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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 0:16:27 GMT
I didn't expect you to, and no duh it's my opinion, just like what you wrote is just your opinion, maybe I could have expressed that what I said was just my opinion better but then I highly doubt you would have noticed that I had.
But if you like the show good for you, I still think it's mediocre so far, but I am sticking with it to see if it improves, god knows I stuck with Supergirl for 4 seasons, so Batwoman would need to become extremely shitty to get me to stop watching at this point.
I think "Supergirl" is fairly entertaining. I don't expect it to be a masterpiece at all; I mean, it's a Supergirl show. "Batwoman" features a vastly better cinematography, a more fascinating actress and a Batman-themed character. People will love it and I'm sure that the show will quicky become more loved than "Supergirl" and other superhero shows. Yes on the cinematography, no on the actress imo, Melissa Benoist is far more engaging and likeable as a lead than Ruby Rose, as for being more loved, it's already getting higher ratings but Supergirl has never been all that loved I don't think, it's not overall one of the more popular DC CW shows, the well it's Batman argument is daft as that really didn't help Gotham much.
But I don't see Batwoman going anywhere for a while, CW will rarely cancel a show before it hits 5 seasons unless literally no one is watching the damn thing.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 1:38:54 GMT
Because Bruce Wayne is a public, important, rich figure that does a lot with his money. Without a Justice League or World's Finest (partnered with Superman), Batman is a local urban myth. Flash is a known public hero. Green Arrow is now a known public vigilante. Also, going to Bludhaven doesn't mean that Oliver would run into Batman. Also, they heard of Batman. The problem is, like I said, they see him as an urban myth.
Watching the Elseworlds episode when they go to Gotham (Arrow ep). Barry brings Batman up and Oliver thinks he's a myth created by the cops. Barry makes fun of him for not believing he is real. Oliver yells at him "I'm the original vigilante, Barry!"
Yes because in Elseworld's it was implied Batman was more a shadowy figure, but now Batwoman is telling us no he was an open hero, being seen by people as he saved them as is Batwoman apparently, Gotham actually has a bat signal they have used and Batman was an active crime fighter for atleast what 15 years possibly 20+ with many of his rogues gallery having fought him.
Elseworld's set up was a bit of a stretch but it was doable, but Batwoman has pissed all over that making the idea no one knew about Batman and he never showed up to help anyone in these crossovers ridiculous, this is why it should have been set on Earth 37 or whatever where Batman is openly operational and this backstory would not contradict the flow or continuity of the existing lore.
Then again if Batman is 20 years or so into his career so he's going to be what early to mid 40's maybe older, yet he's supposedly outside of Gotham a myth, so why is a local myth/vigilante remembered in the future alongside the Man of Steel by the likes of Rip? if his glory days are behind him and he's bailed on his mission to save Gotham at this point already why is remembered alongside Superman in the future?
This is all just such a stupid jumble of bollocks, should have just set it on Supergirl's earth and made it a thing.
No, it even said in Elseworlds that he was an open hero... in Gotham. The Bat signal was in Elseworlds. And so was his rogues gallery. Their names were on the doors at Arkham with many of their gear in storage.
I'm starting to think you just want to hate this show outright. The Legends have a time machine and they didn't help out in the Elseworlds crossover. Also, isn't Star City on the west coast of America? By the time Batman got there everything will be over.
Because Rip is from the future and has a time machine that can see into the past. Also, there is no Superman on Earth 1. So Rip can see other Earths.
You're the only one seeing a jumbled mess. Trying to find more reasons to hate on it when I'm giving you the explanations from the shows.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 27, 2019 1:49:00 GMT
Yes because in Elseworld's it was implied Batman was more a shadowy figure, but now Batwoman is telling us no he was an open hero, being seen by people as he saved them as is Batwoman apparently, Gotham actually has a bat signal they have used and Batman was an active crime fighter for atleast what 15 years possibly 20+ with many of his rogues gallery having fought him.
