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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 23, 2019 20:02:46 GMT
Art should be about creating a vision. Not having all these quotas and limits. Someone defiant - not an ass-kisser businessPERSON That's the same thing they said when black people wanted to be in movies. History just keeps repeating itself.
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Post by Toxicalicity on Oct 23, 2019 20:02:49 GMT
No, the question was not valid. Diversity is NOT important. There is nothing inherently wrong with it either, but it's not, you know, important. Artistic integrity is ten times more important than shoehorning minorities and women into every work, just because. All of that is a lie. You don't like artistic integrity, huh?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 23, 2019 20:04:35 GMT
You don't like artistic integrity, huh? I don't like your lies.
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Post by Toxicalicity on Oct 23, 2019 20:11:49 GMT
You don't like artistic integrity, huh? I don't like your lies.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 23, 2019 20:24:53 GMT
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Post by jonesjxd on Oct 24, 2019 10:59:24 GMT
I'm inclined to say you don't understand why people become journalists. There are a ton of jobs that pay better than being an entertainment writer. The question was valid, it was just directed at the wrong person. You are "inclined" incorrectly. Have you read articles by any of these "journalists," where they are asking those questions of the right people? No? Well, there might be a reason for that. Refer to previous post for answer.
boundingintocomics.com/2019/09/23/ceo-bob-iger-confirms-diversity-agenda-at-disney/Here's Disney exec Bob Iger making comments to the media about how Disney has a "diversity agenda", so this was the correct person to ask that question to.
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Post by jonesjxd on Oct 24, 2019 11:09:35 GMT
I'm inclined to say you don't understand why people become journalists. There are a ton of jobs that pay better than being an entertainment writer. The question was valid, it was just directed at the wrong person. No, the question was not valid. Diversity is NOT important. There is nothing inherently wrong with it either, but it's not, you know, important. Artistic integrity is ten times more important than shoehorning minorities and women into every work, just because. That is your unreasoned opinion, but to the people that matter, i.e. studio executives, minority actors, audiences etc., it is, you know, important.
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Post by jonesjxd on Oct 24, 2019 11:33:41 GMT
You don't like artistic integrity, huh? None of us understand what you mean by artistic integrity. Do you think Jordan Peele and Steve McQueen lack artistic integrity?
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Post by Toxicalicity on Oct 24, 2019 12:38:28 GMT
You don't like artistic integrity, huh? None of us understand what you mean by artistic integrity. Do you think Jordan Peele and Steve McQueen lack artistic integrity? Those directors presumably did exactly what they wanted to, so no they don't lack integrity. Neither does Scorsese.
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Post by Toxicalicity on Oct 24, 2019 12:39:33 GMT
No, the question was not valid. Diversity is NOT important. There is nothing inherently wrong with it either, but it's not, you know, important. Artistic integrity is ten times more important than shoehorning minorities and women into every work, just because. That is your unreasoned opinion, but to the people that matter, i.e. studio executives, minority actors, audiences etc., it is, you know, important. To them, sure. But it's not important for cinema, which has done fine without it.
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Post by NormanClature on Oct 24, 2019 15:37:50 GMT
You are "inclined" incorrectly. Have you read articles by any of these "journalists," where they are asking those questions of the right people? No? Well, there might be a reason for that. Refer to previous post for answer.
boundingintocomics.com/2019/09/23/ceo-bob-iger-confirms-diversity-agenda-at-disney/Here's Disney exec Bob Iger making comments to the media about how Disney has a "diversity agenda", so this was the correct person to ask that question to. You realize that all journalists aren't the same person, right?!
Because if you understand that and also assume that concept isn't beyond the ken of everyone else than I'm not sure what point you think you are making?
Some journalists try to do the right thing, others are clickbait chasing assholes. Who knew?!
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Post by NormanClature on Oct 24, 2019 16:00:32 GMT
You don't like artistic integrity, huh? None of us understand what you mean by artistic integrity. Do you think Jordan Peele and Steve McQueen lack artistic integrity? "Get Out," was certainly very good but having seen "Us," and a few episodes of "The Twilight Zone," I'd say Jordan Peele is fast becoming a pretentious tool, more concerned with clubbing the audience to death with politics and metaphors, than he is with creating an entertaining narrative.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 24, 2019 18:46:43 GMT
Joel Coen had a very similar answer when asked about lack of diversity in Hail Caesar. It is important that women and non-white people have opportunity for work in Hollywood, but the media is confronting the wrong people about it. Martin Scorsese and the Coens are artists, not moguls. It's not their job to give opportunities, it's their job to bring their imagination to life through film. These questions should be directed at the people running the movie business, who hire the artists. The "journalists" asking these questions are low integrity asswipes creating clickbait. Yes, it's about ethics in movie journalism.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 24, 2019 20:20:23 GMT
None of us understand what you mean by artistic integrity. Do you think Jordan Peele and Steve McQueen lack artistic integrity? "Get Out," was certainly very good but having seen "Us," and a few episodes of "The Twilight Zone," I'd say Jordan Peele is fast becoming a pretentious tool, more concerned with clubbing the audience to death with politics and metaphors, than he is with creating an entertaining narrative. Not familiar with the original Twilight Zone, I see. It was full of politics and metaphors.
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Post by NormanClature on Oct 24, 2019 20:34:57 GMT
"Get Out," was certainly very good but having seen "Us," and a few episodes of "The Twilight Zone," I'd say Jordan Peele is fast becoming a pretentious tool, more concerned with clubbing the audience to death with politics and metaphors, than he is with creating an entertaining narrative. Not familiar with the original Twilight Zone, I see. It was full of politics and metaphors. So was "Get Out." The point is, that was well done. As was the original "Twilight Zone."
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on Oct 25, 2019 4:22:25 GMT
mad that some directors don't feel the need to have mandatory diversity quotas in their movies? Mad that women and black people exist? Just because they exist, doesn't mean they need to be shoehorned into a story that doesn't call for it.
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Post by jonesjxd on Oct 25, 2019 10:24:29 GMT
That is your unreasoned opinion, but to the people that matter, i.e. studio executives, minority actors, audiences etc., it is, you know, important. To them, sure. But it's not important for cinema, which has done fine without it. You're simple minded.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 25, 2019 10:34:52 GMT
He gave a perfectly reasonable response. Just like Tarantino's "I reject your hypothesis".
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Post by jonesjxd on Oct 25, 2019 10:35:13 GMT
You realize that all journalists aren't the same person, right?!
Because if you understand that and also assume that concept isn't beyond the ken of everyone else than I'm not sure what point you think you are making?
Some journalists try to do the right thing, others are clickbait chasing assholes. Who knew?! Obviously I know there isn't one journalist in Hollywood chasing down every celebrity, but they're all essentially out to do the same thing. Getting scoops and getting quotes from people in the movie business. It doesn't matter if they work for Entertainment Weekly or Ain't It Cool News, they're both trying to get the same story. It's just a matter of access.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 25, 2019 13:15:08 GMT
Mad that women and black people exist? Just because they exist, doesn't mean they need to be shoehorned into a story that doesn't call for it. So you just don't want to look at them. At least you're open about it.
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