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Post by sostie on Nov 27, 2019 10:34:47 GMT
Thanks for the link...it helps confirm you were wrong when you said Batman was more successful than SPIDER-MANNo way. Just do the math, man, it's not hard. Nah...it's all there in the link. You've been proven incorrect many times and refuse to accept it so why bother.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 27, 2019 18:54:40 GMT
No way. Just do the math, man, it's not hard. Nah...it's all there in the link. You've been proven incorrect many times and refuse to accept it so why bother. Add Joker, add the Bat-related movies I listed outside that, and you will have a great epiphany.
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Post by dazz on Nov 27, 2019 19:20:27 GMT
Nah...it's all there in the link. You've been proven incorrect many times and refuse to accept it so why bother. Add Joker, add the Bat-related movies I listed outside that, and you will have a great epiphany. Yes that if you do the same for Spider-Man as you, and you alone are trying to apply to Batman then Spiderman gains an additional $6b which leaves Batman so far in the dust it's not even funny.
You should just accept the fact only you count those movies as Batman movies, because you are unhinged, where as the rest of the world does not and Spider-Man is the higher grossing hero, also take a look at the box office averages, Batman barely breaks $500m a movie, Spidey crushes over$700m a movie on average.
Considering how much energy you are expending trying to convince people of your opinion, which is not based in obvious fact, why not try using some creative thinking and intellect to do so rather than just repeating the same statement 100 times, you know figure out a basic adjusted for inflation number for each series and compare them, doing so may reveal a greater truth for either side...just thought.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 27, 2019 19:32:21 GMT
Add Joker, add the Bat-related movies I listed outside that, and you will have a great epiphany. Yes that if you do the same for Spider-Man as you, Unfortunately for you Spider-Man fans, Spidey appears on: Captain America: Civil War - a Captain America solo movie featuring MANY standalone superheroes having solo movies under their belts. Peter is a glorified cameo. Avengers: Infinity War - an Avengers movie featuring DOZENS of standalone superheroes having solo movies under their belts. Peter is a glorified cameo. Avengers: Endgame - As above. Peter is a tiny cameo, this time. So no, those movies don't count. I'm repeating that to death, but I'm hitting a rubber wall, you don't understand it and that's very odd.
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Post by sostie on Nov 27, 2019 19:46:33 GMT
Yes that if you do the same for Spider-Man as you, Unfortunately for you Spider-Man fans, Spidey appears on: Captain America: Civil War - a Captain America solo movie featuring MANY standalone superheroes having solo movies under their belts. Peter is a glorified cameo. Avengers: Infinity War - an Avengers movie featuring DOZENS of standalone superheroes having solo movies under their belts. Peter is a glorified cameo. Avengers: Endgame - As above. Peter is a tiny cameo, this time. So no, those movies don't count. I'm repeating that to death, but I'm hitting a rubber wall, you don't understand it and that's very odd. And one or more of these apply to Suicide Squad and Justice League. Joker and Cat Woman do not feature Batman at all. You want a level playing field just include the solo movies for both...or count the Marvel films you exclude...then have your epiphany
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Post by sostie on Nov 27, 2019 19:59:32 GMT
Of course if you don't want a level playing field add Captain Marvel to the Spider-Man list..Monica Rambeau debuted in his comic
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Post by dazz on Nov 27, 2019 20:04:30 GMT
Yes that if you do the same for Spider-Man as you, Unfortunately for you Spider-Man fans, Spidey appears on: Captain America: Civil War - a Captain America solo movie featuring MANY standalone superheroes having solo movies under their belts. Peter is a glorified cameo. Avengers: Infinity War - an Avengers movie featuring DOZENS of standalone superheroes having solo movies under their belts. Peter is a glorified cameo. Avengers: Endgame - As above. Peter is a tiny cameo, this time. So no, those movies don't count. I'm repeating that to death, but I'm hitting a rubber wall, you don't understand it and that's very odd. Peter in Civil War has more screentime than Batman in Suicide Squad, this is true for EVERY team up movie he appears in.
CW features 3 stand alone superheros, 4 when you count Spidey, that's Cap, Iron Man & Ant Man, the rest are not stand alone but side characters at that point.