Elseworld's set up was a bit of a stretch but it was doable, but Batwoman has pissed all over that making the idea no one knew about Batman and he never showed up to help anyone in these crossovers ridiculous, this is why it should have been set on Earth 37 or whatever where Batman is openly operational and this backstory would not contradict the flow or continuity of the existing lore.
Then again if Batman is 20 years or so into his career so he's going to be what early to mid 40's maybe older, yet he's supposedly outside of Gotham a myth, so why is a local myth/vigilante remembered in the future alongside the Man of Steel by the likes of Rip? if his glory days are behind him and he's bailed on his mission to save Gotham at this point already why is remembered alongside Superman in the future?
This is all just such a stupid jumble of bollocks, should have just set it on Supergirl's earth and made it a thing.
No, it even said in Elseworlds that he was an open hero... in Gotham. The Bat signal was in Elseworlds. And so was his rogues gallery. Their names were on the doors at Arkham with many of their gear in storage.
I'm starting to think you just want to hate this show outright. The Legends have a time machine and they didn't help out in the Elseworlds crossover. Also, isn't Star City on the west coast of America? By the time Batman got there everything will be over.
Because Rip is from the future and has a time machine that can see into the past. Also, there is no Superman on Earth 1. So Rip can see other Earths.
You're the only one seeing a jumbled mess. Trying to find more reasons to hate on it when I'm giving you the explanations from the shows.
The main thing I’m iffy on is why Oliver thought Batman was a myth if he had been an active hero in Gotham for such a long time.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 1:51:32 GMT
I guess it maybe won’t matter much in the grand scheme of things that the show takes place in the same universe as Arrow and The Flash, since they’re supposed to get rid of the multiverse when they do Crisis on Infinite Earths. Still, it is weird to buy the idea that Batman was around in this universe all along. But that's what makes me laugh, set it on earth 37 or 19 or whatever then after crisis who cares about the old continuity as it's all mushed together now, any discrepancies is simply due to crisis, but because they set it out as they did it's just an obvious lack of forethought on the creatives part.
How goofy is it they had the perfect out for this type of issue and fucked up utilising it?
You do know that there were other heroes around that none of them heard of, right? The Justice Society was a thing on Earth 1. Oh and about your forethought. The 1st crossover was Invasion which was in 2016. Batwoman takes place before Elseworlds which was in 2018. I'm no mathematician, but by my calculations that would mean that Batman disappeared before the major world ending crossovers started.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 1:55:02 GMT
No, it even said in Elseworlds that he was an open hero... in Gotham. The Bat signal was in Elseworlds. And so was his rogues gallery. Their names were on the doors at Arkham with many of their gear in storage.
I'm starting to think you just want to hate this show outright. The Legends have a time machine and they didn't help out in the Elseworlds crossover. Also, isn't Star City on the west coast of America? By the time Batman got there everything will be over.
Because Rip is from the future and has a time machine that can see into the past. Also, there is no Superman on Earth 1. So Rip can see other Earths.
You're the only one seeing a jumbled mess. Trying to find more reasons to hate on it when I'm giving you the explanations from the shows.
The main thing I’m iffy on is why Oliver thought Batman was a myth if he had been an active hero in Gotham for such a long time. Because Batman is considered a myth outside of Gotham. Barry would believe he's a thing because he's Barry. The thing about that is that Kara let them go on about it knowing that a Batman is real. At least on her world. Oliver wants to believe he was the one to think up being a vigilante first.
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 2:21:29 GMT
Yes because in Elseworld's it was implied Batman was more a shadowy figure, but now Batwoman is telling us no he was an open hero, being seen by people as he saved them as is Batwoman apparently, Gotham actually has a bat signal they have used and Batman was an active crime fighter for atleast what 15 years possibly 20+ with many of his rogues gallery having fought him.
