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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 30, 2019 10:18:43 GMT
You don't get to make that distinction. That's like saying they can't make a movie using a story in the comics after 1999. Yeah but when others were saying how faithful the MCU was to the comics, they opened the Pandora's box on those comparisons. When did Thor disguise himself as Blake in the movies. I dont remember. I remember something like that in the Hulk tv movie from 1989.
When he and Selvig had to get on the SHIELD base.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 30, 2019 10:22:18 GMT
Yeah that definitely doesn’t qualify. You saying when he has a heart to heart talk with his dead mom, then finds out he is still worthy by calling the hammer to him is not sadly touching? The guy has been through the shit.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 30, 2019 12:30:24 GMT
Yeah that definitely doesn’t qualify. You saying when he has a heart to heart talk with his dead mom, then finds out he is still worthy by calling the hammer to him is not sadly touching? The guy has been through the shit. A heart to heart talk with his mum is sadly overshadowed because he was a joke so the set up is weak.
there is a similar scene from DOFP. when xavier had a heart to heart talk with his future self, the only difference is we buy that xavier is depressed and needs to be inspired, we don't buy it with thor because he is a joke for the most part. also, the avengers are too busy enjoying their so called time travel heist adventure where its more fun than real stakes.
fat thor fails to compare to this similar movie. there is set up here because xavier's character creates the tone for it. thor being a clone hurts the tone.
its called mature writing that Endgame is so needing off. Endgame only works as a kids movie.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 30, 2019 12:32:30 GMT
Yeah but in this case you have an element of political message being used to dictate. They don't think: how can we make Thor exciting to adventure movie fans? They think: a white male like that has to be shown in a bad light because the alternative might promote toxic masculinity. This is why most of the white Marvel characters had various hang ups. Captain America was neurotic, Spider-man was always failing etc. And it's also why Conan the barbarian was so popular. He was not like that. He was successful.
Success in a comic book story is usually more fun than failure. Strength is more suited to the genre than weakness etc.
You see a "political message"...most proabably see characters with human traits, characteristics and weaknesses...its what famously differentiated Marvel Comics from DC comics since the 60s. Until the 2010s when Disney bought marvel and destroyed it. now it is DC with the political message, human traits, characteristics and weaknesses.
marvel now is for Disney to advertise theme parks.
Scorsese does not see this shit in mcu movies.
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Post by sostie on Oct 30, 2019 12:41:20 GMT
You see a "political message"...most proabably see characters with human traits, characteristics and weaknesses...its what famously differentiated Marvel Comics from DC comics since the 60s.
Scorsese does not see this shit in mcu movies.
Scorsese doesn't see these movies full stop. He said he hasn't seen them. And he is not saying he likes non MCU films either. You really should read things more carefulyy. We don't want you do go through the Captain Marvel breakdown/debacle agin do we?
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Post by sostie on Oct 30, 2019 12:47:05 GMT
You see a "political message"...most proabably see characters with human traits, characteristics and weaknesses...its what famously differentiated Marvel Comics from DC comics since the 60s. Until the 2010s when Disney bought marvel and destroyed it. So did Disney destroy your beloved X-Men films...or the Sony films...ALL Marvel Entertainments films, which is owned by Disney
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 30, 2019 14:36:49 GMT
You see a "political message"...most proabably see characters with human traits, characteristics and weaknesses...its what famously differentiated Marvel Comics from DC comics since the 60s. Yeah but John Buscema did not make them look like wimps, and Marvel said it's action scenes were uniquely exciting. A super hero---"super" it means superior, greater, over, more than ordinary. Thus the contradiction. A guy fat from depression is a contradiction.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 30, 2019 16:41:53 GMT
Yeah that definitely doesn’t qualify. You saying when he has a heart to heart talk with his dead mom, then finds out he is still worthy by calling the hammer to him is not sadly touching? The guy has been through the shit. It’s neither sad nor touching. It’s played for laughs in most parts, then turns into poorly written melodrama (which the MCU was usually pretty good at avoiding up to this point).
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 30, 2019 20:07:21 GMT
Is it me or the holographic post-mortem message of Tony felt too much "redundant", corny and Disney-like?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 7:09:38 GMT
You see a "political message"...most proabably see characters with human traits, characteristics and weaknesses...its what famously differentiated Marvel Comics from DC comics since the 60s. Until the 2010s when Disney bought marvel and destroyed it. now it is DC with the political message, human traits, characteristics and weaknesses.
marvel now is for Disney to advertise theme parks.
Scorsese does not see this shit in mcu movies.
I feel like Christopher Nolan would be embarrassed if he knew he had someone like you as one of his fans.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 7, 2019 15:31:30 GMT
Until the 2010s when Disney bought marvel and destroyed it. now it is DC with the political message, human traits, characteristics and weaknesses.
marvel now is for Disney to advertise theme parks.
Scorsese does not see this shit in mcu movies.
I feel like Christopher Nolan would be embarrassed if he knew he had someone like you as one of his fans. I don't think he knows what Scorsese meant by calling these movies theme parks.
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