IW features 6 stand alone heroes, GOTG are not stand alone heroes but a stand alone group, even then that's 7 not dozens.
Again Peter appears more in Endgame than Batman does in Suicide Squad,
The Lego movie features many IP characters which include Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Land, Han & C3PO as well as an entire original cast of characters.
Justice League feature Wonder Woman and Superman who have smash hit movies to their name, The Flash who has 2 prime time TV shows under his belt, so Batman is just one of the 4 mainstream established heroes in the movie.
See I get why you don't count the Spidey films, and why you do count these supplemental "Batman" films it's rather simple, like yourself, you thought something, it turned out not to be true, but you are to insecure and petty to admit you are wrong and have to create this false narrative to justify yourself, truth is you got it wrong, that's ok, what isn't ok is behaving like a sycophantic muppet putting your thumbs in your ear trying to act like you cannot hear reality calling to you.
Like I said instead of repeating this bollocks no one but you considers accurate, as I said how many separate and autonomous major sources for these numbers disregard the movies you claim as Batman movies from the collection? It isn't that everyone else in the world doesn't get something, it's you that does not get it, and your attempts at deflection are not only sad but weak also, like I said atleast try a different approach you lazy bugger...but use a calculator as you cannot even add 2 to a number and get that equation right on your own.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 27, 2019 20:13:47 GMT
It doesn't matter. Suicide Squad is a movie focused on Batman's villains. Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Joker, Killer Croc. It's the Batman Movie Universe. Anyway you slice it, I'm right.
Batman is the primary character. Wonder Woman is the co-lead. All others are supporters. Superman is a "deux ex machina" and just appears on the final battle as "Superman", restored as superhero.
You're in denial. You're a Spider fanboy, well, okay. I love math, I'm VERY good at that, and the Batman Movie Franchise totally destroys the Spider-Man Movie Franchise. Not my fault, people have chosen.
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Post by dazz on Nov 27, 2019 20:44:31 GMT
It doesn't matter. Suicide Squad is a movie focused on Batman's villains. Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Joker, Killer Croc. It's the Batman Movie Universe. Anyway you slice it, I'm right. Batman is the primary character. Wonder Woman is the co-lead. All others are supporters. Superman is a "deux ex machina" and just appears on the final battle as "Superman", restored as superhero. You're in denial. You're a Spider fanboy, well, okay. I love math, I'm VERY good at that, and the Batman Movie Franchise totally destroys the Spider-Man Movie Franchise. Not my fault, people have chosen. Deadshot is as much associated with the Squad as it's own thing as he is a Batman villain, though the number of Batman movies he appeared in? none, number of Suicide Squad movies he has been in? 3, Harley is also established as her own character outside of Batman and has had on off runs of her own comics which total into the hundreds since the early 2000's iirc, and Croc is not a focused on character in that movie at all.
Ah so now it's not that Peter is just one of many identifiable solo stars in a movie but that Batman plays a more prominent role? the doesn't this mean CW, Avengers, Age Of Ultron, IW and Endgame all go into the franchise records of Iron Man? as he is at worst co lead of each of those movies, which boost that number into the 11 digit stratosphere, far beyond Batman.
No you suck at math, you thought 79 + 10 = 91, as well as thinking 79 - 67 = 13, you sir cannot add nor subtract.
If I am such a fanboy why am I telling you to add up the adjusted for inflation numbers to try and prove your point? seeing as how that would raise TDK's box office by over $200m alone, Batman 89's by like $440m also, Returns by over $200m those 3 films alone adjusted at a most basic formula boost Batman up by $850m easily, I am pointing out your flawed and bias slant on these franchises because that's what it is you doughnut.