Elseworld's set up was a bit of a stretch but it was doable, but Batwoman has pissed all over that making the idea no one knew about Batman and he never showed up to help anyone in these crossovers ridiculous, this is why it should have been set on Earth 37 or whatever where Batman is openly operational and this backstory would not contradict the flow or continuity of the existing lore.
Then again if Batman is 20 years or so into his career so he's going to be what early to mid 40's maybe older, yet he's supposedly outside of Gotham a myth, so why is a local myth/vigilante remembered in the future alongside the Man of Steel by the likes of Rip? if his glory days are behind him and he's bailed on his mission to save Gotham at this point already why is remembered alongside Superman in the future?
This is all just such a stupid jumble of bollocks, should have just set it on Supergirl's earth and made it a thing.
No, it even said in Elseworlds that he was an open hero... in Gotham. The Bat signal was in Elseworlds. And so was his rogues gallery. Their names were on the doors at Arkham with many of their gear in storage.
I'm starting to think you just want to hate this show outright. The Legends have a time machine and they didn't help out in the Elseworlds crossover. Also, isn't Star City on the west coast of America? By the time Batman got there everything will be over.
Because Rip is from the future and has a time machine that can see into the past. Also, there is no Superman on Earth 1. So Rip can see other Earths.
You're the only one seeing a jumbled mess. Trying to find more reasons to hate on it when I'm giving you the explanations from the shows.
No it is just a jumbled mess, and was from the get go, something many people pointed out when Elseworlds introduced Batwoman and the idea Batman has been a long acting hero in the Arrowverse which no one was aware of, which I did not like even then, but I also kind of hoped that was in part due to the doctor dudes reality warping, no such luck there, turns out it's just poorly inserted backstory for the character of Batwoman.
I am also not talking about Elseworlds with the why didn't Batman show up issue, but things like Crisis on Two Earths, the Invasion crossover, the nuclear holocaust endeavour by Dahrk, the brain resetting plan by Thinker, major global threats Batman has never helped out on or been mentioned during, it just makes inserting Batwoman into Earth-1 sloppy and lazy, it's shouldn't have been done and didn't need to be, would have made way more sense to have her be from either another as yet unnamed earth or from Earth-38.
Team Arrow were well known verified heroes in Central City less than 3 years after they began operating, The Flash in less than a year, yet Batman is operational for decades being spotted numerous times and he's just a myth? that doesn't make sense, now Batman having been operational at one time but given up the cape and cowl years ago could have made sense, the idea being that the Batman was still operating in the present day being the thing Barry & Oliver argued over, which then turns out it isn't Batman but Batwoman, then they could have done something to have Oliver allude to knowing who Batman is and a connection between the two.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 27, 2019 2:27:52 GMT
No, it even said in Elseworlds that he was an open hero... in Gotham. The Bat signal was in Elseworlds. And so was his rogues gallery. Their names were on the doors at Arkham with many of their gear in storage.
I'm starting to think you just want to hate this show outright. The Legends have a time machine and they didn't help out in the Elseworlds crossover. Also, isn't Star City on the west coast of America? By the time Batman got there everything will be over.
Because Rip is from the future and has a time machine that can see into the past. Also, there is no Superman on Earth 1. So Rip can see other Earths.
You're the only one seeing a jumbled mess. Trying to find more reasons to hate on it when I'm giving you the explanations from the shows.
No it is just a jumbled mess, and was from the get go, something many people pointed out when Elseworlds introduced Batwoman and the idea Batman has been a long acting hero in the Arrowverse which no one was aware of, which I did not like even then, but I also kind of hoped that was in part due to the doctor dudes reality warping, no such luck there, turns out it's just poorly inserted backstory for the character of Batwoman.
I am also not talking about Elseworlds with the why didn't Batman show up issue, but things like Crisis on Two Earths, the Invasion crossover, the nuclear holocaust endeavour by Dahrk, the brain resetting plan by Thinker, major global threats Batman has never helped out on or been mentioned during, it just makes inserting Batwoman into Earth-1 sloppy and lazy, it's shouldn't have been done and didn't need to be, would have made way more sense to have her be from either another as yet unnamed earth or from Earth-38.
