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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 20:25:25 GMT
Don't like your heroes going through depression, huh? That’s not the issue at all, you know that. They made him a fat idiot in which his grief was a joke, not a piece of actual character development. It was awfully written and I still struggle to comprehend how it was approved. It's a joke if you take it at face value or only seen him in that movie. The guy was hurting and trying to put on a happy face about and everyone there saw it. Especially in that briefing he tried to give.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 27, 2019 21:16:51 GMT
One aspect about Thor that fails is they let him go met Thanos like a fat clown. it shows MCU has no real writing credibility. okay, fine they made him a joke but it should have been just for the first two acts of the movie. they should have cleaned him up and let him get serious again for the final battle. let him go back to that thor we met in avengers 1.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 27, 2019 21:19:30 GMT
You don't usually go to a superhero film to watch them being depressed. Imagine a serial matinee adventure with Zorro sitting around whining about his life. They have mocked Thor since the beginning--Avengers 1 for sure. Personally I think he is a really boring character in the comics but turning him into a joke doesn't help. Likewise, Captain America works better in animation:
Batman was depressed for 8 years and we saw that for 2/3 of the movie in TDKR
Xavier was depressed for 10 years, it took 2/3 of the movie to clean him up,
comments like this is why scoresese thinks MCU movies sucks and their actors do so little. superhero films can still handle real issues and take them seriously.
you don't go to mcu movies looking for any realism on depression because its a mature subject and mcu is for kiddies.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 27, 2019 21:21:26 GMT
That’s not the issue at all, you know that. They made him a fat idiot in which his grief was a joke, not a piece of actual character development. It was awfully written and I still struggle to comprehend how it was approved. It's a joke if you take it at face value or only seen him in that movie. The guy was hurting and trying to put on a happy face about and everyone there saw it. Especially in that briefing he tried to give. put on a happy face
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 27, 2019 21:29:07 GMT
Batman was depressed for 8 years and we saw that for 2/3 of the movie in TDKR
Xavier was depressed for 10 years, it took 2/3 of the movie to clean him up,
comments like this is why scoresese thinks MCU movies sucks and their actors do so little. superhero films can still handle real issues and take them seriously.
you don't go to mcu movies looking for any realism on depression because its a mature subject and mcu is for kiddies.
Batman, even the modern neurotic one, was not spending much of the movie sitting around being depressed. Sure, he wasn't as pro-active as he was in the 1940s serials changing in the back of a car, but he also didnt have super powers either. You don't expect Thor to be sitting around depressed. Sherlock Holmes was depressed but 99% of the stories are about him doing something besides being depressed.
One can watch any mortal character do that.
There's no practical story reason to have a depressed Thor except to keep him out of the story so Iron Man has more to do.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 27, 2019 21:38:44 GMT
Batman was depressed for 8 years and we saw that for 2/3 of the movie in TDKR
Xavier was depressed for 10 years, it took 2/3 of the movie to clean him up,
comments like this is why scoresese thinks MCU movies sucks and their actors do so little. superhero films can still handle real issues and take them seriously.
you don't go to mcu movies looking for any realism on depression because its a mature subject and mcu is for kiddies.
Batman, even the modern neurotic one, was not spending much of the movie sitting around being depressed. Sure, he wasn't as pro-active as he was in the 1940s serials changing in the back of a car, but he also didnt have super powers either. You don't expect Thor to be sitting around depressed. Sherlock Holmes was depressed but 99% of the stories are about him doing something besides being depressed.
One can watch any mortal character do that.
There's no practical story reason to have a depressed Thor except to keep him out of the story so Iron Man has more to do.
Or to know that there is more coming from him. He's the only one getting a titled 4th movie. And Thor was there the whole time. They didn't skimp out on him.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 27, 2019 21:45:06 GMT
Or to know that there is more coming from him. He's the only one getting a titled 4th movie. And Thor was there the whole time. They didn't skimp out on him. But they cant show him true to the comics (which is funny isn't it-people were saying how the MCU treated the characters faithfully and then along comes fat Thor).
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Post by thenolan on Oct 27, 2019 21:47:30 GMT
Batman was depressed for 8 years and we saw that for 2/3 of the movie in TDKR
Xavier was depressed for 10 years, it took 2/3 of the movie to clean him up,
comments like this is why scoresese thinks MCU movies sucks and their actors do so little. superhero films can still handle real issues and take them seriously.
you don't go to mcu movies looking for any realism on depression because its a mature subject and mcu is for kiddies.
Batman, even the modern neurotic one, was not spending much of the movie sitting around being depressed. Sure, he wasn't as pro-active as he was in the 1940s serials changing in the back of a car, but he also didnt have super powers either. You don't expect Thor to be sitting around depressed. Sherlock Holmes was depressed but 99% of the stories are about him doing something besides being depressed.
One can watch any mortal character do that.
There's no practical story reason to have a depressed Thor except to keep him out of the story so Iron Man has more to do.
depression does not mean you have to be mopey 24/7. what thor is in endgame is not depressed. its just a dumb joke we are to laugh at so we can forget he should be depressed.
the bottom line is Disney is too kiddie , they can't tackle the matter.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 27, 2019 21:50:15 GMT
the bottom line is Disney is too kiddie , they can't tackle the matter.
Which is why they should just do him old fashioned. Walt Disney would have. I don't know why children in the 40s 50s and 60s could handle it but they can't now. The prince in Sleeping Beauty wasn't depressed-no one cared.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 27, 2019 22:00:24 GMT
the bottom line is Disney is too kiddie , they can't tackle the matter.