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Post by sostie on Nov 27, 2019 21:39:03 GMT
It doesn't matter. Suicide Squad is a movie focused on Batman's villains. Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Joker, Killer Croc. It's the Batman Movie Universe. Anyway you slice it, I'm right. Except the Suicide Squad is not from the Batman Universe. Suicide Squad debuted in 1959...as far as I know they didn't cross paths with Batman until the late 80s. Rick Flag was never a Batman Character. Amanda Waller wasn't a Batman character Captain Boomerang was from The Flash. Eldiablo wasn't a Batman villain. Enchantress wasn't a Batman villain. Slipknot was from Firestorm. Deadshot & Joker never were part of the squad until late 80's, Harley Quinn 2011, Killer Croc 2016. They all appeared in Batman comics but were never part of the Suicide Squad until decades after it was created. Bit of a mess eh! So why can't Avengers films be included for Spider-Man. They are as much a part of the Spider-Man universe, on screen and print, as Suicide Squad is to Batman However you untangle it, if you want to know who is the more successful franchise just count the films Batman/Spider-Man appear in.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 28, 2019 0:43:18 GMT
It doesn't matter. Suicide Squad is a movie focused on Batman's villains. Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Joker, Killer Croc. It's the Batman Movie Universe. Anyway you slice it, I'm right. Batman is the primary character. Wonder Woman is the co-lead. All others are supporters. Superman is a "deux ex machina" and just appears on the final battle as "Superman", restored as superhero. You're in denial. You're a Spider fanboy, well, okay. I love math, I'm VERY good at that, and the Batman Movie Franchise totally destroys the Spider-Man Movie Franchise. Not my fault, people have chosen. Deadshot is as much associated with the Squad as it's own thing as he is a Batman villain, though the number of Batman movies he appeared in? none, number of Suicide Squad movies he has been in? 3, Harley is also established as her own character outside of Batman and has had on off runs of her own comics which total into the hundreds since the early 2000's iirc, and Croc is not a focused on character in that movie at all.
Ah so now it's not that Peter is just one of many identifiable solo stars in a movie but that Batman plays a more prominent role? the doesn't this mean CW, Avengers, Age Of Ultron, IW and Endgame all go into the franchise records of Iron Man? as he is at worst co lead of each of those movies, which boost that number into the 11 digit stratosphere, far beyond Batman.
No you suck at math, you thought 79 + 10 = 91, as well as thinking 79 - 67 = 13, you sir cannot add nor subtract.
If I am such a fanboy why am I telling you to add up the adjusted for inflation numbers to try and prove your point? seeing as how that would raise TDK's box office by over $200m alone, Batman 89's by like $440m also, Returns by over $200m those 3 films alone adjusted at a most basic formula boost Batman up by $850m easily, I am pointing out your flawed and bias slant on these franchises because that's what it is you doughnut.
Inflation is not even considered in this type of comparisons. NEVER. If you was a true movie lover and expert, you'd know that --- but you're actually just a weird user of this forum. Harley Quinn and Deadshot are two VILLAINS. It doesn't matter how many comic book runs Harley Quinn got, she's a villain, and she's a well-famed villain of the popular Batman pantheon. She's not Venom, who has been turned into a standalone superhero. So you're super-wrong on this, ultra-wrong, I mean mega-wrong, just surrender man... don't embarass yourself. It's not my fault if adults love Batman over Spider-Man and Batman keeps being the true King of all Superheroes out there.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 28, 2019 0:46:38 GMT
It doesn't matter. Suicide Squad is a movie focused on Batman's villains. Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Joker, Killer Croc. It's the Batman Movie Universe. Anyway you slice it, I'm right. Except the Suicide Squad is not from the Batman Universe. Suicide Squad debuted in 1959...as far as I know they didn't cross paths with Batman until the late 80s. Rick Flag was never a Batman Character. Amanda Waller wasn't a Batman character Captain Boomerang was from The Flash. Eldiablo wasn't a Batman villain. Enchantress wasn't a Batman villain. Slipknot was from Firestorm. Deadshot & Joker never were part of the squad until late 80's, Harley Quinn 2011, Killer Croc 2016. They all appeared in Batman comics but were never part of the Suicide Squad until decades after it was created. It doesn't matter... they chose the Batman-related version of the Suicide Squad, they depicted that on film, they depicted 4 villains of the Batman pantheon, and put Batman on that, and then made Harley Quinn the ABSOLUTE LEADER/ICON of the team, and they made the Squad intercross with the JOKER. That screams Batman from each molecula: Batman, Batman, Batman. Get a clue, man, and fast. You are damn scary.
