strenuous criticism from those who simultaneously strenuously reject the notion that humans are having an important impact on the climate. IF she's wrong, it should be simple to counter it without pointing out, for example, that she's had a mental health disorder. The same thing happened with David Hogg came out advocating more gun regulation. I didn't pay much attention to it and really didn't even know what he was advocating. But the strenuous reaction from the right/2nd amendment rights advocates was puzzling. They took to ridiculing him as if...what? He was actually a menace to society? In both cases, I didn't/don't understand why the response wouldn't be a simple objective and methodical countering of the argument with facts and reason. Just...leave out the ancillary stuff. Either they're right from a given person's perspective or they're not. If they're not, it should be a simple job to counter it.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 22, 2019 12:43:07 GMT
and look at what's happening... society is generally getting worse as a result. it's kinda like what my signature says... 'Know God, Know Peace. No God, No Peace'. as society turns from God the natural result is chaos/disorder and it will continue to get worse the less and less Christian things become (and the godless left(especially those in a position of power) is helping to accelerate this). you can only stray so far from God before things drop off a cliff with enough time. How worse was it when the Spanish Inquisition had its stranglehold on people for not being Catholic? It's interesting the mslo and cody are saying almost the opposite things. Per cody, Christianity, strong Christianity is actually growing, getting stronger, people are attending churches that preach a strong Gospel. But then mslo comes out with the idea that society is generally getting worse as the result of people moving away from the core beliefs of Christianity. Either Christianity is growing and society is still getting worse OR Christianity is declining thus society is getting worse. Both can't be true. And beyond that contradiction, they both seem to forget the horrors that went on under Christian govts in the middle ages. Slavery was common and acceptable, people were brought up on charges of heresy, tortured until they confessed, then they were turned over to the state...a theocracy, that punished them with inhumane measures. But... they lament that it's getting worse now, when most folks in civilized countries recognize the evils of slavery and in general people don't want govts to force religion on people. Actually, the article Cody referenced explained why Christianity seems to be growing if it is. It is because those Christians have more children, so they end up flavoring the mix, so to speak, with their indoctrinated offspring while the more secular are having fewer kids. Christianity isn't really growing because of adults being convinced that Christianity is true, but because the "bring up a child" in Christianity really before it can decide, and many stay in it rather than deconvert.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 22, 2019 12:55:34 GMT
and look at what's happening... society is generally getting worse as a result. it's kinda like what my signature says... 'Know God, Know Peace. No God, No Peace'. as society turns from God the natural result is chaos/disorder and it will continue to get worse the less and less Christian things become (and the godless left(especially those in a position of power) is helping to accelerate this). you can only stray so far from God before things drop off a cliff with enough time. What are you actually basing that on? Bear in mind violence and war has gone down in the last 100 years or so, crime has gone down in the last few years, life expectancy has gone up, science and technology has drastically improved, and people are far more educated. How is it is "getting worse"? And if you say gays and abortion, I'm just gonna laugh in your face.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 23, 2019 22:31:12 GMT
Very obvious, not only in Americans being less Christian on the surface, but even more so they are less Christian in their values.
The surface "Christian" is the belief that Jesus is all that and a bag of chips, so to speak. It's ironic that the name "Jesus" is supposed to be a magical charm, when the sound made by saying the name isn't even close to the sound made by those who spoke his name long ago.
That's just the "surface" value.
The chief Christian values, which are pretty much identical in any legitimate Christian denomination are: 1. Non judgment of the souls and spirits of other people 2. Forgiveness of others in order to be forgiven.
1. Non judgment. This is too hard a cross to bear for Americans. Before 9-11-2001, just about every Hollywood movie and TV series extolled the values of judging other people. And it showed in workplaces, schools, everywhere but churches, which is the real reason the Americans who grumbled about church members being hypocrites were actually just self righteous about their need to prejudge the spirits and souls of other humans.
This was a demon being fed by Hollywood, and the writers and directors full well knew it. "Frank Burns" characters were never intended to enlighten people. "Frank Burns" characters were always intended to feed the mob mentality of lynch mobs into simply choosing a person in any group to falsely accuse of being such a character. MASH and other such hate mongering products were the ideology of demonic hate. The same personalities who once lynched black people were told to just pick other victims, but keep the same self righteous mentality. It was deemed safe to especially choose professed Christians, because Americans believed Christians had to turn the other cheek and accept false accusations and persecutions. The goal was to eliminate "outsiders" one at a time.
9-11 put a whopper on this demon possession that infested nearly all Americans. Now, they saw 18 hijackers use this same demonic concept against them. The same Americans who were self righteous about their desire to be one of a small group of heroes that could wipe out people was now used against them. And not just one at a time, but in a huge swoop. That's why most Americans were really angry.
For a while, it turned some Americans away from this demon, but I knew that wouldn't last long. It didn't.
2. Forgiveness of others in order to be forgiven. This is always a hard cross to bear. Even Christians struggle with this. How does one forgive people who join real mobs that do nothing but falsely accuse and persecute those with no resources? Especially when these very "mobsters" have all the power and then claim they are being the targets. Ahem, Donald Trump. He is not a minority. I estimate 95% of Americans who are the elite, making over 100,000 a year, are just like Trump, even the ones who claim to hate him. They hate him because he is just like them, only more successful.
How do you forgive the elite? They persecute us, target us, curse us, sabotage us, keep us in defeat, those of us who aren't insiders, members of their mob families, and especially those who have no remote relation to the mob. And to top it off, THESE HUMAN MONSTERS complain that we the poor people are persecuting them. These "lynch mobsters" like Trump claim they are being targeted by the mob. Trump isn't the only one. He's just the only one stupid enough to versify it so blatantly. All the politicians say it in more subtle terms. They're the mob, with all the resources, stealing the supplies we work for, and then they complain we're doing it to them.
Many of you have probably experienced this from the "mob mentality" preached by American media, movie makers, etc.. How many of us have worked with mobs of people who scream at us and falsely accuse us of thoughts we never had, of misdeeds we couldn't possibly have done, over and over? We try to be reasonable for a while, but that doesn't work against "American culture" (the same culture that produced the hijackers of 9-11), so eventually we yell back at the mobsters, and then the mobsters cry that you're being the bully. The one bully against three, four, or more American culture sadists who have been educated in demonic mob mentality to persecute you for absolutely no reason other than to feed the demon. And they claim you're the bully.
And we are supposed to forgive them? How?
Still, that is what we have to do. It makes it hard to be a Christian.
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