Team Arrow were well known verified heroes in Central City less than 3 years after they began operating, The Flash in less than a year, yet Batman is operational for decades being spotted numerous times and he's just a myth? that doesn't make sense, now Batman having been operational at one time but given up the cape and cowl years ago could have made sense, the idea being that the Batman was still operating in the present day being the thing Barry & Oliver argued over, which then turns out it isn't Batman but Batwoman, then they could have done something to have Oliver allude to knowing who Batman is and a connection between the two.
I guess that if we’re being fair, Batman apparently disappeared sometime in 2015, which was before the Earth-1 Arrowverse had alien invasions and magic men trying to destroy the world.
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 2:41:48 GMT
But that's what makes me laugh, set it on earth 37 or 19 or whatever then after crisis who cares about the old continuity as it's all mushed together now, any discrepancies is simply due to crisis, but because they set it out as they did it's just an obvious lack of forethought on the creatives part.
How goofy is it they had the perfect out for this type of issue and fucked up utilising it?
You do know that there were other heroes around that none of them heard of, right? The Justice Society was a thing on Earth 1. Oh and about your forethought. The 1st crossover was Invasion which was in 2016. Batwoman takes place before Elseworlds which was in 2018. I'm no mathematician, but by my calculations that would mean that Batman disappeared before the major world ending crossovers started. But didn't Elseworlds leave it looking like Bruce was still around just you know not around around, that makes it seem kind of odd, but even if he isn't shouldn't he have been you know brought up at some point prior to all of this? I am curious how they explain his absence as I hope he hasn't just upped and left for no reason, like I dunno maybe Bane broke his back properly this time, he's helping out some version of Rip on another issue and has had to be away for this long so Kate can assume the mantle of the Bat, you know there are reasons why he isn't around but as of yet it's just eh he gave up which seems odd. and if Batman stops being Batman before he does anything major him being remembered in the future that just doesn't make much sense imo.
And weren't the JSA a super top secret government special ops group in the 1940's, that one is atleast a little reasonable, compared to you know dude in a batsuit, with bloody tanks, planes, submarines and everything else if typical Batman lore is upheld running around a city for decades in modern times what with everyone having smartphones and stuff, though them shouting out we are the Justice Society Of America kind of makes no sense if no one is meant to know they exist at all, then again that is Legends and Legends almost never makes sense.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 2:47:15 GMT
No, it even said in Elseworlds that he was an open hero... in Gotham. The Bat signal was in Elseworlds. And so was his rogues gallery. Their names were on the doors at Arkham with many of their gear in storage.
I'm starting to think you just want to hate this show outright. The Legends have a time machine and they didn't help out in the Elseworlds crossover. Also, isn't Star City on the west coast of America? By the time Batman got there everything will be over.
Because Rip is from the future and has a time machine that can see into the past. Also, there is no Superman on Earth 1. So Rip can see other Earths.
You're the only one seeing a jumbled mess. Trying to find more reasons to hate on it when I'm giving you the explanations from the shows.
No it is just a jumbled mess, and was from the get go, something many people pointed out when Elseworlds introduced Batwoman and the idea Batman has been a long acting hero in the Arrowverse which no one was aware of, which I did not like even then, but I also kind of hoped that was in part due to the doctor dudes reality warping, no such luck there, turns out it's just poorly inserted backstory for the character of Batwoman.
I am also not talking about Elseworlds with the why didn't Batman show up issue, but things like Crisis on Two Earths, the Invasion crossover, the nuclear holocaust endeavour by Dahrk, the brain resetting plan by Thinker, major global threats Batman has never helped out on or been mentioned during, it just makes inserting Batwoman into Earth-1 sloppy and lazy, it's shouldn't have been done and didn't need to be, would have made way more sense to have her be from either another as yet unnamed earth or from Earth-38.