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Post by dazz on Nov 28, 2019 5:25:54 GMT
Deadshot is as much associated with the Squad as it's own thing as he is a Batman villain, though the number of Batman movies he appeared in? none, number of Suicide Squad movies he has been in? 3, Harley is also established as her own character outside of Batman and has had on off runs of her own comics which total into the hundreds since the early 2000's iirc, and Croc is not a focused on character in that movie at all.
Ah so now it's not that Peter is just one of many identifiable solo stars in a movie but that Batman plays a more prominent role? the doesn't this mean CW, Avengers, Age Of Ultron, IW and Endgame all go into the franchise records of Iron Man? as he is at worst co lead of each of those movies, which boost that number into the 11 digit stratosphere, far beyond Batman.
No you suck at math, you thought 79 + 10 = 91, as well as thinking 79 - 67 = 13, you sir cannot add nor subtract.
If I am such a fanboy why am I telling you to add up the adjusted for inflation numbers to try and prove your point? seeing as how that would raise TDK's box office by over $200m alone, Batman 89's by like $440m also, Returns by over $200m those 3 films alone adjusted at a most basic formula boost Batman up by $850m easily, I am pointing out your flawed and bias slant on these franchises because that's what it is you doughnut.
Inflation is not even considered in this type of comparisons. NEVER. If you was a true movie lover and expert, you'd know that --- but you're actually just a weird user of this forum. Harley Quinn and Deadshot are two VILLAINS. It doesn't matter how many comic book runs Harley Quinn got, she's a villain, and she's a well-famed villain of the popular Batman pantheon. She's not Venom, who has been turned into a standalone superhero. So you're super-wrong on this, ultra-wrong, I mean mega-wrong, just surrender man... don't embarass yourself. It's not my fault if adults love Batman over Spider-Man and Batman keeps being the true King of all Superheroes out there. Yes inflation is ALWAYS brought up in this type of comparison, that is why EVERY time a movie breaks new ground in box office sales the caveat is always, but adjusted for inflation Gone With The Wind made this much and is still head and shoulders the supreme king of the movies, every time.
This is why Box Office mojo used to also have the adjusted numbers, for domestic atleast, in every franchise or persons filmography listed alongside actual domestic and worldwide numbers.
Also Harley for most of the millennia has been portrayed as on off good guy bad guy, she's an anti hero now like Venom is, her initial solo run I think was about her getting away from Joker, Batman and Gotham and finding her own path.
You constantly have to move the goal post to try and justify your arguments, Venom had never been displayed as a hero anti or not in anything but the comics prior to the movie, Agent Venom had briefly in one of the cartoons but that's it, but in the 4 animated series from the 90's until now of Spider-Man, the atleast 4 major video game releases and the only other movie to feature the character he was outright shown as a villain, so either that stuff takes precedent over the comics or the comics over them, meaning either Venom counts as a Spider property due to mainstream exposure and not his identifiable own brand and so does then Harley or he doesn't in which case neither does Harley or the Squad.
This is the behaviour I pointed out in the past, you are an unstable, biased, pathetic little twit, this is how this counts but only as far as it supports your narrative once it supports another narrative it is no longer relevant or accepted, you are just too pitiful a little baby to admit you made an asinine judgement based on your own biases without proof and that the proof doesn't back you up, you are so pathetically unable to accept this that even suggestions that could actually support your claim are dismissed because to prove the overall correctness of your core statement it requires admitting fault to the initial argument, you sad little troll.
