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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 7:05:55 GMT
I didn't mean literally like Idris Elba's ethnicity. I mean he's Asgardian. Presumably, so is Valkyrie. It sounds redundant but if they're Asgardian, they ain't Scandinavian.
Sigh, in the comics they just aren't dark or mixed anything. They changed it. For reasons that had nothing to do with merit. All they did was deny hiring some European actors who could have used a job. This is why globalism don't work. It means less variety, not more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 16:43:26 GMT
I didn't mean literally like Idris Elba's ethnicity. I mean he's Asgardian. Presumably, so is Valkyrie. It sounds redundant but if they're Asgardian, they ain't Scandinavian.
Sigh, in the comics they just aren't dark or mixed anything. They changed it. For reasons that had nothing to do with merit. All they did was deny hiring some European actors who could have used a job. This is why globalism don't work. It means less variety, not more.
It's news to me they weren't mixed in the comics. The transition seemed seamless though. In the extraordinarily literal sense, hiring somebody for a job will always mean not hiring someone else though. I think they did a good job, a job they could have used just as much as a European actor.
Let me ask you something then. If they hired white American actors for those two roles who could pass for European, would it bother you two European actors who could have used a job lost out to two white American actors, or is being white enough to bridge the gap?
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 17:49:39 GMT
Let me ask you something then. If they hired white American actors for those two roles who could pass for European, would it bother you two European actors who could have used a job lost out to two white American actors, or is being white enough to bridge the gap?
That's a really good question. In the case of Thor I don't care since it is not a truly European traditional cultural entity--it's a New York hodge-podge, but overall I have some misgivings about how much Hollywood's international bent might reduce opportunities in the cultural stream of particular countries. Hollywood would rather pick someone from Australia than Middle America, how many superhero roles have been going to British-born actors?
I don't have a solution but I think if there were more opportunities in any particular country then even making a character black would not be so jarring because one would have lots of entertainment choices that are easily available which would provide all kinds of character depictions from white to yellow. For Disney it isn't just about sending a message, but making sure no other messages can be easily received to the public which is extremely obnoxious.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 29, 2019 21:44:18 GMT
Another complain:
The final battle lacked of a definitive "Iron Man" moment where Iron Man kicked ass. IMHO. Cap stole the thunder, this time.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 29, 2019 21:47:28 GMT
Or to know that there is more coming from him. He's the only one getting a titled 4th movie. And Thor was there the whole time. They didn't skimp out on him. But they cant show him true to the comics (which is funny isn't it-people were saying how the MCU treated the characters faithfully and then along comes fat Thor).
Umm...
All it takes is a Google search to see that fat Thor was a thing in the comics.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 21:48:28 GMT
Umm...
All it takes is a Google search to see that fat Thor was a thing in the comics.
As there been a fat Black Panther? I am going to guess no.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 29, 2019 21:50:32 GMT
It's a joke if you take it at face value or only seen him in that movie. The guy was hurting and trying to put on a happy face about and everyone there saw it. Especially in that briefing he tried to give. I guess I should just stop arguing about the atrocity that is Fat Thor, because clearly it just doesn’t bother people the way it bothers me. Most people seem to like it. It was such a slap in the face to the character and so poorly handled in my opinion. If you’re going to go that route, at least make it genuinely funny or be kind of sadly touching. It was neither. It was just dumb. Sadly touching... yes.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 29, 2019 21:51:19 GMT
Umm...
All it takes is a Google search to see that fat Thor was a thing in the comics.
As there been a fat Black Panther? I am going to guess no.
Was there one in the movies?
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 21:55:55 GMT
Was there one in the movies? Was there a black Heimdall in the comics?
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 21:57:24 GMT
And maybe I missed it, but if faithfulness to the comics is priority no. 1, where's Dr Blake?
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 29, 2019 21:57:45 GMT
Was there one in the movies? Was there a black Heimdall in the comics? What does that have to do with a fat Black Panther?
Also... Yes.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 22:02:03 GMT
What does that have to do with a fat Black Panther? You replied with "was there a fat Black Panther in the movies" which seemed to indicate you believed the movies were following the comics closely--but we know that isn't true. They changed characters like Heimdall and Valkyrie and didnt have Dr Blake even though he was part of the origin.
I asked if Black Panther ever got fat and depressed. I assume not because it isn't PC.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 22:06:16 GMT
I meant in the 1960s or 70s or 80s or 90s. Not like right before the movie came out.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 29, 2019 22:09:53 GMT
And maybe I missed it, but if faithfulness to the comics is priority no. 1, where's Dr Blake? Didn't he "disguise" himself as Blake? Also, Odin created Blake out of Thor. So Thor becoming mortal and disguising himself as Blake for a short time is close to that without him doing a Clark Kent.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 29, 2019 22:15:49 GMT
I meant in the 1960s or 70s or 80s or 90s. Not like right before the movie came out.
You don't get to make that distinction. That's like saying they can't make a movie using a story in the comics after 1999.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 29, 2019 23:00:09 GMT
I guess I should just stop arguing about the atrocity that is Fat Thor, because clearly it just doesn’t bother people the way it bothers me. Most people seem to like it. It was such a slap in the face to the character and so poorly handled in my opinion. If you’re going to go that route, at least make it genuinely funny or be kind of sadly touching. It was neither. It was just dumb. Sadly touching... yes.
Yeah that definitely doesn’t qualify.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 29, 2019 23:20:27 GMT
You don't get to make that distinction. That's like saying they can't make a movie using a story in the comics after 1999. Yeah but when others were saying how faithful the MCU was to the comics, they opened the Pandora's box on those comparisons. When did Thor disguise himself as Blake in the movies. I dont remember. I remember something like that in the Hulk tv movie from 1989.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 30, 2019 7:16:54 GMT
The movies are informed by the comics, but don’t necessarily follow the same narratives. This is no different than the in books themselves as different teams come in to reboot the characters every so many years. Got to keep it fresh. Yeah but in this case you have an element of political message being used to dictate. They don't think: how can we make Thor exciting to adventure movie fans? They think: a white male like that has to be shown in a bad light because the alternative might promote toxic masculinity. This is why most of the white Marvel characters had various hang ups. Captain America was neurotic, Spider-man was always failing etc. And it's also why Conan the barbarian was so popular. He was not like that. He was successful.
Success in a comic book story is usually more fun than failure. Strength is more suited to the genre than weakness etc.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 30, 2019 8:54:46 GMT
MCU fanbots are still defending fat thor. do you guys know its the fact that thor is joke. its not the fact that he is fat. spiderman got fat in into the spiderverse after the divorce from MJ. Only thing is he is not a joke in spiderverse.
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Post by sostie on Oct 30, 2019 9:38:49 GMT
The movies are informed by the comics, but don’t necessarily follow the same narratives. This is no different than the in books themselves as different teams come in to reboot the characters every so many years. Got to keep it fresh. Yeah but in this case you have an element of political message being used to dictate. They don't think: how can we make Thor exciting to adventure movie fans? They think: a white male like that has to be shown in a bad light because the alternative might promote toxic masculinity. This is why most of the white Marvel characters had various hang ups. Captain America was neurotic, Spider-man was always failing etc. And it's also why Conan the barbarian was so popular. He was not like that. He was successful.
Success in a comic book story is usually more fun than failure. Strength is more suited to the genre than weakness etc.
You see a "political message"...most proabably see characters with human traits, characteristics and weaknesses...its what famously differentiated Marvel Comics from DC comics since the 60s.
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