Team Arrow were well known verified heroes in Central City less than 3 years after they began operating, The Flash in less than a year, yet Batman is operational for decades being spotted numerous times and he's just a myth? that doesn't make sense, now Batman having been operational at one time but given up the cape and cowl years ago could have made sense, the idea being that the Batman was still operating in the present day being the thing Barry & Oliver argued over, which then turns out it isn't Batman but Batwoman, then they could have done something to have Oliver allude to knowing who Batman is and a connection between the two.
Again, Batman disappeared before those events took place. They pointedly mentioned that it was 3 years ago because that was before the big crossover events start. Or, hell, any of the big events that would get his attention enough to want to go to those cities.
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 3:08:08 GMT
No it is just a jumbled mess, and was from the get go, something many people pointed out when Elseworlds introduced Batwoman and the idea Batman has been a long acting hero in the Arrowverse which no one was aware of, which I did not like even then, but I also kind of hoped that was in part due to the doctor dudes reality warping, no such luck there, turns out it's just poorly inserted backstory for the character of Batwoman.
I am also not talking about Elseworlds with the why didn't Batman show up issue, but things like Crisis on Two Earths, the Invasion crossover, the nuclear holocaust endeavour by Dahrk, the brain resetting plan by Thinker, major global threats Batman has never helped out on or been mentioned during, it just makes inserting Batwoman into Earth-1 sloppy and lazy, it's shouldn't have been done and didn't need to be, would have made way more sense to have her be from either another as yet unnamed earth or from Earth-38.
Team Arrow were well known verified heroes in Central City less than 3 years after they began operating, The Flash in less than a year, yet Batman is operational for decades being spotted numerous times and he's just a myth? that doesn't make sense, now Batman having been operational at one time but given up the cape and cowl years ago could have made sense, the idea being that the Batman was still operating in the present day being the thing Barry & Oliver argued over, which then turns out it isn't Batman but Batwoman, then they could have done something to have Oliver allude to knowing who Batman is and a connection between the two.
Again, Batman disappeared before those events took place. They pointedly mentioned that it was 3 years ago because that was before the big crossover events start. Or, hell, any of the big events that would get his attention enough to want to go to those cities. Shouldn't Ra's trying to wipe out an entire US city have gotten his attention slightly though? This would be an interesting like one shot comic, after stopping Ra's and leaving with Felicity to Ivy Town Oliver gets a visit from Bruce Wayne, Bruce reveals himself as Batman and tells Oliver he has to hang up the cape as something is coming and he needs to prepare, and so does Oliver, this is where Oliver learns of Oracle which is referenced in S4, and Bruce encourages Oliver to get back into the game so he's ready, set it just before S4 starts, and so Oliver does know Batman is real but he knows Bruce isn't around so he's playing dumb in Elseworlds until Batwoman appears.
It would still be a thing where why isn't Batman ever mentioned in the massive crossovers on the heroes side to help out, which would have been a fun ongoing joke if they knew they would eventually get to do Batwoman or something, like every crossover Cisco or Barry are like can we call Batman? and Oliver is annoyed by them and saying he isn't real, maybe Kara then going he is on her earth, but he's also busy and really not a people person or something.
It still leaves the whole how does Batman operate for decades in todays world without becoming a known hero caught on camera, I mean over here we had a guy dubbed the Bromley Batman or as he liked to be called The Shadow, he was mentioned on numerous national TV shows and the news, and he's just a normal dude who stopped muggings and stuff, imagine an actual geezer in a full batsuit saving busses of kids from plummeting to their death...surely he had a twitter for Batman sightings and pics right?