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Post by sostie on Nov 28, 2019 13:56:29 GMT
Except the Suicide Squad is not from the Batman Universe. Suicide Squad debuted in 1959...as far as I know they didn't cross paths with Batman until the late 80s. Rick Flag was never a Batman Character. Amanda Waller wasn't a Batman character Captain Boomerang was from The Flash. Eldiablo wasn't a Batman villain. Enchantress wasn't a Batman villain. Slipknot was from Firestorm. Deadshot & Joker never were part of the squad until late 80's, Harley Quinn 2011, Killer Croc 2016. They all appeared in Batman comics but were never part of the Suicide Squad until decades after it was created. It doesn't matter... they chose the Batman-related version of the Suicide Squad, they depicted that on film, they depicted 4 villains of the Batman pantheon, and put Batman on that, and then made Harley Quinn the ABSOLUTE LEADER/ICON of the team, and they made the Squad intercross with the JOKER. That screams Batman from each molecula: Batman, Batman, Batman. Get a clue, man, and fast. You are damn scary. I didn't say it should not be counted in the Batman list..but it sets up the arguemnet why Avengers should be included in Spider-Man's. Suicide Squad - a film based on a comic NOT from the Batman universe featuring characters added later in comic and film from the Batman universe. Features brief appearances from established cinematic characters Batman & Joker Avengers Infinity War - a film based on a comic NOT from the Spider-verse featuring character added later in comic and film from the Spider-verse. Has longer screentime than Batman & Joker in Suicide Squad. So why one and not the other? Probably because it disproves your assertion that one is more successful than the other. I'm pretty sure had Joker not been successful or not existed you would argue that Venom should not be included. So pick one. And end this stupidity now. Count films that... a) Feature Spider-man/Batman b) Films that feature characters from the Spider-man/Batman universe c) Solo films where Spider-man/Batman are the lead.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 28, 2019 20:31:33 GMT
1- Avengers movie where Spider-Man is not the lead. 2- Avengers movie featuring standalone superheroes having very successful solo movies. 3- Avengers movie. Stop. Avengers.
That's it. Spidey is just an eye-candy commercial designed to sell toys on IW.
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Post by dazz on Nov 28, 2019 21:41:29 GMT
1- Avengers movie where Spider-Man is not the lead. 2- Avengers movie featuring standalone superheroes having very successful solo movies. 3- Avengers movie. Stop. Avengers. That's it. Spidey is just an eye-candy commercial designed to sell toys on IW. 1- Avengers movies where Iron Man and Captain America are the leads. 2 - Justice League featuring standalone superheroes having very successful solo movies. 3- Justice League movies. Stop. Justice League.
You know Justice League the team up consisting of DC's crown jewels of heroes overall but more specifically the DC Trinity of Bat's, Supe's and Wonder Woman, a brand which has also had it's own hugely successful TV show, Vs. Avengers a lesser known title featuring the team up of Marvel's B & C tier heroes until the success of the MCU made them S tier heroes and an S tier team.
Selling toys and merch goes hand in hand for pretty much every CBM, that's the point the movies always bring a huge boost to merch and toy sales, so this is a ridiculous argument to make even for you.
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Post by sostie on Nov 28, 2019 23:24:59 GMT
1- Avengers movie where Spider-Man is not the lead. 2- Avengers movie featuring standalone superheroes having very successful solo movies. 3- Avengers movie. Stop. Avengers. That's it. Spidey is just an eye-candy commercial designed to sell toys on IW. Like I siad your pointless cherry picking to get the result you want can go on for ever. It's simple...3 choices a) Films that feature Spider-man/Batman b) Films that feature characters from the Spider-man/Batman universe c) Solo films where Spider-man/Batman are the lead. What are you scared of?
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 30, 2019 11:37:32 GMT
I know that for you, devoted Spider-Man fans, the reality of things is very hard to accept when coming to Batman being vastly more popular than Spidey.
I hope you will cope with this in some way. It's about your mental wealth, don't lose it.
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Post by dazz on Nov 30, 2019 14:15:43 GMT
I know that for you, devoted Spider-Man fans, the reality of things is very hard to accept when coming to Batman being vastly more popular than Spidey. I hope you will cope with this in some way. It's about your mental wealth, don't lose it. You do get that even if you allow for your and yours alone, account of what is and is not a Batman movie then the Batman Franchise is only marginally ahead of the Spider-Man one right? like seriously this just shows how demented you are, the combined $14,850,127,643 $15,326,783,422 of that Batman makes up only about 51.33 52.8%, for the record that means there is a mere 2.66 5.6% between the two, you keep trying to act like you are clever but your lack of understanding of pretty much anything just shows what a damn fool you are let alone complete fucking moron, seriously you need a fucking carer you battery licking fruit cake.
Edited to correct the math, also to note Supperhero cannot even formulate his fake narrative right, you forgot a non-Batman movie genius, Lego Movie 2, still with over double the movies to his credit Batman only fractionaly out earned Spidey on total gross,, not by average per movie gross mind you.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Dec 7, 2019 21:57:02 GMT
Delusions are hard to break. You will eventually see the light, Dazz. Christmas magic?
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