Which is why they should just do him old fashioned. Walt Disney would have. I don't know why children in the 40s 50s and 60s could handle it but they can't now. The prince in Sleeping Beauty wasn't depressed-no one cared.
walt disney would be angry with what his company has become. his company is now too dumbed down.
if you look at the original Disney movies like bambi, Pinocchio, sleeping beauty and snow White. they were quite terrifying compared to the current cartoons and Disney movies.
When I saw kids turn into donkeys in Pinocchio I was so terrified. even now am an adult, that shit is still scary. no Disney movie even the mcu has been that terrifying. everything about Disney is not just childish to be 100% childish. Reason they always use jokes in serious moments and even their action scenes are more fun than High stakes.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 27, 2019 23:01:03 GMT
That’s not the issue at all, you know that. They made him a fat idiot in which his grief was a joke, not a piece of actual character development. It was awfully written and I still struggle to comprehend how it was approved. It's a joke if you take it at face value or only seen him in that movie. The guy was hurting and trying to put on a happy face about and everyone there saw it. Especially in that briefing he tried to give. I guess I should just stop arguing about the atrocity that is Fat Thor, because clearly it just doesn’t bother people the way it bothers me. Most people seem to like it. It was such a slap in the face to the character and so poorly handled in my opinion. If you’re going to go that route, at least make it genuinely funny or be kind of sadly touching. It was neither. It was just dumb.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 27, 2019 23:49:39 GMT
They will not redeem Fat Thor. Guaranteed. Disney execs have no desire to present a positive white male character. I'll take money bets on it. I will be proven right.
Maybe they will make him grow old overnight like Maleficent wanted in Sleeping Beauty for the prince.
But it wont be a positive ending. Not with Disney's management.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 27, 2019 23:54:58 GMT
I bet it will end with him as a crippled human. He lives out his life as a doctor like the comics but with no Thor abilities. Something like that maybe.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 28, 2019 1:12:51 GMT
It is if he goes from Fat Thor to that.
But then I think this soap opera movie series approach wasn't really worth it. It was kind of intriguing at first but Thanos was too goofy to be threatening and since I (and apparently others) didnt find themselves emotionally invested enough, the deaths didnt seem to matter. But that is true of any superhero. Not sure anyone really cares what happened to Logan despite Jackman being a sympathetic depiction.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 28, 2019 1:14:29 GMT
I don't know why children in the 40s 50s and 60s could handle it but they can't now. Really? They saw their brothers go off to war and not come back. They saw a police state firehose, loved ones go to jail, and have dogs release onto their neighbors for demanding an end to segregation. They witnessed the greatest technology achievement in the history of humankind. They could have handle fake violence coming from fake space by fake people. My dad fought in Europe during WWII. He was a real First Avenger. That was me being facetious. I mean that the executives won't do "normal" and would probably claim it is because it is bad for children (not that I believe they care about children).
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 28, 2019 1:30:33 GMT
Fine. You can save 20 bucks a pop in the future by not going to these films. Win/Win. lol $20 to be disappointed. No thanks. I don't think cine history will be kind to these films.
Pirates of the Caribbean 1 holds up ok but these are going to be studied as examples of corporate excess.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 28, 2019 1:34:39 GMT
The executives way back when had to make films to fit public decency codes. Now, they make films to fit consumer wants. Marvel may make some more edgier, sexed up movies. Disney Touchstone made movies like Con Air, Signs, and Spielberg’s Lincoln and War Horse. Disney/Hollywood Pictures made Gross Pointe Blank, Quiz Show, and The Sixth Sense. Not all executives in all studios wanted to make films that pushed the boundaries of sex and violence to children. This is a case by case basis. Walt Disney very likely did not want an R rating for Mary Poppins. The management of Disney since the mid eighties does (interestingly, when the management changed to Iger and Eisner is when it's public image started to get sour) was different. Like hiring that sex offender for POWDER.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 28, 2019 1:51:37 GMT
Maybe, if they form a separate company called Marvel Black Label or something. Well Iw as speaking of Disney in general-they did the same thing with the POTC films. In one movie Knightly isn't wearing underwear and there is a joke about looking up her dress. This was not under Touchstone but "Walt Disney Pictures."
They would be showing kids hardcore pornography and probably will eventually. But that is just another reason why these mergers are bad news.
Marvel would have been better off under a smaller company banner.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 28, 2019 2:14:09 GMT
Not all executives in all studios wanted to make films that pushed the boundaries of sex and violence to children. This is a case by case basis. Walt Disney very likely did not want an R rating for Mary Poppins. The management of Disney since the mid eighties does (interestingly, when the management changed to Iger and Eisner is when it's public image started to get sour) was different. Like hiring that sex offender for POWDER.
Maybe, if they form a separate company called Marvel Black Label or something. Just to remind you, ‘Powder’ incident (which was in 1995) happened while Eisner was in charge, so I would think twice before trusting this guy. As a matter of fact, this guy seems to believe just about every single far-right conspiracy theories and many of his posts, including some of the posts you pressed “Liked” button for, might stem from that.
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Post by sostie on Oct 28, 2019 11:39:41 GMT
Or to know that there is more coming from him. He's the only one getting a titled 4th movie. And Thor was there the whole time. They didn't skimp out on him. But they cant show him true to the comics (which is funny isn't it-people were saying how the MCU treated the characters faithfully and then along comes fat Thor).
Fat Thor...who was dealing with depression and in turn over indulged in food and booze, appeared in Guardians Of The Galaxy back in the 90s
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