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 3:33:32 GMT
You do know that there were other heroes around that none of them heard of, right? The Justice Society was a thing on Earth 1. Oh and about your forethought. The 1st crossover was Invasion which was in 2016. Batwoman takes place before Elseworlds which was in 2018. I'm no mathematician, but by my calculations that would mean that Batman disappeared before the major world ending crossovers started. But didn't Elseworlds leave it looking like Bruce was still around just you know not around around, that makes it seem kind of odd, but even if he isn't shouldn't he have been you know brought up at some point prior to all of this? I am curious how they explain his absence as I hope he hasn't just upped and left for no reason, like I dunno maybe Bane broke his back properly this time, he's helping out some version of Rip on another issue and has had to be away for this long so Kate can assume the mantle of the Bat, you know there are reasons why he isn't around but as of yet it's just eh he gave up which seems odd. and if Batman stops being Batman before he does anything major him being remembered in the future that just doesn't make much sense imo. No, Elseworlds had it that Batman left and Kate lied saying that Bruce left soon after because the city was going to a worse hell. They'll most likely explain it on Batwoman. It's good to leave something for episodes instead of just telling you everything right away.
Why does it have to be this Batman that is remembered in the future? Again, Rip mentions Superman and there is no Superman on Earth 1. Also, watching the episode of Legends of Tomorrow when he mentions Batman. He said, "I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall." Sounds like more than one. It also sounds like a time traveler that saw events in the past.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 3:35:12 GMT
Again, Batman disappeared before those events took place. They pointedly mentioned that it was 3 years ago because that was before the big crossover events start. Or, hell, any of the big events that would get his attention enough to want to go to those cities. Shouldn't Ra's trying to wipe out an entire US city have gotten his attention slightly though? This would be an interesting like one shot comic, after stopping Ra's and leaving with Felicity to Ivy Town Oliver gets a visit from Bruce Wayne, Bruce reveals himself as Batman and tells Oliver he has to hang up the cape as something is coming and he needs to prepare, and so does Oliver, this is where Oliver learns of Oracle which is referenced in S4, and Bruce encourages Oliver to get back into the game so he's ready, set it just before S4 starts, and so Oliver does know Batman is real but he knows Bruce isn't around so he's playing dumb in Elseworlds until Batwoman appears.
It would still be a thing where why isn't Batman ever mentioned in the massive crossovers on the heroes side to help out, which would have been a fun ongoing joke if they knew they would eventually get to do Batwoman or something, like every crossover Cisco or Barry are like can we call Batman? and Oliver is annoyed by them and saying he isn't real, maybe Kara then going he is on her earth, but he's also busy and really not a people person or something.
It still leaves the whole how does Batman operate for decades in todays world without becoming a known hero caught on camera, I mean over here we had a guy dubbed the Bromley Batman or as he liked to be called The Shadow, he was mentioned on numerous national TV shows and the news, and he's just a normal dude who stopped muggings and stuff, imagine an actual geezer in a full batsuit saving busses of kids from plummeting to their death...surely he had a twitter for Batman sightings and pics right?
Why? Bruce doesn't even tell the Robins when he is leaving.
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 4:07:57 GMT
Shouldn't Ra's trying to wipe out an entire US city have gotten his attention slightly though? This would be an interesting like one shot comic, after stopping Ra's and leaving with Felicity to Ivy Town Oliver gets a visit from Bruce Wayne, Bruce reveals himself as Batman and tells Oliver he has to hang up the cape as something is coming and he needs to prepare, and so does Oliver, this is where Oliver learns of Oracle which is referenced in S4, and Bruce encourages Oliver to get back into the game so he's ready, set it just before S4 starts, and so Oliver does know Batman is real but he knows Bruce isn't around so he's playing dumb in Elseworlds until Batwoman appears.
It would still be a thing where why isn't Batman ever mentioned in the massive crossovers on the heroes side to help out, which would have been a fun ongoing joke if they knew they would eventually get to do Batwoman or something, like every crossover Cisco or Barry are like can we call Batman? and Oliver is annoyed by them and saying he isn't real, maybe Kara then going he is on her earth, but he's also busy and really not a people person or something.
It still leaves the whole how does Batman operate for decades in todays world without becoming a known hero caught on camera, I mean over here we had a guy dubbed the Bromley Batman or as he liked to be called The Shadow, he was mentioned on numerous national TV shows and the news, and he's just a normal dude who stopped muggings and stuff, imagine an actual geezer in a full batsuit saving busses of kids from plummeting to their death...surely he had a twitter for Batman sightings and pics right?
Why? Bruce doesn't even tell the Robins when he is leaving. Not saying he had to saying it would of been or could be an interesting one shot tie in comic, and the why was to motivate Oliver into donning the hood again, not as a heads up that he's giving up being Batman, and make Batman typical in his Batman preparedness, he knows Crisis is coming fucking years before everyone else, and he doesn't need The monitor to let him know that either.
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Post by dazz on Oct 27, 2019 4:26:19 GMT
But didn't Elseworlds leave it looking like Bruce was still around just you know not around around, that makes it seem kind of odd, but even if he isn't shouldn't he have been you know brought up at some point prior to all of this? I am curious how they explain his absence as I hope he hasn't just upped and left for no reason, like I dunno maybe Bane broke his back properly this time, he's helping out some version of Rip on another issue and has had to be away for this long so Kate can assume the mantle of the Bat, you know there are reasons why he isn't around but as of yet it's just eh he gave up which seems odd. and if Batman stops being Batman before he does anything major him being remembered in the future that just doesn't make much sense imo. No, Elseworlds had it that Batman left and Kate lied saying that Bruce left soon after because the city was going to a worse hell. They'll most likely explain it on Batwoman. It's good to leave something for episodes instead of just telling you everything right away.
Why does it have to be this Batman that is remembered in the future? Again, Rip mentions Superman and there is no Superman on Earth 1. Also, watching the episode of Legends of Tomorrow when he mentions Batman. He said, "I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall." Sounds like more than one. It also sounds like a time traveler that saw events in the past.
Ok so did I just misremember her getting a message from him or Alfred at the end of her appearance in Elseworlds? coz I swear I remember that happening, and if Alfred isn't around to help he's off with Bruce in my mind.
And there is a Superman on Earth-1 like there is a Kara as established in Crisis on Earth X or whatever it was, each universe has their own version of these characters, but they may not happen in and around the same time, so Superman could and should be from the not so distant future of Earth-1, at no point has anything pointed to Rip or the legends being able to travel between multiverse.
Also Rip is from 150 years in the future anything that happens between now and then is in the past to him, then again any event he has lived through in the future is also the past to him, makes it all a bit confusing really to assume when whoever his is talking about is from without a specific date in mind, but again why would Batman be so memorable if all he did was look over Gotham from the shadows for a few decades? and given why he recruited the Legends, that they are insignificant to history from that point on why wouldn't he also recruit Batman if Batman is just going to up and retire at that same point in time?
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 27, 2019 12:15:58 GMT
But that's what makes me laugh, set it on earth 37 or 19 or whatever then after crisis who cares about the old continuity as it's all mushed together now, any discrepancies is simply due to crisis, but because they set it out as they did it's just an obvious lack of forethought on the creatives part.
How goofy is it they had the perfect out for this type of issue and fucked up utilising it?
You do know that there were other heroes around that none of them heard of, right? The Justice Society was a thing on Earth 1. Oh and about your forethought. The 1st crossover was Invasion which was in 2016. Batwoman takes place before Elseworlds which was in 2018. I'm no mathematician, but by my calculations that would mean that Batman disappeared before the major world ending crossovers started. Great point.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 27, 2019 12:16:54 GMT
Yes because in Elseworld's it was implied Batman was more a shadowy figure, but now Batwoman is telling us no he was an open hero, being seen by people as he saved them as is Batwoman apparently, Gotham actually has a bat signal they have used and Batman was an active crime fighter for atleast what 15 years possibly 20+ with many of his rogues gallery having fought him.
Elseworld's set up was a bit of a stretch but it was doable, but Batwoman has pissed all over that making the idea no one knew about Batman and he never showed up to help anyone in these crossovers ridiculous, this is why it should have been set on Earth 37 or whatever where Batman is openly operational and this backstory would not contradict the flow or continuity of the existing lore.
Then again if Batman is 20 years or so into his career so he's going to be what early to mid 40's maybe older, yet he's supposedly outside of Gotham a myth, so why is a local myth/vigilante remembered in the future alongside the Man of Steel by the likes of Rip? if his glory days are behind him and he's bailed on his mission to save Gotham at this point already why is remembered alongside Superman in the future?
This is all just such a stupid jumble of bollocks, should have just set it on Supergirl's earth and made it a thing.
No, it even said in Elseworlds that he was an open hero... in Gotham. The Bat signal was in Elseworlds. And so was his rogues gallery. Their names were on the doors at Arkham with many of their gear in storage.
I'm starting to think you just want to hate this show outright. The Legends have a time machine and they didn't help out in the Elseworlds crossover. Also, isn't Star City on the west coast of America? By the time Batman got there everything will be over.
Because Rip is from the future and has a time machine that can see into the past. Also, there is no Superman on Earth 1. So Rip can see other Earths.
You're the only one seeing a jumbled mess. Trying to find more reasons to hate on it when I'm giving you the explanations from the shows.
Another great point. I like you.
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Post by dazz on Oct 28, 2019 21:55:24 GMT
The latest episode was pretty fun, I liked they showed some growing pains with the character, though I find the whole it's not my fault the gear is messed up thing silly, like did she not practise this shit before hand? wouldn't she need to have practised with these things to know she did it right? but if she practised with these things shouldn't she have known they aren't working right? are generic batarangs like a common thing to train with in that universe? it's nothing that spoilt the episode but it was odd imo.
But man Gotham's criminals have really become pussified if Alice scares them that bad, Batman used to put people in full body casts and shit, so how is losing a finger some big thing? atleast make it gruesome like she let her dog chew the finger off or something, you know make it more psychologically damaging than that.
But I liked that Kate was struggling with the idea of the dual identity thing, not like Oliver who struggled making excuses but actually not knowing how to lie to cover for the living two lives thing, also the talking about Bruce putting on the façade of the playboy, the fact Kate never saw through it goes a way into building the Batman mythos in the show, Bruce was so good even his closest family couldn't see past the mask, I do like they are separating Batwoman and Batman, unlike Supergirl who basically made Kara a clone of Clark, Kate isn't like Bruce and that's a good thing.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 29, 2019 14:18:23 GMT
Honestly it’s a wonder that WB hasn’t tried harder to adapt the Batman family for a theatrical film. Yeah I’m sure it’s because of the stigma of the Schumacher films. But that was 20+ years ago. Seeing him team up with Robin, Batgirl, and others would be a refreshing change from the Nolan and Snyder versions.
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Post by dazz on Oct 29, 2019 14:48:00 GMT
Honestly it’s a wonder that WB hasn’t tried harder to adapt the Batman family for a theatrical film. Yeah I’m sure it’s because of the stigma of the Schumacher films. But that was 20+ years ago. Seeing him team up with Robin, Batgirl, and others would be a refreshing change from the Nolan and Snyder versions. Well when you think Nolan didn't want to do any of that and his hold on the character from development to final film lasted like a decade, had BVS & JL been successful we would have likely had Batgirl & Nightwing films slated for next year or so, it's been the bungling of the characters run in the DCEU that's had everyone all shaking like dogs shitting peach seeds as of late that's held it up, that and Matt Reeves not pulling his finger out, lazy bastard.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Nov 2, 2019 12:41:44 GMT
Don't believe the negative hype. Ruby Rose delivers the best, she has charisma and a good "badass"-type acting. Cinematography is far better than The Flash or Supergirl. Great direction too. There's the spirit of Batman in this series, and it's fairly entertaining. I love the main plot. The pilot has been a success, and second and third episodes performed very good nonetheless. Watch it if you're a Batman fan! Agreed!
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